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At 12:15 AM 7/21/96 PDT, you wrote:
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>Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,soc.history,alt.bonehead.matt-giwer
>Subject: Eight Questions Matt Giwer won't answer (Round 6)
>Summary: A collection of some of Matt Giwer's best examples
>         of the Holocaust denial mindset, with accompanying
>         questions that he refuses to answer.
>X-Giwer: http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/g/giwer.matt/
>X-Random-Lie: http://www.almanac.bc.ca/cgi-bin/random-giwer-lie.pl
>
>Archive/File: people/g/giwer.matt/giwer-10q
>Last-Modified: 1996/07/17
>
>"He who makes a claim bears the responsibility 
>                                   of supporting it." (Matt Giwer)
>
>Question 1 [February 1996]
>--------------------------
>
>   Mr. Giwer, during the course of discussions in February, 1996,
>   in which you performed some truly amazing mental gymnastics in
>   a futile attempt to confuse everyone, you made the following
>   statement:
>
>      Perhaps he is in league with the revisionists at Yad Vashem
>      who reduced the official number from 6 million to a bit over 
>      3 million. (Giwer, The 4-Million)
>
>   In subsequent follow-up articles on the same general topic,
>   that is, the number of Jewish victims to the Holocaust, you
>   were repeatedly asked to support this claim with
>   documentation. You have not, and will not, do this, since 
>   the statement you made is an outright lie; however, for the
>   record, Mr. Giwer, when will you produce documentation,
>   from Yad Vashem, in support of your assertion?
>
>Question 2 [February 1996]
>--------------------------
>
>   Also, in February of 1996, you claimed that since the United Nations
>   did not come into existence until 1945 that reference to the United
>   Nations could not have occured in 1944:
>
>	In August 1944 (fourty FOUR) how could the United Nations have
>	regarded him as anything when it would not even come into existence
>	until 15 months later? (Giwer, Re: Jewish Census)
>
>   Are you now prepared to retract that question in light of the fact
>   that you have been presented evidence that term "United Nations" was 
>   used as early as 1942? 
>
>Question 3 [February 1996]
>--------------------------
>
>   On February 7, 1996 you made the following comment in reference to
>   the atrocities committed by the Khmer Rouge:
>
>        I was paying attention at the time and not once did I notice any
>	Jewish group protesting ouside of the Cambodian Embassy and I was
>	living in the DC area at the time, Fairfax County, Virginia to be
>	specific.  (Giwer, Re: INTERNET FREE SPEECH WEB SITE ! (this
>	one's not a troll))
>
>   Could you please specify the location of the Cambodian embassy to the
>   United States at the time of the Khmer Rouge. After you discover that 
>   you are unable to do this, will you instead explain why you lied?
>
>Question 4 [February 1996]
>--------------------------
>
>   On February 22, 1996 you made some rather interesting comments on the
>   production of "HCN" from burning atmospheric nitrogen:
>
>        It appears you are unaware the CN is a by product of incomplete
>	combustion.  You see, you take a carbon based fuel and air which
>	contains more nitrogen than oxygen and also supports combustion but
>	at a higher temperature and you get a fractional production of CN
>	as well as CO and a mess of other things.  With enough oxygen and
>	good design you will get all CO2 as the result.  And of course if
>	you have ever paying any attention to the causes of smog you know one
>	of them nitrogen compounds emitted as gases.  Do you think there is
>	some way to prevent carbon from being included among those compounds?
>        Of course there is a resident chemist here to confirm or deny this so
>	lets wait for his commentary.
>
>	...
>
>	Yes, Virginia, there is nitrogen in the atomsphere and yes , Virginia,
>	it does burn. (Giwer, Re: Open Gallon of Paint - paint one door -
>	throw the rest away)
>
>   Since you are a qualified chemist, perhaps you can explain how
>   burning nitrogen results in reducing it rather than oxidizing it.
>   Yes, we know that in fuel lean conditions that N2 is oxidized to NO and
>   NO2 and that these species are an important component of photochemical
>   smog.  Yes, we agree that it is possible under fuel rich conditions that
>   coal containing nitrogen could produce some uncombusted cyanides.
>   The part that's really difficult to understand is how atmospheric N2
>   enters into the production of cyanides.  Please be so kind as to
>   explain.
>
>Question 5
>----------
>
>   You have asserted that eyewitnesses to gassings have noted that
>   the victims took "tens of minutes" to die, and you claim that
>   this assertion contradicts your other assertion that Zyklon B
>   would have killed them more quickly.
>    
>   Here is the relevant excerpt from what you wrote:
>
>      For a moment there I thought had a way to salvage those stories
>      that talk about the screaming going on for tens of minutes.
>       
>          After a few minutes there was silence. After some time had
>          passed, it may have been ten to fifteen minutes, the gas
>          chamber was opened.
>       
>      Note the ten to fifteen minutes. (Giwer, Re: the mechanism of
>      hydrogen cyanide inhalation poisoning)
>    
>   Mr. Giwer, does the "ten to fifteen minutes" in the text you
>   quoted (See URL 
>   http://www.almanac.bc.ca/faqs/auschwitz/auschwitz-faq-06.html) 
>   refer to the time that the screaming went on -- i.e. before
>   the silence -- or does it refer to something else?
>    
>   If it refers to something else, do you still stand by your
>   statement that:
>
>      ...I am the only one who has read what people keep saying I
>      should read. (Ibid.)
>
>Question Six [June 1996]
>------------------------
>
>   You have written, of late, the following comments regarding
>   the number of Holocaust victims:
>
>      6,000,000 are a tragedy, the other 6,000,000 a footnote.
>
>    and ...
>
>      To the Holocaust museum folks the other 6 million are 
>      the footnote.
>
>   Daniel Mittleman responded to these comments with the 
>   following:
>
>   "Below ... is the Mission Statement of the Holocaust Museum.
>   (http://www.ushmm.org/misc-bin/add_goback/mission.html)
>   Please note in particular the second paragraph.  The reader can 
>   determine for himself whether or not Mr. Giwer's charge that 
>   'the other six million are a footnote' is accurate:
>
>      "Mission Statement
>
>      The United States Holocaust Memorial Museum is America's 
>      national institution for the documentation, study, and 
>      interpretation of Holocaust history, and serves as this 
>      country's memorial to the millions of people murdered during 
>      the Holocaust.
>
>      The Holocaust was the state-sponsored, systematic persecution 
>      and annihilation of European Jewry by Nazi Germany and its 
>      collaborators between 1933 and 1945. Jews were the primary 
>      victims --- six million were murdered; Gypsies, the handicapped, 
>      and Poles were also targeted for destruction or decimation for 
>      racial, ethnic, or national reasons.  Millions more, including 
>      homosexuals, Jehovah's Witnesses, Soviet prisoners of war, and 
>      political dissidents also suffered grievous oppression and 
>      death under Nazi tyranny." (Mittleman, Both Sides)
>
>   Mr. Giwer, please explain why you lied about the United States 
>   Holocaust Memorial Museum's purpose and viewpoint.
>
>Question Seven
>--------------
>
>   On June 15, 1996, you stated that:
>
>      "In the process of burning the two bones most likely 
>      to be left are the pelvis and the skull. (Giwer, Dem bones, 
>      dem bones, dem dry bones)
>
>   In response to subsequent questioning about the truth of this 
>   statement, you have made some claims about the human skeleton 
>   which, if true, would set the science of human skeletal biology 
>   on its ear, bones and all.  
>
>   In reply to a poster who asked you how many bones there are in 
>   the human skull and pelvis, you wrote:
>
>      "The skull, two in an adult, counting the jaw, discounting 
>      the six small bones in the ear.  The pelvis, one.  (Giwer; 
>      Re: Dem bones, dem bones, dem dry bones;  June 16, 1996)
>
>   When questioned about the accuracy of your answer by a poster 
>   who pointed out that the skull consists of several bones, 
>   you replied:
>
>      "You are talking about the skull of a child before the 
>      skull is fused.  (Giwer; Re: Dem bones, dem bones, dem dry 
>      bones; June 18, 1996)
>
>   In response to this, another poster repeatedly asked you what 
>   degree of closure (or fusion, if you prefer) there is in the 
>   lambdoidal, sagittal and coronal sutures of the human cranium, 
>   on average, by age 35.  She pointed out that these are the major 
>   sutures of the cranial vault (skull), and cited human skeletal 
>   anatomy texts in which the answer could be found.
>
>   Your final statement related to this matter was reiteration of 
>   your original claim:
>
>      "The fact remains that the pelvis and the skull are the bones 
>      most likely to survive any form of cremation and the skull is 
>      never mentioned by those so-called eyewitnesses. (Giwer; Re: 
>      Dem bones, dem bones, dem dry bones; June 22, 1996)
>
>   As a qualified scientist perhaps you would answer the question 
>   about when and how completely the different bones of the skull 
>   fuse together.  We know that in normal burial, the adult skull 
>   remains intact.  But we also know that the skull consists of a 
>   number of bones, and that fusion of these different bones into 
>   a single mass remains incomplete well into adulthood.  Please 
>   address the question related to closure and then explain why you 
>   think that after cremation, intact skulls should have been 
>   recovered and easily identified among the ashes removed from 
>   crematoria.
>
>Question Eight 
>--------------
>
>   On  July 10, 1996, you included the following assertion in
>   an article which you published in alt.revisionism:
>	
>      "McVay is a self aggrandizing fool who permits hired 
>      underlings to speak for him while he refuses to speak 
>      for himself." (Giwer, Re: Who would be Gannon?)
>
>  Please identify these "hired underlings" or admit that you
>  lied, apologize, and retract the statement.
>
>For Work Cited, see
>http://www.almanac.bc.ca/cgi-bin/ftp.pl?people/g/giwer.matt/giwer-10q-citations
>
>
>

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