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"Ian MacLure"  wrote in message 
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> "ElParedon"  wrote in
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>    [snip]
>
>> "It's only natural as you get towards the end of the second term that
>> people are going to be moving on," he said. "The secretary understands."
>
>    It must really tick you off that Republicans have actual
>    job skills for which employers are willing to pay.
>
>    IBM
Especially Dov Zakheim the designer of 911 




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"Tilly"  wrote in message news:f16dcn$qef$1@aioe.org...
> NefeshBarYochai wrote:
>> On Apr 30, 6:17 pm, "ElParedon"  wrote:
>> > Clio Gagged" is a recent article by that intrepid Jewish writer,
>> > Israel Shamir, a man I believe to be the most courageous and
>> > intellectually honest Jew in the world. Shamir, an Israeli former
>> > member of the IDF, has dared to present the other side of the
>> > Jewish-Gentile conflict.
>
> Nigel Parry who runs 'The Electronic Intifada exposes Israel Shamir:
>
>
> In late 2000/early 2001, in the period following the beginning of the 
> second
> Palestinian Intifada, articles began appearing on the Internet by a
> previously unknown Israeli-Russian writer called "Israel Shamir". With a
> powerful command of the English language, compelling anecdotes, dramatic
> metaphors, and a spirited opposition to the Israel's military occupation,
> Shamir was rapidly and warmly accepted into the pro-Palestinian activist
> scene, and by Spring 2001 had embarked on a speaking tour of the United
> States, speaking at many public events alongside leading lights of the
> Palestinian scene.
>
> As his articles kept coming, however, an increasing amount of the tone and
> content was observed by more than a few to fall into what could -- if this
> hadn't been an Israeli Jew writing it -- best be described as a classic
> anti-Semitic repertoire. Shamir's identity as a Jew initially enabled 
> people
> to excuse this, until the whole mess began to unravel as more and more
> questions were asked. Eventually, these questions began to be answered, 
> and
> the issue errupted into a controversy. This page is an archive for some of
> the material that circulated, and is offered to the Palestinian community 
> in
> particular as a warning to check the backgrounds and content of the 
> message
> of people who claim to speak on their behalf. However worthy the cause, 
> the
> end does not justify the means.
>
> Nigel Parry
>
>
> http://www.nigelparry.com/issues/shamir/
>
>
> Israel Shamir exposed:
>
>
> Thursday, April 07, 2005
>
> London Times Exposes Columnist "Israel Shamir" as a Swedish neo-Nazi

AT LEAST YOU ADMIT THAT MANY JEWS ARE NAZIS BY PROFESSION 




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"Tilly"  wrote in message news:f16di9$r0v$1@aioe.org...
> NefeshBarYochai wrote:
>> On Apr 30, 6:17 pm, "ElParedon"  wrote:
>> > Clio Gagged" is a recent article by that intrepid Jewish writer,
>> > Israel Shamir, a man I believe to be the most courageous and
>> > intellectually honest Jew in the world. Shamir, an Israeli former
>> > member of the IDF, has dared to present the other side of the
>> > Jewish-Gentile conflict. In a media saturated by Jewish power, only
>> > one position on this conflict is permitted: Jews are always
>> > innocent, Gentiles are always guilty. Anything else other than this
>> > simple polemic is deemed anti-Semitism. In truth, since the Jewish
>> > sojourn in Egypt, through Roman occupation of Jerusalem, the
>> > Babylonian Capitivity, their Middle ages presence in Eastern and
>> > Central Europe, to the present modern state of Israel, Jewish
>> > ideology and power has been far more chauvinist, intolerant,
>> > hateful and ultimately murderous than that of their antagonists. As
>> > my book, JEWISH SUPREMACISM shows, no major writing on Earth comes
>> > close to the ethnic supremacism and hatred of the Talmud.
>> > Obviously, as a person of Jewish descent, Shamir has no wish for
>> > reciprocal hatred or harm to fall upon the Jewish people. As a
>> > person of European descent, neither do I, but I am committed to
>> > exposing and defending my people from the threat of Jewish
>> > supremacism. Shamir, perhaps Quixote-like, seeks a new path for the
>> > Jewish people, one that seems an unlikely development in a Jewish
>> > extremist power structure that has refined and fortified itself for
>> > 3000 years. One thing that Shamir and I know is that Jewish
>> > Supremacism poses a great threat to the heritage and freedom of the
>> > European people, and indeed to all peoples on Earth. It has led not
>> > only to the ethnic cleansing and barbarous oppression of the people
>> > of Palestine, its media occupation in America and Europe have
>> > undermined every worthy tradition and morality of the culture of
>> > the West, its political power has led to the opening of America and
>> > Europe to invasion. It is why American treasure and blood are shed
>> > in the sands of Iraq and Afghanistan, and it leads us to a possible
>> > apocalypse against Iran. Shamir is not only brilliant in his ideas,
>> > but his knowledge and literary ability make his articles a joy and
>> > marvel to read. Read and learn!
>>
>
> Why do you insist on posting stuff from Israel Shamir who isn't an 
> Israeli,
> isn't Jewish and is a proven fraud? Even the Palestinian Intifada says he 
> is
> a fraud.
 HE IS A JEW, ISN'T HE?  HE IS ENTITLED TO BE HEARD ON THE JEWISH GROUP AS 
MUCH AS ANY OF YOU TORTURERS 




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"DoD"  wrote in message 
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>> What does Israel want? Phyllis Bennis
>
> To be left alone.
 IS THAT WHY THEY SLAUGHTERED 1,300 LEBANESE JUST RECENTLY? 




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"DoD"  wrote in message 
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> "Cazador"  wrote in message
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>> On Apr 30, 12:07 pm, "DoD"  wrote:
>> > "torresdD"  wrote in message
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>> > news:bhpZh.10174$3P3.10082@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>> >
>> > > What does Israel want? Phyllis Bennis
>> >
>> > To be left alone.
>>
>> Do you suppose that it would enhance America's chances of "being left
>> alone" if we occupied Mexico or Canada militarily for forty years
>> while setting up hundreds of fortified regions like a small pox
>> epidemic all over their country to protect American "settlers" from
>> the dispossessed natives? What you mean, DoD, is that you want Israel
>> to be left alone in oder to be able to digest her West Bank and Golan
>> spoils.
>
> Here is a quarter, now beat it kid, ya bother me.
 FIGURES! FUCKING JEW PIG!z 




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  George Bush has insulted America in Iraq. I would like to say the American 
troops are humiliated in Iraq. Your troops are crying in the streets of 
Iraq, and they are defeated. Bush is lying to you. The number of American 
casualties exceeds the announced number by thousands. The real number is so 
much higher: Interview with Senior Ba'ath Party Member and Iraq's National 
Resistance.


Thank you , Dahr Jamail for consistently digging beneath the Cheney/Bush 
smokescreen of deception and spin and siphoning out the truth ~ The Iraqi 
Resistance fighters are freedom fighters to their fellow occupied Iraqi's 
and their numbers are growing every day.
If I were an Iraqi, as I am an American, while a foreign troop was landed in 
my country, I never would lay down my arms ! ~ Never! Never! Never !
In this case, he interviews a leader of the Iraqi National Resistance 
Movement who provides a verification of what myself and many other bloggers 
have been saying for months ~ if not years.
Everyday this Resistance movement is gaining in strength and will not stop 
until Bush takes his hand out of the Iraq Monkey ( OIL ) Jar and leaves 
gracefully or in humiliation.
Excerpt: DJ: What message would you like to give the Bush administration? 
AM: The American administration is full of criminals and liars. They have to 
respect the rights of the Iraqis. We will charge them in international court 
for what they have done in Iraq and they should have to admit their fault in 
front of the whole world as well as the American people. They should not lie 
anymore and they should be rational and withdraw their troops.
Allen L Roland http://blogs.salon.com/0002255/2007/04/30.html

Interview with Senior Ba'ath Party Member
by Dahr Jamail http://www.rense.com/general76/grdand.htm
On Sunday April 15th I interviewed a high ranking member of Iraq?s Ba?ath 
Party in Damascus, Syria. Like many senior party members, he lives in exile 
in Syria, and spoke on condition of anonymity by asking to be referred to as 
Abu Mohammed. The following is an exclusive interview:

Dahr Jamail: Please tell me a little about your position.

Abu Mohammed: I am a representative of the Ba'ath Party and Iraq's National 
Resistance.

DJ: Western corporate media portrays most of the violence in Iraq as if it 
is the Iraqis who are killing each other with suicide car bombs in markets, 
etc. What is your opinion of Iraqi on Iraqi violence?

AM: As a matter of fact, since the beginning of the occupation, the Iraqi 
resistance has been doing their operations only against American troops and 
their allies. Iraqis killing each other and civilians dying is the fault of 
the invaders because there are too many parties and all these parties formed 
militias. Some of these are supported by the Americans, some by the 
Zionists, and some by the Iranians. But the job of the Iraqi resistance is 
to get rid of the American occupation and they are not killing civilians.

DJ: Then who is responsible for killing the civilians?

AM: The militias and invaders. The occupation forces and militias sponsored 
by the Americans, the militias backed by the Americans, Zionists, and 
Iranians. The goal from this is to make the resistance appear bad, as well 
as simply to kill Iraqis.

DJ: Friends I know in Baquba say the resistance is fighting Al-Qaeda there. 
Is this happening in Al-Anbar province as well?

AM: Al-Qaeda was not in Iraq before the invasion, nor their allies. Al-Qaeda 
started their work in Iraq after the invasion. As Ba'athists, we look at 
Al-Qaeda as different-they have different strategies, beliefs and tactics, 
it?s all different. Al-Qaeda aims to follow the Americans and kill them 
anywhere in the world. The Iraqi resistance only kills American troops in 
Iraq-so this is an important difference between us.

DJ: American leaders claim they have had talks with the Iraqi resistance. Is 
this true?

AM: The American administration and the American troops are getting used to 
lies. They invaded Iraq, they looted Iraq, they killed Iraqis and all of 
this was based on lies. They took the former government to a court and 
judged them and executed them and all of this was based on lies and 
illegalities. The invasion itself was based on weapons of mass destruction, 
and relations with Al-Qaeda - then it turns out there are no weapons of mass 
destruction and no relations with Al-Qaeda, so they were both lies. The 
Americans having negotiations with the resistance is also a lie. Up to now 
we?ve seen no move towards negotiations with the resistance about Iraq's 
rights. If the Americans want to get out of Iraq and save face, they have to 
negotiate with the resistance and Ba'ath Party leaders in order to negotiate 
Iraq?s rights.

DJ: Why do you think they have to negotiate with Ba?ath Party leaders?

AM: They won't negotiate with the Ba'ath Party because the Ba'ath Party and 
our resistance is the main branch of resistance in Iraq. Nevertheless there 
are other resistance groups in Iraq that we do respect. The resistance we're 
talking about is the Ba'ath party members' resistance and other groups as 
well. If the Americans wanted to negotiate with the resistance they can 
negotiate with any group they want that represents the resistance.

DJ: What exactly is the Iraqi resistance? What are they comprised of?

AM: The Iraqi resistance is a patriotic resistance by the Iraqis. It has 
many groups from many sects of Islam and it's not exclusively in one area of 
Iraq. There are so many parts of the resistance. Some are Ba?athists, some 
are Islamists. We hope that the next government will be democratic and 
include all the sectors and sects of society because the new government 
should be of one sharing government.

DJ: Who is funding and arming the Iraqi resistance?

AM: In Iraq there are so many weapons. The Ba'ath provided enough to fight 
for the next 15 years. About funding, Iraq is a rich country with many rich 
people, so we can get the funding from inside of Iraq.

DJ: What are the demands of the Iraqi resistance?

AM: We declare liberation and independence. We do not have demands. We have 
rights. We want Iraq?s rights. Our demand is to give back Iraq's rights. The 
rights of our people include the following:

1. All parts of the Iraqi resistance should be the exclusive representatives 
for Iraqis.
2. An immediate withdrawal of American forces without conditions.
3. Full compensation for both Iraq and Iraqis for those who have been killed 
since the sanctions starting in 1991 until now. During the sanctions, 1.7 
million Iraqis were killed. And according to the Lancet report, 655,000 have 
been killed, and by now possibly even one million.
4. The release of everyone in prisons.
5. Canceling all the current political procedures and all the 100 Bremer 
Orders legislation done during the Iraqi Governing Council because according 
to international law, it is illegal to make any political and legislative 
action while the country is under occupation.
6. Canceling the UN legislation that has been passed since the sanctions.
7. Putting all the traitors, those who betrayed Iraq, and those who are 
allies of the Americans into trials.

These are the rights of the country and if the Americans and their allies 
respect these rights, we can sit together. Not to negotiate these rights, 
but to plan the withdrawal and discuss the implementation of these rights. 
Also, the resistance will go on no matter how long it takes or how much it 
costs, until there is a withdrawal.

DJ: What do you think the solution is to the crisis in Iraq?

AM: This is the only solution we have.

DJ: How do you think the Americans are going to leave Iraq?

AM: I've mentioned before that they have two ways. The first way is to 
respect Iraq's rights, and to sit with the Ba?ath party and the resistance 
and resistance leaders to implement these rights. Then we will allow them to 
go out with whatever is left of their troops, and with saving some face. The 
second way is the resistance will continue until they withdraw, and they 
will not save face.

.DJ: What is the strategy of the Iraqi resistance towards Iran?

AM: The resistance strategy against Iran is to liberate Iraq not only from 
the Americans but to liberate Iraq from the sectarian intruders of Iraq and 
the separation and extortion that the occupation created. We are aiming for 
a deep and radical liberation of Iraq.

DJ: What is your opinion of the role of the UN, Arab League, and neighboring 
countries?

AM: This role will be summarized by them giving humanitarian support to 
Iraqis after the withdrawal of the Americans.

DJ: Who is responsible for the attacks against occupation forces in the 
south?

AM: The resistance is spread all over Iraq, from the north to the south. The 
resistance in the south against the British army is a pure Iraqi resistance 
that includes the jihadi resistance and some Ba?ath party leaders.

DJ: Is the majority of the Iraqi resistance from the former army?

AM: Most of the resistance are former Iraqi Army military.

DJ: What are your comments on the growing conflict between the Shia and 
Sunni in Iraq?

AM: The truth is that the so-called conflict between the Shia and Sunni is 
not something real. It is due to political goals. Shia, Sunni and Kurds have 
been living in Iraq for over a thousand years together and there have not 
been conflicts such as these we see today. This conflict is growing because 
of the invaders. And when the occupiers, invaders and their allies withdraw 
>from Iraq this conflict will end.

DJ: What message would you like to give to the people of the U.S.?

AM: George Bush has insulted America in Iraq. I would like to say the 
American troops are humiliated in Iraq. Your troops are crying in the 
streets of Iraq, and they are defeated. Bush is lying to you. The number of 
American casualties exceeds the announced number by thousands. The real 
number is so much higher. This is my message. And I would like to ask them 
to push their government to withdrawal from Iraq, otherwise they will be 
annihilated. I would also like to say that they have to respect our rights. 
If they withdrawal by the aforementioned plans, we can say we do not hate 
the Americans and we are willing to have good relations with America and her 
allies.

DJ: What message would you like to give the Bush administration?

AM: The American administration is full of criminals and liars. They have to 
respect the rights of the Iraqis. We will charge them in international court 
for what they have done in Iraq and they should have to admit their fault in 
front of the whole world as well as the American people. They should not lie 
anymore and they should be rational and withdraw their troops.

OpEdNews columnist Allen L Roland is available for comments & interviews. 
( allen@allenroland.com )

Allen L Roland is a practicing psychotherapist, author and lecturer who also 
shares a daily political and social commentary on his weblog and website . 
He also guest hosts a monthly national radio show TRUTHTALK on CONSCIOUS 
TALK RADIO. 




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IF BIN BUSH KILLS BIN OSAMA, BIN ADAM PEARLMAN IS WAITING IN THE WINGS TO 
TAKE AL QAEDA OVER! 




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 wrote in message 
news:1178019990.820711.254120@y5g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
> On May 1, 4:31 am, "Jason P."  wrote:
>> - In the year 1948, when the state of Israel was established and
>> claimed as the national homeland of Jews, the new Israeli government
>> and its defense forces were built up by using the members of the
>> dismantled terrorist gangs of Haganah and Stern and many other
>> notorious Zionist gangs who have helped in enforcing Jewish
>> settlements in Palestine..
>
> As opposed to the Palestine Arabs' Arab Army of Liberation, which was
> comprised of such noble stalwarts as the Muslims vets of the all-
> Muslim Waffen-SS legions

THAT IS A LAUGH!
BUT DON'T WORRY, IF BIN BUSH KILLS BIN OSAMA, BIN ADAM PEARLMAN WILL BE THE 
NEW AL QAEDA LEADER! 




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117 Coalition Forces killed in Iraq in April
By: Zoraida on: 01.05.2007 [16:44 ] (52 reads)
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''APRIL is the cruellest month, breeding
Lilacs out of the dead land, mixing
Memory and desire, stirring
Dull roots with spring rain.
Winter kept us warm, covering
Earth in forgetful snow, feeding
A little life with dried tubers''.

T.S. Eliot (1888-1965). The Waste Land. 1922.

In april are killed in Iraq over 104 US soldiers, 12 British Soldiers
and 1 polish = 117



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From: Venceremos 
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On May 1, 9:15 am, Ariel  wrote:
> On May 1, 6:58 am, "ElParedon"  wrote:
>
> > IF BIN BUSH KILLS BIN OSAMA, BIN ADAM PEARLMAN IS WAITING IN THE WINGS TO
> > TAKE AL QAEDA OVER!
>
> do you think writing "bin" before each name makes your post more
> remarkable?

More accurate, all of these bastards are sewn from the same Nazi cloth



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On May 1, 12:51 pm, NefeshBarYochai  wrote:
> On May 1, 7:15 am, Ariel  wrote:
>
> > On May 1, 6:58 am, "ElParedon"  wrote:
>
> > > IF BIN BUSH KILLS BIN OSAMA, BIN ADAM PEARLMAN IS WAITING IN THE WINGS TO
> > > TAKE AL QAEDA OVER!
>
> > do you think writing "bin" before each name makes your post more
> > remarkable? all it does is show us that you're getting dumber by the
> > day.
>
> He's getting dumber

HEAR, HEAR BIN NEFESH



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On Apr 30, 11:52 pm, "Tilly"  wrote:
> NefeshBarYochai wrote:
> > On Apr 30, 6:17 pm, "ElParedon"  wrote:
> > > Clio Gagged" is a recent article by that intrepid Jewish writer,
> > > Israel Shamir, a man I believe to be the most courageous and
> > > intellectually honest Jew in the world. Shamir, an Israeli former
> > > member of the IDF, has dared to present the other side of the
> > > Jewish-Gentile conflict. In a media saturated by Jewish power, only
> > > one position on this conflict is permitted: Jews are always
> > > innocent, Gentiles are always guilty. Anything else other than this
> > > simple polemic is deemed anti-Semitism. In truth, since the Jewish
> > > sojourn in Egypt, through Roman occupation of Jerusalem, the
> > > Babylonian Capitivity, their Middle ages presence in Eastern and
> > > Central Europe, to the present modern state of Israel, Jewish
> > > ideology and power has been far more chauvinist, intolerant,
> > > hateful and ultimately murderous than that of their antagonists. As
> > > my book, JEWISH SUPREMACISM shows, no major writing on Earth comes
> > > close to the ethnic supremacism and hatred of the Talmud.
> > > Obviously, as a person of Jewish descent, Shamir has no wish for
> > > reciprocal hatred or harm to fall upon the Jewish people. As a
> > > person of European descent, neither do I, but I am committed to
> > > exposing and defending my people from the threat of Jewish
> > > supremacism. Shamir, perhaps Quixote-like, seeks a new path for the
> > > Jewish people, one that seems an unlikely development in a Jewish
> > > extremist power structure that has refined and fortified itself for
> > > 3000 years. One thing that Shamir and I know is that Jewish
> > > Supremacism poses a great threat to the heritage and freedom of the
> > > European people, and indeed to all peoples on Earth. It has led not
> > > only to the ethnic cleansing and barbarous oppression of the people
> > > of Palestine, its media occupation in America and Europe have
> > > undermined every worthy tradition and morality of the culture of
> > > the West, its political power has led to the opening of America and
> > > Europe to invasion. It is why American treasure and blood are shed
> > > in the sands of Iraq and Afghanistan, and it leads us to a possible
> > > apocalypse against Iran. Shamir is not only brilliant in his ideas,
> > > but his knowledge and literary ability make his articles a joy and
> > > marvel to read. Read and learn!
>
> Why do you insist on posting stuff from Israel Shamir who isn't an  Israeli,
> isn't Jewish and is a proven fraud? Even the Palestinian Intifada says he is
> a fraud.

hIS NAME IS ISRAEL YOU STUPID DONKEY, DO YOU KNOW ANYONE OF DIFFERENT
BREED WITH A NAME LIKE THAT?



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On May 1, 11:16 am, BernardZ  wrote:
> In article ,
> ser...@bellsouth.net says...
>
> >  I would like to say the American
> > troops are humiliated in Iraq. Your troops are crying in the streets of
> > Iraq, and they are defeated.
>
> Your joking Alex.

NOT JO9KING AT ALL ARSEHOLE

117 Coalition Forces killed in Iraq in April
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''APRIL is the cruellest month, breeding
Lilacs out of the dead land, mixing
Memory and desire, stirring
Dull roots with spring rain.
Winter kept us warm, covering
Earth in forgetful snow, feeding
A little life with dried tubers''.

T.S. Eliot (1888-1965). The Waste Land. 1922.

In april are killed in Iraq over 104 US soldiers, 12 British Soldiers
and 1 polish = 117




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From: Venceremos 
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On May 1, 11:15 am, BernardZ  wrote:
> In article ,
> ser...@bellsouth.net says...
>
> > Pulling out U.S. troops (including the
> > 100,000-plus mercenaries who back the U.S. military) won't eliminate all
> > Iraqi-on-Iraqi violence, but it will remove the reason many Iraqis are
> > fighting.
>
> How can people expect anyone to believe such crap?

YOU ARE CRAP BERNARD!

117 Coalition Forces killed in Iraq in April
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''APRIL is the cruellest month, breeding
Lilacs out of the dead land, mixing
Memory and desire, stirring
Dull roots with spring rain.
Winter kept us warm, covering
Earth in forgetful snow, feeding
A little life with dried tubers''.

T.S. Eliot (1888-1965). The Waste Land. 1922.

In april are killed in Iraq over 104 US soldiers, 12 British Soldiers
and 1 polish = 117



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On May 1, 11:13 am, BernardZ  wrote:
> In article <1177967914.746433.9...@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
> ser...@bellsouth.net says...
>
>
>
> > On Apr 30, 11:33 am, BernardZ  wrote:
> > > In article <1177940918.755386.269...@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>,
> > > ser...@bellsouth.net says...
>
> > > > On Apr 30, 8:25 am, BernardZ  wrote:
> > > > > In article ,
> > > > > ser...@bellsouth.net says...
>
> > > > > > "BernardZ"  wrote in message
> > > > > >news:MPG.209f3161eff0a5f4989dca@west.Usenet-News.net...
> > > > > > > In article ,
> > > > > > > peacewithw...@noway.clod says...
> > > > > > >>http://www.cpa.org.au/garchve03/1167global.html
>
> > > > > > >> BRITAIN: The mother of a British man shot in the head by
> > > > > > >> Israeli troops accused the Sharon Government of treating her with
> > > > > > >> "contempt" after it sent her a cheque that bounced. The Israeli
> > > > > > >> Ambassador in London wrote to relatives of peace activist Tom
> > > > > > >> Hurndall, who is in a coma, enclosing a cheque towards flying him
> > > > > > >> home. When Tom's mother Jocelyn Hurndall tried to pay it into her
> > > > > > >> account, her bank said that the cheque had been returned as there
> > > > > > >> were not enough funds in the Israeli Government's account. Mr
> > > > > > >> Hurndall had been working with peace campaigners in the town of
> > > > > > >> Rafah when he was shot as he tried to help children out of the
> > > > > > >> path of an Israeli tank. He suffered severe brain damage and is
> > > > > > >> not expected to recover. The Israeli Embassy in London insisted
> > > > > > >> that the cheque had been cashed, although the family's bank
> > > > > > >> continues to deny this.
>
> > > > > > > Tom Hurndall while hiding behind a rhetoric of 'peace', was supporting
> > > > > > > the terrorist who oppose peace.
> > > > > > How was he supporting "terrorists"? By ensuring that Palestinian kids got
> > > > > > safely home from school? Stupid!
>
> > > > > > They may be terrorists by your standard, most people regard Palestinian
> > > > > > resistance rather heroic. Nazis regarded partizans as bandits. Didn't do
> > > > > > them any good, they left a million Nazis dead in the Balkans
>
> > > > > We all what the Muslims did in Yugoslavia during WW2 Alex.
>
> > > > So now you want to be a champion of the Christians.!!!
>
> > > Muslims in Yugoslavia killed Jews too.
>
> > NO THEY DID NOT!  AND YOU ARE ONE LYING SON OF A WHORE!
>
> Actually the Muslims had their own armies in the Nazi third Reich.

ACTUALLY6, LUFTWAFFE WAS OPERATED BY OSAma's grandfather.

AND 7,500 ORNUNGSPOLIZEI SS, WHO GUARDED WARSAW GHETTO, WERE ALL
MUSLI8MS IN DIGUISE (AS JEWS)



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From: Venceremos 
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On May 1, 11:04 am, BernardZ  wrote:
> In article ,
> w...@home.nopeace.cam says...
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Venceremos"  wrote in message
> >news:1177968002.798170.250310@h2g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...corpse
> > > On Apr 30, 11:20 am, BernardZ  wrote:
> > >> In article <1177940527.688669.109...@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
> > >> ser...@bellsouth.net says...
>
> > >> > On Apr 30, 8:41 am, BernardZ  wrote:
> > >> > > In article ,
> > >> > > ser...@bellsouth.net says...
>
> > >> > > >  Israel can block extradition, but that's neither
> > >> > > > justice nor proof of innocence.
>
> > >> > > You fool Alex, how can Israel block extradition of a man who is dead!
>
> > >> > > MOREL died awhile ago.
>
> > >> > First of all, Morel is not a man, he is an animal, secondly if he
> > >> > croaked, deliver the bones to the Poles, so they can piss on them!
>
> > > BERNARD IDIOT, I DO NOT GIVE A SHIT IF HE IS DEAD OR ALIVE, SEND THAT
> > > BASTARD TO POLAND
>
> > Right after you send sharon to Belgium.
>
> A dead man and a corpse.

NO MATTER, OTHERWISE WE KNOW THAT YOU ARE LYING



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From: Venceremos 
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On May 1, 1:41 pm, xxa...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> On 1 May, 18:23, Venceremos  wrote:
>
> > 117 Coalition Forces killed in Iraq in April
> > By: Zoraida on: 01.05.2007 [16:44 ] (52 reads)
> > Article image
>
> > (394 bytes) [c]         Print
>
> > ''APRIL is the cruellest month, breeding
> > Lilacs out of the dead land, mixing
> > Memory and desire, stirring
> > Dull roots with spring rain.
> > Winter kept us warm, covering
> > Earth in forgetful snow, feeding
> > A little life with dried tubers''.
>
> > T.S. Eliot (1888-1965). The Waste Land. 1922.
>
> > In april are killed in Iraq over 104 US soldiers, 12 British Soldiers
> > and 1 polish = 117
I will never try to put Susan out of sucking business!



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"DoD"  wrote in message 
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>I decided to write this essay following the riots in Malmö this weekend.
> Malmö is Sweden's third largest city and by far the worst city in
> Scandinavia when it comes to Muslim aggression. I read recently that an 
> Arab
> girl interviewed in Malmö said that she liked it so much there, it felt
> almost like an Arab city. Native Swedes have been moving away from the 
> city
> for years, turned into refugees in their own country by Jihad, not too
>
HA SEND SOME JEWS, SWEDES WILL LOVE EM 




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"DoD"  wrote in message 
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> In 2004, David Horowitz published Unholy Alliance: Radical Islam and the
> American Left, a seminal work based on the author's 50-year experience of
> the American Left. Since the book was written, the links between Islam and
> the left have become stronger, and not just in the United States. The 
> global
> anti-war movements have naturally forged alliances between leftists and
> Islamists -- in short, a Black-Red Alliance.

HOW THE FUCK DOES THAT AFFECT JEWS?
PEOPLE OF ALL PERSUASIONS HAVE A RIGHT TO THEIR POLITICAL DETERMINATION, 
ARSEHOLE 




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"Michael Ejercito"  wrote in message 
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> On May 1, 10:45 am, Venceremos  wrote:
>> On May 1, 1:31 pm, "Salah Jafar"  wrote:
>>
>> >http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article14120.htm
>>
>> > Interview with Noam Chomsky
>>
>> > Noam Chomsky explains the reality of Israel's actions to Canadian
>> > interviewer Evan Solomon.
>>
>> > To watch the interview, click here
>>
>> 117 Coalition Forces killed in Iraq in April
>   You must be very happy about that.

IF I WAS HAPPY I WOPULDN'T BE COMPLAINING TO MY SENATORS EVERY FUCKING GAY 
ABOUT THE DEATHS OF YOUNG AMERICANS FOR THE FUCKING JEWS 




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 wrote in message 
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> On 1 May, 18:44, Venceremos  wrote:
>> On May 1, 1:41 pm, xxa...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> > On 1 May, 18:23, Venceremos  wrote:
>>
>> > > 117 Coalition Forces killed in Iraq in April
>> > > By: Zoraida on: 01.05.2007 [16:44 ] (52 reads)
>> > > Article image
>>
>> > > (394 bytes) [c]         Print
>>
>> > > ''APRIL is the cruellest month, breeding
>> > > Lilacs out of the dead land, mixing
>> > > Memory and desire, stirring
>> > > Dull roots with spring rain.
>> > > Winter kept us warm, covering
>> > > Earth in forgetful snow, feeding
>> > > A little life with dried tubers''.
>>
>> > > T.S. Eliot (1888-1965). The Waste Land. 1922.
>>
>> > > In april are killed in Iraq over 104 US soldiers, 12 British Soldiers
>> > > and 1 polish = 117
>>
>> I will never try to put Susan out of sucking business!- Hide quoted 
>> text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> SHE IS TOO BUSY AND YOU ALWAYS ONLINE! SO OPEN YOUR MOUTH CROAT!

CROAT? THAT IS A GOOD ONE! 




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"BernardZ"  wrote in message 
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> In article <1178024978.756306.8940@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>,
> kangarooistan@gmail.com says...
>> UNTIL muslims unite and stand together as one they MUST accept they
>> have NO RIGHTS AT ALL and will be raped murdered pillaged and
>> plundered one country after another and jailed as terrorists every
>> time they complain
>>
>
>
> It seems to be the Muslims that are doing most of this murdering
> pillaging and plundering.

SON OF A WHORE! WHO SLAUGHTERED 1 MILLION PEOPLE IN IRAQ? MUSLIMS? 




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"The Syn Byn Kid"  wrote in message 
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> On May 1, 11:09 pm, kangarooistan  wrote:
>> babies and raping their women and plundering one muslim country after
>> another and torturing any muslim who tries to object after pretending
>> they are terrorists and jail them for years for trying to defend
>> their
>> babies or innocent muslims
>
> Exactly which babies and innocent muslims were they trying to defend
> on the 11/9/2001?

ASK DOV ZAKHEIM AND OTHER FUCKING JEWS THEY WILL TELL YOU WHY THEY BLEW UP 
THE TOWERS 




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"Bi'nyamin Craamer"  wrote in message 
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>  wrote in message 
> news:f158ph$vdk$1@falcon.steinthal.us...
>>
>> On 30-Apr-2007, chsw  wrote:
>>
>>> [ Moderator's Comment: Very little, if any, Jewish content here HPG   ]
>>> flaviaR@verizon.net wrote:

Even if she was a yid, he would have to be the right kind of yid to be 
approved by them 




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 BREAKING: Americans ate 3 million melamine-tainted chickens!
                  by Goldy, 05/01/2007, 1:34 PM

                  In a conference call with media this afternoon, USDA 
Assistant Administrator Kenneth Petersen revealed that as many as 3 million 
chickens, contaminated with melamine from a single Indiana feed mill, have 
already been slaughtered, distributed and eaten. An additional 100,000 
breeder chickens are currently being voluntarily quarantined by farmers.

                  These 3.1 million chickens represent only those that fed 
on a single batch of feed made from melamine-tainted pet food "salvaged" in 
February. Petersen told reporters that the "investigation will lead to 
additional farms."







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  BREAKING: Americans ate 3 million melamine-tainted chickens!
                  by Goldy, 05/01/2007, 1:34 PM

                  In a conference call with media this afternoon, USDA 
Assistant Administrator Kenneth Petersen revealed that as many as 3 million 
chickens, contaminated with melamine from a single Indiana feed mill, have 
already been slaughtered, distributed and eaten. An additional 100,000 
breeder chickens are currently being voluntarily quarantined by farmers.

                  These 3.1 million chickens represent only those that fed 
on a single batch of feed made from melamine-tainted pet food "salvaged" in 
February. Petersen told reporters that the "investigation will lead to 
additional farms."







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"Frank Arthur"  wrote in message 
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>
> "Theodore Herzl"  wrote in message 
> news:1178050555.575992.254120@h2g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>>I know that Israel was caught harvesting organs from Palestinian
>> children murdered by the IDF, but why involve Turkey?
>>
>> =============================
> The problem with Isalamists is that they cannot tell reality from 
> frabrications.
> If you believe in 72 virgins you can believe Israelis harvest organs from 
> children.
 four jewish doctors were arrested just for that read Haaretz!

Maybe jews should use this chicken as an alternative

 BREAKING: Americans ate 3 million melamine-tainted chickens!
                  by Goldy, 05/01/2007, 1:34 PM

                  In a conference call with media this afternoon, USDA 
Assistant Administrator Kenneth Petersen revealed that as many as 3 million 
chickens, contaminated with melamine from a single Indiana feed mill, have 
already been slaughtered, distributed and eaten. An additional 100,000 
breeder chickens are currently being voluntarily quarantined by farmers.

                  These 3.1 million chickens represent only those that fed 
on a single batch of feed made from melamine-tainted pet food "salvaged" in 
February. Petersen told reporters that the "investigation will lead to 
additional farms."







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Subject: Re: Alex the fool was Re: RABBI DOV ZAKHEIM, THE MONSTER BEHIND 911
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"BernardZ"  wrote in message 
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> In article ,
> serwad@bellsouth.net says...
>>
>> "BernardZ"  wrote in message
>> news:MPG.209eef022362bd6e989dc6@west.Usenet-News.net...
>> > In article ,
>> > serwad@bellsouth.net says...
>> >>
>> >> With regard to Blueridge's reference to remote control of 9/11 
>> >> flights,
>> >>
>> >
>> > Alex 911 was not done by remote control but by suicide pilots.
>>
>> ALL INDICATIONS POINT TO THE FACT THAT YOU ARE REALLY CRAZY BERNARD, IF 
>> THEY
>> WERE "SUICIDE PILOTS" HOW COME EIGHT OF THEM WALKING THE STREETS OF 
>> MARAKESH
>> AND RIAD?
>>
>> AND HOW COME THEIR NAMES ARE NOT ON THE PASSANGER LIST?
>>
>>
>>
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_11,_2001_attacks
>
> Alex 911 was not done by remote control but by suicide pilots.
 CRAP!  ALL THE SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE POINTS TO THE FACT THAT WTC WAS BLOWN 
UP!  HAVE SOME COOL AID BERNARD, OR MAYEB SOME CHICKEN

 BREAKING: Americans ate 3 million melamine-tainted chickens!
                  by Goldy, 05/01/2007, 1:34 PM

                  In a conference call with media this afternoon, USDA 
Assistant Administrator Kenneth Petersen revealed that as many as 3 million 
chickens, contaminated with melamine from a single Indiana feed mill, have 
already been slaughtered, distributed and eaten. An additional 100,000 
breeder chickens are currently being voluntarily quarantined by farmers.

                  These 3.1 million chickens represent only those that fed 
on a single batch of feed made from melamine-tainted pet food "salvaged" in 
February. Petersen told reporters that the "investigation will lead to 
additional farms."







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"JD"  wrote in message 
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>
> Who is this poster, and why does he hate Jewish people?

ARE YOU SUGGESTING THAT HE IS THE ONLY ONE HATING FUCKING JEWS FOR WHAT THEY 
DO? 




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Subject: 911 WAS AN INSIDE JOB, HUNDREDS OF SCIENTISTS PROVE THIS FACT
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THE PLANES THEMSELVES COULD NOT DO MUCH HARM TO THE TOWERS, (ACCORDING TO 
THE ARCHITECTS WHO DESIGNED THE WORLD TRADE CENTRE)

PROF. STEVEN JONES RESEARCH HAS PROVED BEYOND ANY DOUBT PRESENCE OF THERMATE 
IN THE SLAG TAKEN FROM THE SITE.

SEVEN OF THE "PILOTS' NAMED ARE ALIVE AND WELL, AND NEITHER FBI NOR CIA HAS 
EVEN ATTEMPTED TO TALK TO THEM 




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"Michael Ejercito"  wrote in message 
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> On May 1, 10:45 am, Venceremos  wrote:
>> On May 1, 1:31 pm, "Salah Jafar"  wrote:
>>
>> >http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article14120.htm
>>
>> > Interview with Noam Chomsky
>>
>> > Noam Chomsky explains the reality of Israel's actions to Canadian
>> > interviewer Evan Solomon.
>>
>> > To watch the interview, click here
>>
>> 117 Coalition Forces killed in Iraq in April
>   You must be very happy about that.
YOU ARE SALIVATING MICHAEL. I AM A VETERAN AND RESPECT THE TROOPS, THEIR 
DEATHS ARE NEEDLESS.
>
> Michael
> 




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Subject: PRECIOS PRINCIE GOES TO WAR....
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 Prince Harry is expected to leave for Iraq within days. His photograph is 
being circulated round Basra, it seems, as the supreme prize for the 
resistance. Reports say that if captured, they will cut off his ears - for 
starters. The Army say that his "deployment to Iraq ... is under constant 
consideration ."The media seems mostly less than sympathetic to the 
establishment's (and Harry's) dilemma. Joan Bakewell's Independent column 
draws comparison with Henry Vth known as "Harry of England", who, in battle, 
dressed up as an ordinary soldier to hear the truth of what his troops in 
battle really thought, first hand. One declared of him: "I wish he were here 
alone. So should he be sure to be ransomed and many a poor men's lives 
saved." She also points out that were Harry kidnapped, Blair's "we don't 
negotiate with terrorists" stance, which has led to the snatched being left 
to rot or be killed, would be immediately forgotten. Additionally "Rambo" 
raids by the SAS and maybe Mossad would be mounted. That of course would 
lead to many of the public wondering why one life is so much more precious 
than others.

Further, if the Army decide not to deploy the Prince, there will be many 
parents of serving soldiers asking why their sons lives are less precious. 
If he is deployed and confined to a "safe" position, pushing a pen in a 
bunker, they will be asking the same question. "I am an ex soldier and if my 
life can be risked, so can his" posted Davie from Manchester on the BBC 
Online website. He should be treated as "any other son with requisite 
Training", wrote the parent of another soldier.

"I do enjoy running down a ditch full of mud, firing bullets. It's the way I 
am, I love it", said Harry - whose educational achievements appear fairly 
limited - in an interview. Playing war games is one thing, a wily, 
determined, sophisticated resistance in an invaded country, is quite 
another.

One cartoon shows Harry with a cigarette in one hand and a beer in the 
other, declaring that it is only fair he should go into battle: "I've 
already fought in Tramp, Annabelles and Chinawhite" (nightclubs) and 
recently indeed tangling outside Boujjis club with photographers having 
allegedly spent the evening drinking "crack baby" cocktails. Hopefully he 
won't get many of them is Basra. Photographer Nirach Tanner is quoted as 
saying: "He screamed at me to f ... off,, then grabbed me by the collar and 
tried to shove me over." Bakewell refers to "his freedom with fists and 
drink". Fights with mates and heavy morning heads are less than useful in a 
war zone.

Early this week, an un-named "friend" of Harry told a newspaper that the 
young man had told more "friends" he was "not afraid to die". On Sunday, 
another leak from, presumably another "friend" said at a farewell party (at 
another nightclub, Mahiki) he was: "Sh....ing himself". As a leader of 
eleven other servicemen and prime targets, as they are with his regiment, 
hardly the cool head needed.

Abu Zaid of the Malik Ibn Ashtar Brigade of the Mehdi Army is quoted as 
saying: "We are awaiting the arrival of the young, handsome, spoilt prince 
with bated breath ... we will be generous to him ... we will return him to 
his grandmother, but without ears."

"The people who will be in danger will be the troop with him. I would not 
blame any soldier who would not go out on patrol with him. Also, the betting 
is that the patrol will be told to protect him at all costs", posted Gordon 
Allison of Forces Reunited on BBC Online. So apart from the fact that 
Britain, the US and the coalition of the coerced should not be there, there 
is the rub. At every level, what a mess. The British army already under 
siege, now a magnet for every resistance group across Iraq with Harry the 
payback prize for the whole bloody debacle. If he lands with his "boys" as 
he calls them, on 1st May (Ministry of Defence coy on announcing exact date, 
but certainly imminent) the day George Bush announced "Mission Accomplished" 
on USS Abraham Lincoln, four years ago, the challenge to the resistance will 
be utterly irresistible.

Abu Mujaba, reportedly a leader of a resistance unit said: "...we can kill 
hundreds of British soldiers before forcing them to withdraw - but Harry is 
a bigger catch and we will force the British to come on their knees and talk 
to us." It is not looking good.

But two resounding questions remain, here in the real world. Will the 
deployment of the precious Prince, to be baby sat and guarded, in this 
invasion, spark the ultimate mutiny in the increasingly angry clime amongst 
the lied to US and UK troops - and public? And since the war has been 
declared illegal (even by the former UN Secretary General Kofi Annan) and is 
littered with Downing Street's "dodgy dossiers", could he be the first royal 
heir to be charged with war crimes, just for being there - if he returns in 
one piece ?

UN Resolution 33/24 (1978) has plenty to say about the right to reclaim 
illegally invaded territory, territorial integrity and liberation from 
colonial domination and foreign occupation. 




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From: "ElParedon" 
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Subject: WHAT IS TERRORISM?
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Terrorism means different things to different people

Hezbollah is actually a legitimate political party and a military 
organization defending Lebanon from Israel,

Hamas, is nothing more than a political party and a legitimate resistance 
organization, resisting the Jewish occupation of Palestine.

Taliban was a government of Afghanistan, and as such is not a terrorist 
organization, but defeated army of a defeated country.

To Zionists  and some Neocons all of them are "terrorists" because smearing 
those you hate is the usual method of the Zionist warfare. 




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Subject: 54,630, and counting...in Jew war
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 US Iraq casualties rise to 54,630
Submitted by davidswanson on Tue, 2007-05-01 20:56. Media
By Michael Munk

US military occupation forces in Iraq suffered at least 197 combat casulties 
in the week ending May Day, as total casualties reached at least 54,630.The 
total includes 27,822 killed or wounded by what the Pentagon classifies as 
"hostile" causes and 26,808 (as of five weeks ago, March 24) more casualties 
>from "non-hostile" causes such as accidents, suicides and illness serious 
enough to require medical evacuation.

US media divert attention from the actual cost in American life and limb by 
routinely reporting only the total killed (3,352) as of May Day and rarely 
mentioning the 25,090 wounded in combat. To further minimize public 
perception of the cost, they cover for the Pentagon by ignoring the 26,188 
military victims who suffered "non-hostile" injuries and illness ( only 
through March 24), although the 3,352 reported deaths include 620 (up one 
>from last week) who died from those same causes. *

Although not defined as "casualties" since they have been discharged from 
active duty, as of the end of 2006 more than 180,000 U.S. military veterans 
of Iraq and Afganistan had filed disability claims.

Another group of unreported casualties are the more than 8,531 dead (770) 
and injured (7,761) "contractors" of American companies through the end of 
2006. Since 156 (as of April 3) of the dead are reported as Americans, we 
can assume the rest are foreign nationals--including everyone from food 
service workers to military mercenaries.


  a.. The Pentagon has shut down its "non combat" casualty website and 
announced a new site to be available after May 6 at http:// 
siadapp.dmdc.osd.mil

http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/?q=node/22020 




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  US Iraq casualties rise to 54,630
Submitted by davidswanson on Tue, 2007-05-01 20:56. Media
By Michael Munk

US military occupation forces in Iraq suffered at least 197 combat casulties 
in the week ending May Day, as total casualties reached at least 54,630.The 
total includes 27,822 killed or wounded by what the Pentagon classifies as 
"hostile" causes and 26,808 (as of five weeks ago, March 24) more casualties 
>from "non-hostile" causes such as accidents, suicides and illness serious 
enough to require medical evacuation.

US media divert attention from the actual cost in American life and limb by 
routinely reporting only the total killed (3,352) as of May Day and rarely 
mentioning the 25,090 wounded in combat. To further minimize public 
perception of the cost, they cover for the Pentagon by ignoring the 26,188 
military victims who suffered "non-hostile" injuries and illness ( only 
through March 24), although the 3,352 reported deaths include 620 (up one 
>from last week) who died from those same causes. *

Although not defined as "casualties" since they have been discharged from 
active duty, as of the end of 2006 more than 180,000 U.S. military veterans 
of Iraq and Afganistan had filed disability claims.

Another group of unreported casualties are the more than 8,531 dead (770) 
and injured (7,761) "contractors" of American companies through the end of 
2006. Since 156 (as of April 3) of the dead are reported as Americans, we 
can assume the rest are foreign nationals--including everyone from food 
service workers to military mercenaries.


  a.. The Pentagon has shut down its "non combat" casualty website and 
announced a new site to be available after May 6 at http:// 
siadapp.dmdc.osd.mil

http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/?q=node/22020 




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"Kenneth McVay OBC"  wrote in message 
news:133ff4941gk3i8f@corp.supernews.com...
> In article <1178053384.829143.189420@h2g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
> George   wrote:
>
> Still afraid to use your real name, Grosvenor?

FUCKING DRUNKEN NANIMO CLOWN, WHO THE FUCK CARES WHAT YOU SAY 




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"NefeshBarYochai"  wrote in message 
news:1178067403.106692.61030@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> On May 1, 5:52 pm, Fritz Wuehler
>  wrote:
>> Mossad gave these tactics to US
>>
>> What Rumsfeld did not mention in all his public protestations of
>> regret over Abu Ghraib was that in the same month of May 2004 he
>> had on his desk a report prepared by the Navy inspector
>> general's office detailing the interrogation methods, refined in
>> their cruelty, being practiced on Jose Padilla and other inmates
>> in the South Carolina naval brig.
>>
>> Padilla, a Puerto Rican former gang member, found himself
>> incarcerated on the direct authority of the secretary of
>> defense, one of three prisoners accused of terrorism held in the
>> jail and subjected to a carefully designed regime of isolation
>> and sensory deprivation.
>>
>> Padilla, according to his attorneys, would ultimately spend
>> 1,307 days in a nine-by-seven-foot cell, often chained to the
>> ground by his wrists and torso and kept awake at night by guards
>> using bright lights and loud noises. In repeated legal
>> arguments, administration lawyers maintained that Rumsfeld was
>> entitled to hold anyone deemed 'an enemy combatant' in his
>> rapidly expanding prison system.
>>
>> The jewish propaganda campaign that is designed to create the
>> 'reality' of a 'clash of civilisations' proceeds apace with a
>> different "leaked report", this time one that does not result in
>> the leakers appearing in court, mainly because this one helps to
>> prop up the Israel-US-British war on terror rather than expose
>> it for psychopathic war-mongering that it is.
>>
>> The report, carefully concocted out of thin air by the Zionist
>> Joint Terrorism Analysis Centre (JTAC), which is basically
>> Mossad's false flag terror central, claims that Al-Qaeda leaders
>> in Iraq are planning the first "large-scale" terrorist attacks
>> on Britain and other western targets. The "leakers" were, of
>> course, careful to include the claim that the "al-Qaeda"
>> operation was to be carried out "with the help of supporters in
>> Iran".
>>
>> "Surprise surprise."
>>
>> '...jews are the great masters of lying.'
>>                            -Schopenhauer
>
Do not listen to this Jewish piece of uneducated garbage, Fritz. Padilla is 
an innocent man framed by the Jews for things he is incapable of doing, 
simply because he is a muslim. He is in a vegetative state right now from 
the torture he has suffered over the past four years. Padila has a wife and 
two children in Dakahliya area of Egypt. It is a shame that a young man like 
that was not allowed to enjoy his life in peace 




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From: "ElParedon" 
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Subject: MUSLIMS CONVICTED THROUGH TORTURE AND INTIMIDATION
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 QUOTE
I'm giving this statement on behalf of those defendants convicted today, 
that is Omar Khyam, Anthony Garcia, Waheed Mahmood, Jawad Akbar, and 
Salahuddin Amin. These are their words that they wish me to read out:


QUOTE
In the name of Allah the merciful, the compassionate, we bear witness there 
is nothing worthy of worship except Allah, and Mohammed as his messenger.

This was a prosecution driven by the security services, able to hide behind 
a cloak of secrecy, and eager to obtain ever greater resources and power to 
encroach on individual rights.

There was no limit to the money, resources and underhand strategies that 
were used to secure convictions in this case.

This case was brought in an atmosphere of hostility against Muslims, at 
home, and abroad. One stoked by this government throughout the course of 
this case.

This prosecution involved extensive intrusion upon personal lives, not only 
ours, but our families and friends.

Coached witnesses were brought forward. Forced confessions were gained 
through illegal detention, and torture abroad. Threats and intimidation was 
used to hamper the truth. All with the trial judge seemingly intent to 
assist the prosecution almost every step of the way.

These were just some of the means used in the desperate effort to convict. 
Anyone looking impartially at the evidence would realise that there was no 
conspiracy to cause explosions in the UK, and that we did not pose any 
threat to the security of this country.

It is not an offence to be young, Muslim and angry at the global injustices 
against Muslims.

Allah says in the Qur'an, "Oh mankind, worship your Lord who created you, 
and those before you, that you may become righteous."


And that's the end of the statement. Thank you.

http://www.blairwatch.co.uk/node/1740#comments 




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 Giuliani assails Venezuela's Chavez By LIZ SIDOTI, Associated Press Writer
56 minutes ago



WASHINGTON - Presidential candidate Rudy Giuliani, whose law firm represents 
an American subsidiary of a Hugo Chavez-controlled oil company, said Tuesday 
that the socialist Venezuelan president is dangerous to U.S. interests.


In a speech to Hispanic small business leaders, the Republican brought up 
Chavez while discussing ways the United States could become free from its 
reliance on foreign oil.

"Isn't it annoying, upsetting and even in some cases a matter of national 
security that we have to send money to our enemies?" Giuliani asked. "We 
need a president who knows how to get things done so we don't have to be 
sending money to Chavez."

Giuliani called for the United States to develop alternative energy sources 
and take advantage of oil already in its control. He said that antagonistic 
leaders of oil-rich nations, like Chavez, would have "little power" if the 
United States could stop buying oil from them.

"Who would listen to Chavez if he didn't have all this oil money? Nobody 
would listen to him," Giuliani said.

He said Chavez's social programs and those of Cuban leader Fidel Castro 
"keep people in poverty" and "keep people dependent."

Giuliani argued that "astounding" unemployment levels show that the 
Venezuelan president isn't using his oil revenues to help his own 
countrymen.

The former New York City mayor spoke to The Latino Coalition's small 
business economic summit the same day that Chavez's government took over the 
last privately run oil fields in Venezuela, one of the world's top oil 
exporters.

Petroleos de Venezuela, the country's national oil company that Chavez 
controls, bought U.S.-based Citgo Petroleum Corp. in 1990. The Houston law 
firm now known as Bracewell & Giuliani has represented Citgo in matters 
involving the Texas legislature since 2005.

Giuliani's campaign says he does no lobbying for Citgo and he joined the law 
firm after it was already involved with the company. He has been defending 
the relationship for weeks, saying the firm represents a U.S. company that 
employs thousands of people in the United States.

"I feel perfect freedom to point out that Hugo Chavez is a person who's 
acting against the interests of the United States. He's someone where we'd 
be in a much better position if we could cut him off. If we could say we 
don't want or need Venezuelan oil," Giuliani told reporters after the 
speech. "I don't think there's anyone that's more outspoken about how 
dangerous I think he is."

Chavez, who says he wants to steer Venezuela toward socialism, is a strident 
critic of U.S.-style capitalism and a leader of the leftist movement in 
Latin America. Chavez has denounced President Bush as "the devil."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070501/ap_on_el_pr/giuliani_chavez;_ylt=AtcP1_tH8e9Iy9KJIOWJ.eus0NUE 




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 U.S. Blocks Israel-Syria Talks
Stephen Zunes | May 1, 2007



Even as American officials reluctantly agreed last month to include Syrian 
representatives in multiparty talks on Iraqi security issues, the Bush 
administration continues to block Israel from resuming negotiations with 
Syria over its security concerns. In 2003, President Bashar al-Assad offered 
to resume peace talks with Israel where they had left off three years 
earlier, but Israel, backed by the Bush administration, refused. Assad 
eventually agreed to reenter peace negotiations without preconditions, but 
even these overtures were rejected.

Beginning in 2005, with the knowledge of their governments, private Israeli 
and Syrian negotiators began crafting a draft treaty to end the decades-long 
conflict between the two countries. The Bush administration, however, 
downplayed the talks' significance.

Following last summer's war in Lebanon, several prominent members of the 
Israeli cabinet - including Defense Minister Amir Peretz and Internal 
Security Minister Avid Dichter - called on their government to resume 
negotiations with Syria. Although Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni appointed a 
senior aide to prepare for possible talks, such initiatives did not get any 
support from Washington. According to the Jewish Daily Forward, it appeared 
that "Israel would be prepared to open a channel with Syria but does not 
want to upset the Bush administration."

Indeed, when Israeli officials asked Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice 
about pursuing exploratory talks with Syria, her answer, according to the 
Israeli newspaper Haaretz, was, "don't even think about it." Similarly, the 
Israeli daily Yedioth Ahronoth reports that Israeli government officials 
"understood from President Bush that the United States would not take kindly 
to reopening a dialogue between Israel and Syria."

Such pressure appears to have worked. Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert 
reportedly expressed concern that it would inappropriate to counter 
President Bush at a time when his policies are being seriously challenged at 
home, since he has such a "clear position on this issue" and he is "Israel's 
most important ally." Similarly, Israeli Vice Premier Shimon Peres was 
quoted as saying, "The worse thing we could do is contradict the United 
States, which opposes negotiating with Syria." Interior Minister Ronni Baron 
told a television reporter, "When the question on the agenda is the 
political legacy of Israel's greatest friend, President Bush, do we really 
need now to enter into negotiations with Syria?"

Hostility to Earlier Initiatives
Israel and Syria came very close to a peace agreement in early 2000. The 
Israeli government of Prime Minister Ehud Barak agreed to withdraw from 
Syrian territory occupied since the June 1967 war in return for Syria 
agreeing to strict security guarantees, normalized relations, the 
demilitarization of the strategic Golan Heights and the cessation of support 
for radical anti-Israel groups. Only a dispute regarding the exact 
demarcation of the border, constituting no more than a few hundred yards, 
prevented a final settlement.

With the death of Syrian president Hafez al-Assad later that year and the 
coming to power of the right-wing Likud Bloc in the subsequent election, 
talks were indefinitely suspended. Assad's successor, Bashar al-Assad, 
called for the resumption of talks where they left off, but both Israel and 
the United States rejected the proposal.

The Syria Accountability Act, passed by an overwhelming bipartisan majority 
of the U.S. Congress in 2003, demands that "the Governments of Lebanon and 
Syria should enter into serious unconditional bilateral negotiations with 
the Government of Israel in order to realize a full and permanent peace." 
Congress and the administration insisted that Syria enter new talks 
"unconditionally" rather than resume them from the two parties' earlier 
negotiating positions - in which both sides made major concessions and came 
very close to success after several years. In so doing, the U.S. government 
effectively rejected the position of the more moderate Israeli government of 
former Prime Minister Barak and instead embraced the rejectionist position 
of the current right-wing Prime Minister Ehud Olmert.

As a result, it is unclear how the U.S. government's demand that Syria enter 
into such negotiations with an occupying power that categorically refuses to 
withdraw from its conquered land will "realize a full and permanent peace." 
Indeed, Congress and the administration appear to want to force Syria to 
capitulate entirely and accept Israel's annexation of Syria's Golan region. 
If so, this demand is unrealistic. The UN Charter expressly forbids any 
nation from expanding its territory by force, recognizing Israel's 
annexation would violate a series of UN Security Council resolutions, and no 
Syrian government - even a hypothetically democratic one - could ever accept 
such a settlement.

It is also noteworthy that Congress and the administration insist that both 
Syria and Lebanon enter into bilateral negotiations with Israel instead of 
multilateral negotiations. Such multilateral negotiations, called for by UN 
Security Council resolution 338, makes particular sense given the 
interrelated concerns of these three nations. In any case, prior to 
President Bush signed the Accountability Act into law, President Assad 
announced Syria's willingness to accede to U.S. and Israeli demands and 
resume talks with Israel unconditionally.

In response to these initiatives, Israel announced at the end of 2003 that 
it would double the number of Jewish settlers in the occupied Golan region 
of Syria. According to Agriculture Minister Yisrael Katz , who also chaired 
the government's settlements committee, "The aim is to send an unequivocal 
message: the Golan is an integral part of Israel." This renewed colonization 
drive is also a direct violation of the Fourth Geneva Convention, which 
prohibits any occupying power from transferring its civilian population onto 
territories seized my military force, and UN Security Council resolutions 
446, 452, 465 and 471, which call on Israel to refrain from building 
additional settlements and withdraw from existing settlements.

Israeli Public Challenges Bush
Within Israel, however, there is also a growing awareness that returning the 
Golan Heights to Syria would not jeopardize Israeli security. While 
maintaining the high ground may have constituted a strategic advantage 40 
years ago, it is far less important in an era when the principal threats to 
Israel's security come in the form of suicide bombers and long-range 
missiles. Israeli army chief Lt. Gen Moshe Yaalon observes that, from a 
strategic perspective, Israel could cede the Golan Heights in return for 
peace and successfully defend Israel's internationally-recognized border.

With Syria calling for a resumption of peace talks, pressure has been 
growing within Israel to resume negotiations, with polls showing that a 
majority of Israelis support such efforts. Alon Ben-Meir, a professor of 
international relations at the Center for Global Affairs at New York 
University, argues for the need to engage with Syria, otherwise the Bush 
administration "will forfeit another historic opportunity to bring an end to 
the Arab-Israeli conflict, however remote that prospect may now seem."

Many Israelis also recognize the broader implication of resuming dialogue 
with Damascus, in that it would likely reduce Iran's regional influence, 
weaken the threat from Hezbollah, improve Israel's relations with other Arab 
states, and encourage more pragmatic Palestinian voices while weakening 
extremists. "The moment there are negotiations with Syria, then everything 
changes in the Middle East," says Danny Yatom, former head of the Israeli 
intelligence service Mossad, "and we can begin renewing ties with other Arab 
states." Robert Malley, former special assistant to President Clinton for 
Arab-Israeli affairs, notes how "the mere sight of Israeli and Syrian 
official sitting side by side would carry dividends, producing ripple 
effects in a region where popular opinion in is moving away from acceptance 
of the Jewish state's right to exist, an putting Syrian allies than oppose a 
negotiated settlement in an awkward position."

As a result, the pressure from the Bush administration on Israel to reject 
Syria's offer for negotiations and the Israeli government's willingness to 
give in to such pressure has led to growing resentment in Israel. According 
to the normally hawkish Maariv columnist Ben-Dror Yemini, "We've always said 
that our arms are extended in peace. That is, unless the Americans twist 
them." The eminent Israeli novelist Amos Oz asks, "Why should Israel suspend 
one of its paramount national interests - peace with its neighbors - for the 
sake of the pleasantness or unpleasantness of its relations with a foreign 
government?"

Debra DeLee, head of the liberal pro-Israel group Americans for Peace Now, 
says that "it takes a lot of chutzpah to tell Israel not to even talk about 
peace with its neighbor." She goes on to assert that it was "outrageous.for 
the President to pressure Israel not to negotiate."

Putting Syria into a Trap
Ironically, the Syria Accountability Act, passed by an overwhelming 
bipartisan majority of Congress in 2003, contains a provision prohibiting 
any U.S. assistance to Syria until the U.S. president "determines that 
substantial progress has been made . . . in negotiations aimed at achieving 
a peace agreement between Israel and Syria." Given the administration's 
repeated efforts to block such negotiations from taking place in the first 
place, it obviously makes it difficult for Syria to comply.

The primary motivation may be more sinister, however.

The Jerusalem Post reported on July 30 that President Bush pushed Israel to 
expand the war beyond Lebanon, with Israeli military officials "receiving 
indications from the US that America would be interested in seeing Israel 
attack Syria." In the early days of the fighting, U.S. Deputy National 
Security Adviser Elliott Abrams reportedly met with a very senior Israeli 
official to underscore Washington's support for extending the war to Syria, 
but Israeli officials described the idea as "nuts" and decided to limit 
their military operations to Lebanon. Haaretz noted that some in Washington 
were "disappointed by Israel's decision not to attack Syria at the same 
time." Meyrav Wurmser, head of the Center for Middle East Policy at the 
conservative Hudson Institute and wife of the principal Middle East advisor 
for Vice-President Cheney, went further, declaring that there was "a lot of 
anger" in Washington that Israel did not attack Syria, which she argued 
would have served "U.S. objectives." U.S. officials also hoped that an 
Israeli invasion of Lebanon might lead Syrian troops to re-enter Lebanon to 
defend the country from the Israeli invasion, which could then be used as an 
excuse to expand the war to Syria itself.

Not everyone in Israel supports attacking Syria on behalf of the United 
States. As bad as the Assad regime may be, forcing its overthrow could 
result in a new regime that is far worse. Following a forced departure of 
the Baathists who have ruled for over 44 years, radical Sunni Islamists 
would be most likely poised to take advantage of the inevitable chaos.

However, the Bush administration appears quite willing to continue its 
divide-and-rule policies in the Middle East by preventing the resumption of 
talks that could end hostilities between Israel and its Arab neighbors. It 
is yet another reminder that the problem with U.S. policy is not that it is 
too "pro-Israel," but that it is anti-peace.


Stephen Zunes (www.stephenzunes.org), Middle East editor for Foreign Policy 
In Focus (www.fpif.org), is a professor of politics at the University of San 
Francisco.


http://www.fpif.org/fpiftxt/4190




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Ukrainian university asks UN to 'close' Israel


Ukrainian university asks UN to 'close' Israel
      By VLADIMIR MATVEYEV


       JTA / The Jerusalem Post  Wednesday, 7 December 2005


KIEV - Iran's president, who wants to see a world without Israel, has a 
vociferous ally in Ukraine.


A Kiev-based university that already has gained international notoriety for 
its anti-Zionist propaganda and anti-Semitic publications now wants
the United Nations to "close" Israel.


The call came in November from the Interregional Academy for Personnel 
Management, known by its Russian acronym MAUP, whose leadership
said the United Nations should revoke its 1947 resolution on the creation of 
a Jewish state.


"Mankind lived without the State of Israel exactly 2,670 years, but from the 
second of its creation all the world feels a constant aggression of
the old 'sons of the devil,' " according to a university statement, 
published last month in the school newspaper, supporting Iranian President 
Mahmoud
Ahmadinejad's recent call to destroy Israel.


MAUP in recent months has become a major purveyor of anti-Semitism in 
Ukraine. But the silence until recently of Ukrainian authorities-many of
whom have ties to the university-has led to criticism from the local Jewish 
community, international Jewish organizations and Israeli officials.


Critics say the issue could seriously compromise Ukraine's hard-earned 
reputation as a new democracy seeking full acceptance by the international
community, including the European Union and NATO.


Stung by growing criticism, Ukrainian officials may finally be taking the 
issue seriously. President Viktor Yuschenko this week urged his country's
elites to condemn anti-Semitism and xenophobia.


"There can be no ethnicity issue in a European country," Yuschenko was 
quoted as saying Monday by the Interfax-Ukraine news agency. In his
remarks, directed toward artists, journalists and academics, Yuschenko 
specifically condemned MAUP for the first time.


Top public figures among school's alumni


The anti-Zionism and anti-Semitism of MAUP's leaders run against Ukraine's 
official policy line, but the school appears to have close ties to leading
policymakers, including Foreign Minister Boris Tarasyuk, an expert on Arab 
countries who only recently gave up his job at MAUP, reportedly under
pressure from Yuschenko.


Many of Ukraine's top politicians-including Yuschenko, Tarasyuk, former 
president Leonid Kravchuk and several members of Parliament-have received
honorary degrees or titles from MAUP. Many lesser-known politicians and 
bureaucrats also call MAUP their alma mater.


These leaders find themselves in good company: The school has bestowed 
honorary titles and degrees on some internationally renowned hate-mongers,
including U.S. white supremacist David Duke, who has a doctorate in history 
>from MAUP and has participated in a number of MAUP-organized anti-Zionist
conferences in Kiev.


Zoya Borisova, head of the school's Department of Russian and Ukrainian as 
Foreign Languages, dismissed accusations of anti-Semitism.


"This is a fight against Zionism, but not against Jews," she said.


MAUP is the country's largest private university. With a dozen branches 
throughout Ukraine, MAUP has about 35,000 students, including hundreds
of foreigners, mostly from Arab and developing countries.


The university offers degrees in law, economics, business administration, 
accounting, political science, practical medicine and psychology and claims
to have a network of alumni and supporters in 60 countries.


Formerly a state-owned college system that offered post-graduate education 
for the public sector, MAUP went private after the fall of Communism in 
1991.


"MAUP was created by prominent representatives of the Ukrainian ruling 
elite," said Josef Zissels, leader of the Ukrainian Va'ad, a leading Jewish 
group, and
one of MAUP's most vocal critics.


Such influence over government disturbs Ukrainian Jews, especially when the 
school's name has become synonymous with Ukrainian anti-Semitism today.


The school has found itself in hot water in recent weeks, but its leaders 
appear unrepentant. Neighboring Poland said it may not recognize MAUP
degrees because of the school's controversial stand on international issues. 
The Israeli Foreign Ministry and the Simon Wiesenthal Center have urged
Ukraine to open a probe into the school's anti-Semitic activities.


Publications include Mein Kampf and Protocols


Yet the criticism seems to have had little effect on the school and its 
president, Georgy Schokin. Schokin earlier this year founded a political 
party,
the Conservative Party of Ukraine, that's preparing for parliamentary 
elections in the spring.


Besides his friendship with figures such as Duke, Schokin and his school are 
said to maintain close ties to a number of Muslim countries, particularly
Saudi Arabia and Iran. According to some press reports, a substantial 
portion of the school's funding comes from these two countries, as well as a 
number
of public groups in the Arab world.


University officials would not confirm these reports, but said the school 
did have good ties with the Arab world.


In fact, the school's reputation is precisely what appeals to some of MAUP's 
foreign students. In an interview with JTA, a first-year student from Iran
acknowledged that it was the university's anti-Zionism that attracted her 
and many Arab students.


The student, who gave her name as Ilda, said she had wanted to study 
medicine in Ukraine but instead studied Russian at MAUP because the school
"struggles against the evil of world Zionism."


Other students who don't agree seem afraid to speak openly about the 
situation.


Liana Musatova, who graduated from MAUP last year with a master's degree in 
political science, said the school is permeated with the political views of
its leadership, which she said could be "dangerous for the students."


Like other current and former students, Musatova receives a free copy of 
MAUP's newspaper, Personal Plus. Almost every issue of the newspaper
carries anti-Semitic and anti-Israel articles.


According to Zissels, 70 percent of all anti-Semitic publications today in 
Ukraine are published by MAUP, including Mein Kampf and The Protocols
of the Elders of Zion.


Ukraine's Education Ministry recently demanded that the school change its 
name to indicate that it is privately run. MAUP's rector responded to the
request by accusing the ministry of political persecution.







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Ukrainian university asks UN to 'close' Israel


Ukrainian university asks UN to 'close' Israel
      By VLADIMIR MATVEYEV


       JTA / The Jerusalem Post  Wednesday, 7 December 2005


KIEV - Iran's president, who wants to see a world without Israel, has a 
vociferous ally in Ukraine.


A Kiev-based university that already has gained international notoriety for 
its anti-Zionist propaganda and anti-Semitic publications now wants
the United Nations to "close" Israel.


The call came in November from the Interregional Academy for Personnel 
Management, known by its Russian acronym MAUP, whose leadership
said the United Nations should revoke its 1947 resolution on the creation of 
a Jewish state.


"Mankind lived without the State of Israel exactly 2,670 years, but from the 
second of its creation all the world feels a constant aggression of
the old 'sons of the devil,' " according to a university statement, 
published last month in the school newspaper, supporting Iranian President 
Mahmoud
Ahmadinejad's recent call to destroy Israel.


MAUP in recent months has become a major purveyor of anti-Semitism in 
Ukraine. But the silence until recently of Ukrainian authorities-many of
whom have ties to the university-has led to criticism from the local Jewish 
community, international Jewish organizations and Israeli officials.


Critics say the issue could seriously compromise Ukraine's hard-earned 
reputation as a new democracy seeking full acceptance by the international
community, including the European Union and NATO.


Stung by growing criticism, Ukrainian officials may finally be taking the 
issue seriously. President Viktor Yuschenko this week urged his country's
elites to condemn anti-Semitism and xenophobia.


"There can be no ethnicity issue in a European country," Yuschenko was 
quoted as saying Monday by the Interfax-Ukraine news agency. In his
remarks, directed toward artists, journalists and academics, Yuschenko 
specifically condemned MAUP for the first time.


Top public figures among school's alumni


The anti-Zionism and anti-Semitism of MAUP's leaders run against Ukraine's 
official policy line, but the school appears to have close ties to leading
policymakers, including Foreign Minister Boris Tarasyuk, an expert on Arab 
countries who only recently gave up his job at MAUP, reportedly under
pressure from Yuschenko.


Many of Ukraine's top politicians-including Yuschenko, Tarasyuk, former 
president Leonid Kravchuk and several members of Parliament-have received
honorary degrees or titles from MAUP. Many lesser-known politicians and 
bureaucrats also call MAUP their alma mater.


These leaders find themselves in good company: The school has bestowed 
honorary titles and degrees on some internationally renowned hate-mongers,
including U.S. white supremacist David Duke, who has a doctorate in history 
>from MAUP and has participated in a number of MAUP-organized anti-Zionist
conferences in Kiev.


Zoya Borisova, head of the school's Department of Russian and Ukrainian as 
Foreign Languages, dismissed accusations of anti-Semitism.


"This is a fight against Zionism, but not against Jews," she said.


MAUP is the country's largest private university. With a dozen branches 
throughout Ukraine, MAUP has about 35,000 students, including hundreds
of foreigners, mostly from Arab and developing countries.


The university offers degrees in law, economics, business administration, 
accounting, political science, practical medicine and psychology and claims
to have a network of alumni and supporters in 60 countries.


Formerly a state-owned college system that offered post-graduate education 
for the public sector, MAUP went private after the fall of Communism in 
1991.


"MAUP was created by prominent representatives of the Ukrainian ruling 
elite," said Josef Zissels, leader of the Ukrainian Va'ad, a leading Jewish 
group, and
one of MAUP's most vocal critics.


Such influence over government disturbs Ukrainian Jews, especially when the 
school's name has become synonymous with Ukrainian anti-Semitism today.


The school has found itself in hot water in recent weeks, but its leaders 
appear unrepentant. Neighboring Poland said it may not recognize MAUP
degrees because of the school's controversial stand on international issues. 
The Israeli Foreign Ministry and the Simon Wiesenthal Center have urged
Ukraine to open a probe into the school's anti-Semitic activities.


Publications include Mein Kampf and Protocols


Yet the criticism seems to have had little effect on the school and its 
president, Georgy Schokin. Schokin earlier this year founded a political 
party,
the Conservative Party of Ukraine, that's preparing for parliamentary 
elections in the spring.


Besides his friendship with figures such as Duke, Schokin and his school are 
said to maintain close ties to a number of Muslim countries, particularly
Saudi Arabia and Iran. According to some press reports, a substantial 
portion of the school's funding comes from these two countries, as well as a 
number
of public groups in the Arab world.


University officials would not confirm these reports, but said the school 
did have good ties with the Arab world.


In fact, the school's reputation is precisely what appeals to some of MAUP's 
foreign students. In an interview with JTA, a first-year student from Iran
acknowledged that it was the university's anti-Zionism that attracted her 
and many Arab students.


The student, who gave her name as Ilda, said she had wanted to study 
medicine in Ukraine but instead studied Russian at MAUP because the school
"struggles against the evil of world Zionism."


Other students who don't agree seem afraid to speak openly about the 
situation.


Liana Musatova, who graduated from MAUP last year with a master's degree in 
political science, said the school is permeated with the political views of
its leadership, which she said could be "dangerous for the students."


Like other current and former students, Musatova receives a free copy of 
MAUP's newspaper, Personal Plus. Almost every issue of the newspaper
carries anti-Semitic and anti-Israel articles.


According to Zissels, 70 percent of all anti-Semitic publications today in 
Ukraine are published by MAUP, including Mein Kampf and The Protocols
of the Elders of Zion.


Ukraine's Education Ministry recently demanded that the school change its 
name to indicate that it is privately run. MAUP's rector responded to the
request by accusing the ministry of political persecution.







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On May 1, 10:53 pm, Al Nakba  wrote:
> On May 1, 6:35 pm, "ElParedon"  wrote:
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> > I'm giving this statement on behalf of those defendants convicted today,
> > that is Omar Khyam, Anthony Garcia, Waheed Mahmood, Jawad Akbar, and
> > Salahuddin Amin. These are their words that they wish me to read out:
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> > QUOTE
> > In the name of Allah the merciful, the compassionate, we bear witness there
> > is nothing worthy of worship except Allah, and Mohammed as his messenger.
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> > This was a prosecution driven by the security services, able to hide behind
> > a cloak of secrecy, and eager to obtain ever greater resources and power to
> > encroach on individual rights.
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> > There was no limit to the money, resources and underhand strategies that
> > were used to secure convictions in this case.
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> > This case was brought in an atmosphere of hostility against Muslims, at
> > home, and abroad. One stoked by this government throughout the course of
> > this case.
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> > This prosecution involved extensive intrusion upon personal lives, not only
> > ours, but our families and friends.
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> > Coached witnesses were brought forward. Forced confessions were gained
> > through illegal detention, and torture abroad. Threats and intimidation was
> > used to hamper the truth. All with the trial judge seemingly intent to
> > assist the prosecution almost every step of the way.
>
> > These were just some of the means used in the desperate effort to convict.
> > Anyone looking impartially at the evidence would realise that there was no
> > conspiracy to cause explosions in the UK, and that we did not pose any
> > threat to the security of this country.
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> > It is not an offence to be young, Muslim and angry at the global injustices
> > against Muslims.
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> > Allah says in the Qur'an, "Oh mankind, worship your Lord who created you,
> > and those before you, that you may become righteous."
>
> > And that's the end of the statement. Thank you.
>
> >http://www.blairwatch.co.uk/node/1740#comments
>
> Cry us a river! Al jihadi al kalebna! Mekhtoub!

The party is not over until the fat lady sings, arsehole!



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Convicted by a kangaroo court

Eyal Sivan has been the target of a witch hunt for an entire week. Since 
publication of reports that he will direct a film supported by the 
Rabinovitch Foundation he's been called "anti-Israeli" and 
 "pro-Palestinian," but he's remained silent. "I've been abandoned," he 
says, and claims that the reports were intended to influence the decision of 
the public committees



Merav Yudilovitch

      Published:  04.30.07, 16:21 / Israel Culture





      For a whole week Eyal Sivan has been in the headlines on news pages, 
op-ed pages, and the internet.





      An entire week in which expressions such as the following have 
appeared next to his name: "prominent hater of Israel," "sick phenomenon," 
"Israeli expatriate who serves as a propaganda machine for the liquidation 
of the Zionist enterprise."





      A whole week in which Sivan has remained silent. For most readers the 
name means nothing. Now it is time to meet the man: Eyal Sivan, director, 
academic, lecturer in film studies, a controversial figure now fighting for 
his artistic life.





            Controversial Remarks


                        Filmmaker: Israel regime like East German Stasi / 
Jenny Elazari


                        In interview with Yedioth Ahronoth magazine 'Seven 
Days,' Eyal Sivan, Israeli maker of controversial film about Adolf Eichmann, 
says idea of his new film 'I Love You All' is 'to show how evil in East 
Germany, as in Israel, was mainstream'; adds: Equality, creating state for 
its citizens not possible within Zionist ideological framework
                        Full article




      Last Wednesday an item appeared in the press stating that Sivan had 
been chosen to direct a film called "Jaffa" as part of a combined project of 
channel 8, the Rabinovitch Foundation, and the Jerusalem Cinematheque.





      The initial item was published more than a week before the advisory 
committee to the public council and the Rabinovitch Foundation board of 
directors convened to decide on the recommendation.





      The item did not speak about the film itself, other than in a terse 
sentence that is part of the TV channel's response. Instead it pointed its 
arrows at Sivan himself, calling him "anti-Israeli," "pro-Palestinian," and 
claiming he "presents Eichmann as a nice person" in his 1999 film "The 
Specialist".





      The item was sufficient to ignite the media and to bring out the heavy 
artillery against Sivan. Minister Ya'akov Edri, who is responsible for the 
celebrations of Israel's sixtieth birthday next year, called Sivan 
"anti-Jewish" and demanded that the Minister of Education and the Mayor of 
Jerusalem use their authority to stop the scandal.





      MK Yoel Hasson was quick to express his point of view in a letter sent 
to the press and to Giora Eini, director of the Rabinovitch Foundation. 
"Sivan holds radical, pro-Palestinian views, has lived in Paris in recent 
years, and often speaks out against Israel and its policy, including 
statements that Israel is a historical error. Is it possible that he should 
enjoy public money in the state he loathes so much?"





      Hasson was not the only one demanding that the Rabinovitch Foundation 
rethink a decision that has not yet been made. "We have had many 
controversial films, but when I analyze the public outcry that has arisen 
here, there is no doubt that the discussion is not about the film project 
but about the director," says Eini.



      Sources close to the advisory committee fear that the media uproar 
will affect the decisions of the foundation's public committee.





      "To its eternal disgrace, the Rabinovitch Foundation will be 
remembered as the body that capitulated to McCarthyism if it decides to 
overturn the advisory council's decision. This would be the first time that 
political pressures are driving people crazy and causing them to disqualify 
a person without addressing his art at all. This type of de-legitimization 
is an undemocratic act that will open a dangerous Pandora's box," they say.





      It was journalist Ben Dror Yemini who actually talked somewhat about 
the film itself, which he called a story about capitalism and Zionist 
colonialism that exploits Palestinians.





      "This is a story about the Engineering Corp's bulldozers. They are not 
just contractors carrying out war crimes.. They are also uprooting 
Palestinian orchards. Not because of terrorism, not because of terrorist 
attacks, but in order to satisfy the greed of the Israelis." he writes.


      "To whom does the following script belong? To the devotees of the 
Protocols of the Elders of Zion? To a group of neo-Nazis in Germany? To the 
Islamic Jihad's propaganda department? Or perhaps to Israeli cultural 
institutions?"





      In this interview Sivan breaks his silence, confronting the 
accusations for the first time and speaking about intentional bending of the 
facts. He views this as a test, an example of the use of violent means in an 
effort to influence the public committee's decisions.





      "The series of reports are character assassination, an indictment and 
a verdict without trial. We have here betrayal, assisting a terrorist 
organization. This is intentional bending of the facts. People are not 
allowed to judge and decide for themselves, they have contempt for them and 
they are directing their thoughts."





            Legal Battle


                        France: Court rejects lawsuit against Finkielkraut / 
Merav Yudilovich


                        Parisian court rejects charges against French-Jewish 
philosopher made by Israeli film-maker Eyal Sivan for dubbing him "one of 
the current actors of Jewish anti-Semitism"
                        Full article




      You've remained silent for a week. Why have you chosen to respond?



      "For exactly the same reason I make films. I don't create for the 
readers of Ha'aretz, I believe in the screen and the public and in each 
person's ability to look, think, and form his own opinion without guidance 
>from above. This is out of control. We've come to a point where you can sell 
the readers anything. Someone wants the people not to think for themselves, 
not to question what they read in the paper but just to pass on those 
rumors. It's populism."


      Is it personal persecution? Has someone decided to settle accounts 
with you?

      "No, I think there are people who have a hard time with the fact that 
it's impossible to put me into the usual boxes. I don't go around with a 
terrorist, I'm not eccentric, I have not had contacts with a foreign agent."



      Let's say that the board of directors of the Rabinovitch Foundation 
decides to overturn the decision by the professional committee. Could you 
continue to work on the film?

      "And let's say that I decide not to make this film and instead to make 
a film about the trauma of schoolchildren in Sderot, do you think the 
Ministry of Education would approve me filming in the school? Or let's say 
that I ask the IDF spokesman today for approval to film, do you think there's 
a chance he'd cooperate with me?



      So the campaign has succeeded?

      "Yes. Once a person is called an anti-Semite, a Hamasnik, 
anti-Israeli, it takes root. Sexual assault can become a crime that is not a 
disgrace. What was written about me in recent days is not a crime, but it is 
a disgrace.





      "If the measure of being pro-Israel is how many sexual assaults I've 
committed or how much money I've stolen from public committees and whether I've 
exploited innocent taxpayers, I understand why I'm called anti-Israeli. I've 
been convicted in a public kangaroo court without the right of defense, 
without proof, on the basis of rumors. Without the State Comptroller, 
without reports, without the law.





      "I've been thrown to the dogs, because in a situation where people go 
around with exposed nerves and existential fear, I've become a target. It 
isn't just that I mustn't be given money from a foundation; it isn't clear 
why I'm being allowed to breathe."





      "Perhaps I'm the boy who says that the emperor has no clothes"

      This isn't the first time the 43-year old Sivan has been at the center 
of controversy as in 1987 his film, "Aqabat Jaber, Passing Through", which 
dealt with the issue of Palestinian refugees, created an uproar.





      A strong believer in the right to express his opinions even if they 
are not popular, Sivan was born in Haifa and grew up in Jerusalem. He was 
active in a group of students opposing religious coercion. As a young man he 
demonstrated with members of "Matzpen" in favor of dialogue with the PLO.


      In 1985 he went to Paris for a vacation and stayed there for nearly 20 
years. In Paris he made his films, most of which are connected to the Middle 
East and disputed land. The French Jewish community considers him an 
outcast. French Jewish intellectual Alain Finkelkraut has called him "an 
anti-Semitic Jew," and a French court will hear the libel suit on May 2.





      For the past three years he has divided his time between Paris and 
Sderot, where he lectures in the Film Department, but his opponents, he 
claims, prefer to present him as a foreigner. "It's true that I lived in 
France, but I make films that take responsibility for what is happening 
here. I have only an Israeli passport, even though I could have received 
French citizenship four times. I am Israeli, and this is what gets everyone 
so angry."





      Six years ago you found a bullet in your mailbox in Paris. Do you 
still get worked up by the attacks?

      "What surprises me is the permissiveness, the fact that this is 
accepted as a norm, and that people do not oppose this. That there is no one 
who will ask what is happening here, or how such an attack could be carried 
out, and how they crudely intervene in a purely professional decision.


      "And what does it mean that members of the profession no longer have 
anything to say? Is everything politics and force? Is everything determined 
by journalists and politicians? Where are the workers? The directors? The 
simple people who live here? Forget Eyal Sivan, I'm talking about a 
dangerous process."





      Why do you annoy so many people? What is there in you that elicits 
such extreme responses?

      "Perhaps I am the child who calls out: 'The emperor has no clothes!' 
Perhaps it's because I love the people I film, and I present them as human 
beings. Perhaps it's because I keep on smiling. It's annoying."



      Could it be that you say things people don't want to hear?

      "Of course good leftwing films are those that present the checkpoints 
as something bad, but to make a film about Eichmann that also deals with the 
Holocaust and with memory and the question of equality? This doesn't fit 
into any category. They say that the film shows Eichmann as a small cog, 
this is actually Eichmann's claim, which I oppose, but people don't want to 
have this discussion, it's more comfortable to present me as an anti-Semite 
who hates Israel. I have no hatred."



      So what are you?

      "I am in favor of equality between people, and I don't want to hear 
about civil equality, that's separation. People in Sderot are entitled to 
live with the security that people in Ramat Hasharon have. People in Bet 
Hanun are also allowed to live as securely as people in Ramat Hasharon, and 
that means that for now, the people who are in a state of equality are the 
people of Sderot and Bet Hanun. Those who give the order to bomb Bet Hanun 
and to carry out killings which are followed by missiles falling on Sderot 
are the people sitting in Ramat Hasharon."



      "There is no one person who has the truth"

      Sivan's new cinematic project, to be produced by Arik Bernstein and 
Osnat Trabelsi, is about the Jaffa brand and its connection to Israel. 
"Jaffa" is the story of an image, a brand that has become a symbol and a 
synonym for the State of Israel.





      "This is a film that will combine tons of photographs and posters and 
archival films," says Sivan. "Of course the film will present different 
angles of the story, because this is a story that can be told from a 
thousand angles, which together will make up the truth. There is no one 
person who has the truth, and this is precisely the argument-there are those 
who believe that they have the exclusive truth. I have questions."





      Though he has made 15 films, Sivan's request for Israel Film 
Foundation support for "Jaffa, the Story of a Label," is a first. "Three 
years after I began to teach in Sderot, a tender was published for a 
'past-present' project based on archival material, which is my hobby," he 
says, listing the films he has made that are based on extensive archival 
work.





      "This script was waiting for an opportunity, and naturally I entered 
the tender. It's absurd, if I don't approach the Israeli foundations they'll 
say that I support the boycott against Israel, if I do approach them they'll 
call me a hater of Israel. You can't win here. No one really talks about 
art, just as no one dealt with 'Route 181,' which I made with Michel 
Khleifi, as an attempt to ask the question how it is possible to tell the 
story together in order that we can live together in equality."





      When the papers depict you as a supporter of the academic and cultural 
boycott against Israeli institutions, it looks a bit strange for you to be 
submitting your project to an Israeli foundation.

      "I've never joined initiatives calling for a boycott. On the contrary, 
I am critical of that. To my mind a boycott is absurd. I teach at the Sapir 
College, I would obviously not call to boycott myself. The fact that 
Palestinian directors are calling on foreigners to boycott Israel is their 
affair. I think that they should screen their films here massively and not 
boycott. I signed a letter of solidarity by people in the Israeli film 
industry with our counterparts in Lebanon and the territories, while taking 
responsibility for the fact that our army is perpetrating crimes. This is a 
legitimate position."






      It is said that you are fond of provocations. What really makes your 
blood boil?

      "Being called an anti-Semite. For me that is a terrible curse, making 
anti-Semitism banal. Finkielkraut (French-Jewish philosopher) called me a 
Nazi, and I won't overlook that because you don't speak to Nazis, or you 
fight them and oppose them or kill them. This is part of the world-wide 
campaign that depicts critics of Israeli policy as anti-Semites. It's enough 
to look at talkbacks to see the confusion between anti-Semitism and 
criticism, between discussion and a desire for equality. Anyone who speaks 
about equality in Israel is accused of anti-Semitism. It's a wave that's 
become a maelstrom."




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Christians Demand Bush be Impeached for Worshiping Satan
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(MANCHESTER, NH) - A Christian based group known as the Christian's 
Liberation Movement has concluded that George W. Bush is a fake Christian 
and worships Satan. The group is demanding his impeachment not only for his 
crimes against humanity but for lying to the American people about his 
worship of Satan. It is highly doubtful that George W. Bush would have been 
elected President two times had the American people known about his 
secretive worship of Satan. Although this claim might seem difficult to 
believe, when one looks at the secret societies that George W. Bush has been 
involved with it becomes clear that George W. Bush is anything but a good 
Christian man.

"There is no question that George W. Bush worships Satan," proclaims Lee 
Rogers spokesman for the group.

"George W. Bush and any other member of the administration that secretly 
worships Satan should be removed from office immediately. It is one thing if 
Bush openly announced that he worshiped Satan and was elected, but the fact 
that Bush poses as a Christian and secretly worships Satan is deeply 
offensive to the moral values of Christians," Rogers continues.

Evidence of George W. Bush's worship of Satan is clear when one considers 
the secret societies that he is affiliated with. These include Skull and 
Bones as well as the Bohemian Club. Both organizations are confirmed to be 
heavily involved with Satan worship.

George W. Bush's Affiliation with Skull and Bones

George W. Bush, his father George H.W. Bush and his grandfather Prescott 
Bush all became members of Skull and Bones a secret fraternal society 
located at Yale University. Founded in 1832, the official legal name of the 
society is the Russell Trust Association named after one of the founding 
members of the society. Skull and Bones at one point was actually known as 
The Brotherhood of Death if that gives any sort of indication as to what 
this group is all about. Each year, 15 new members are recruited into Skull 
and Bones and meet in a building known as "The Tomb". The group's symbol is 
a skull and crossbones with the number "322" located underneath the 
crossbones.

Here is the American Heritage Dictionary's definition of the word 
crossbones.

crossbones - A representation of two bones placed crosswise, usually under a 
skull, symbolizing danger or death.

Obviously from the description alone, Skull and Bones is no Christian group. 
It becomes even more disturbing when one learns of the rituals members of 
Skull and Bones must participate in so they can be reborn into this satanic 
order of death. Newly tapped members of Skull and Bones participate in a 
ritual where they are reborn into the order by laying naked in a coffin. 
Members must also recount their entire sexual history, pretend to slit a 
nude woman's throat and participate in other bizarre satanic rituals.

As if this wasn't bad enough, George W. Bush's grandfather Prescott Bush 
along with other Skull and Bones members actually robbed the grave of Apache 
warrior Geronimo and stole Geronimo's skull in 1918. A group of Native 
Americans have actually petitioned Congress to investigate the Skull and 
Bones group as part of an effort to return the remains of Geronimo for 
reburial. Geronimo's grandson, Harlan Geronimo, has even asked George W. 
Bush to return his grandfather's skull and has volunteered to undergo DNA 
testing to prove ownership.

It is ridiculous to believe that a good Christian man as Bush claims he is 
would have anything to do with a group that participates in these things. At 
the very least Bush should help facilitate the return of Geronimo's skull 
and apologize to Harlan Geronimo for the actions of his grandfather.

George W. Bush's Affiliation with the Bohemian Grove

George W. Bush and his father are also both members of a group called the 
Bohemian Club. The all male Bohemian Club's membership which consists of 
America's wealthy and political elite, meet every summer in a place known as 
the Bohemian Grove. The Bohemian Grove is located in the town of Monte Rio 
in the middle of the redwood forests of northern California. Each year, they 
conduct a satanic ritual called the "Cremation of Care" where they burn an 
effigy of a child to Molech a large demon owl. The ceremony could best be 
described as a mock human sacrifice and is hardly anything a Christian man 
would take part in.

This is especially true considering that Molech is actually referenced in 
the Old Testament. In the book of Leviticus, God denounces the sacrifice of 
children to Molech as shown here.

Leviticus 18:21

And thou shalt not let any of thy seed pass through the fire to Molech, 
neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God: I am the Lord.

Leviticus 20:2

Again, thou shalt say to the children of Israel, Whosoever he be of the 
children of Israel, or of the strangers that sojourn in Israel, that giveth 
any of his seed unto Molech: he shall surely be put to death: the people of 
the land shall stone him with stones.

Security at the Bohemian Grove is taken seriously as members of the press 
are not allowed to film inside the encampment. Members value their privacy 
and apparently do not want people to know that they participate in a satanic 
ritual and engage in other bizarre behavior. That all changed in the year 
2000 when radio host and documentary film maker Alex Jones along with camera 
man Mike Hanson snuck into the Bohemian Grove and filmed the entire 
"Cremation of Care" ritual via a hidden video camera. Jones released the 
video footage of the ritual in his documentary film Dark Secrets: Inside the 
Bohemian Grove. It is clear from the video footage contained in the film 
that the "Cremation of Care" ceremony is in fact a satanic ritual.

There have also been reports of rampant homosexual prostitution in the 
Bohemian Grove. The NY Post reported that a gay porn star by the screen name 
Chad Savage was brought into the Bohemian Grove to service the moguls there. 
Members of the Bohemian Club are also said to run around naked, dress in 
drag, engage in drug use as well as urinate openly within the encampment. 
There are even allegations of snuff films being filmed within the Bohemian 
Grove during the 1980's. Details of these allegations can be found in former 
state senator John Decamp's book The Franklin Cover-up.

Richard Nixon was even recorded on audio tape referring to the Bohemian 
Grove as "the most faggy godd**ned thing you could ever imagine."

Why would a Christian man be associated with an organization that has 
members who secretly engage in homosexual acts, satanic rituals and other 
bizarre behavior?

George W. Bush's Actions Are Immoral and Not Christian

If George W. Bush were really a good Christian man why would he wage an 
endless war on terror based on lies and propaganda? It has already become 
clear that the war in Iraq was based off of lies and has thus far resulted 
in the deaths of nearly one million people. It is also becoming increasingly 
clear that the attacks of September 11th, 2001 were a government inside job, 
meaning that the entire war on terror that Bush promotes is also based off 
of lies and falsehoods.

The United States is spending close to one billion dollars building an 
embassy in Iraq that is going to be as big if not bigger than Vatican City. 
How can Bush justify spending this money on an embassy when Baghdad is still 
in shambles and the Veteran's Administration in the United States is in 
complete disarray? It is clear that Bush doesn't care about U.S. military 
personnel, or the Iraqi people. Instead, Bush is more concerned with 
building a new modern day version of Babylon as part of an effort to further 
the influence of his satanic New World Order masters. Bush and his New World 
Order masters believe that they themselves are living gods on earth and 
exempt from divine judgment.

The evidence is overwhelming. George W. Bush's association with these secret 
societies coupled with his actions that have caused an untold amount of 
death and destruction is clear proof that he worships Satan. We are 
demanding that Bush and any other member of his administration that poses as 
a fake Christian and worships Satan in secret be removed from office 
immediately.

http://www.roguegovernment.com/news.php?id=1845

These Christians are really on the ball. Some of us have been telling them 
that for the past two years now.

Lord Cerne Abbas


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Subject: CHRISTIANS WANT BUSH DEAD
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 Christians Demand Bush be Impeached for Worshiping Satan
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(MANCHESTER, NH) - A Christian based group known as the Christian's 
Liberation Movement has concluded that George W. Bush is a fake Christian 
and worships Satan. The group is demanding his impeachment not only for his 
crimes against humanity but for lying to the American people about his 
worship of Satan. It is highly doubtful that George W. Bush would have been 
elected President two times had the American people known about his 
secretive worship of Satan. Although this claim might seem difficult to 
believe, when one looks at the secret societies that George W. Bush has been 
involved with it becomes clear that George W. Bush is anything but a good 
Christian man.

"There is no question that George W. Bush worships Satan," proclaims Lee 
Rogers spokesman for the group.

"George W. Bush and any other member of the administration that secretly 
worships Satan should be removed from office immediately. It is one thing if 
Bush openly announced that he worshiped Satan and was elected, but the fact 
that Bush poses as a Christian and secretly worships Satan is deeply 
offensive to the moral values of Christians," Rogers continues.

Evidence of George W. Bush's worship of Satan is clear when one considers 
the secret societies that he is affiliated with. These include Skull and 
Bones as well as the Bohemian Club. Both organizations are confirmed to be 
heavily involved with Satan worship.

George W. Bush's Affiliation with Skull and Bones

George W. Bush, his father George H.W. Bush and his grandfather Prescott 
Bush all became members of Skull and Bones a secret fraternal society 
located at Yale University. Founded in 1832, the official legal name of the 
society is the Russell Trust Association named after one of the founding 
members of the society. Skull and Bones at one point was actually known as 
The Brotherhood of Death if that gives any sort of indication as to what 
this group is all about. Each year, 15 new members are recruited into Skull 
and Bones and meet in a building known as "The Tomb". The group's symbol is 
a skull and crossbones with the number "322" located underneath the 
crossbones.

Here is the American Heritage Dictionary's definition of the word 
crossbones.

crossbones - A representation of two bones placed crosswise, usually under a 
skull, symbolizing danger or death.

Obviously from the description alone, Skull and Bones is no Christian group. 
It becomes even more disturbing when one learns of the rituals members of 
Skull and Bones must participate in so they can be reborn into this satanic 
order of death. Newly tapped members of Skull and Bones participate in a 
ritual where they are reborn into the order by laying naked in a coffin. 
Members must also recount their entire sexual history, pretend to slit a 
nude woman's throat and participate in other bizarre satanic rituals.

As if this wasn't bad enough, George W. Bush's grandfather Prescott Bush 
along with other Skull and Bones members actually robbed the grave of Apache 
warrior Geronimo and stole Geronimo's skull in 1918. A group of Native 
Americans have actually petitioned Congress to investigate the Skull and 
Bones group as part of an effort to return the remains of Geronimo for 
reburial. Geronimo's grandson, Harlan Geronimo, has even asked George W. 
Bush to return his grandfather's skull and has volunteered to undergo DNA 
testing to prove ownership.

It is ridiculous to believe that a good Christian man as Bush claims he is 
would have anything to do with a group that participates in these things. At 
the very least Bush should help facilitate the return of Geronimo's skull 
and apologize to Harlan Geronimo for the actions of his grandfather.

George W. Bush's Affiliation with the Bohemian Grove

George W. Bush and his father are also both members of a group called the 
Bohemian Club. The all male Bohemian Club's membership which consists of 
America's wealthy and political elite, meet every summer in a place known as 
the Bohemian Grove. The Bohemian Grove is located in the town of Monte Rio 
in the middle of the redwood forests of northern California. Each year, they 
conduct a satanic ritual called the "Cremation of Care" where they burn an 
effigy of a child to Molech a large demon owl. The ceremony could best be 
described as a mock human sacrifice and is hardly anything a Christian man 
would take part in.

This is especially true considering that Molech is actually referenced in 
the Old Testament. In the book of Leviticus, God denounces the sacrifice of 
children to Molech as shown here.

Leviticus 18:21

And thou shalt not let any of thy seed pass through the fire to Molech, 
neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God: I am the Lord.

Leviticus 20:2

Again, thou shalt say to the children of Israel, Whosoever he be of the 
children of Israel, or of the strangers that sojourn in Israel, that giveth 
any of his seed unto Molech: he shall surely be put to death: the people of 
the land shall stone him with stones.

Security at the Bohemian Grove is taken seriously as members of the press 
are not allowed to film inside the encampment. Members value their privacy 
and apparently do not want people to know that they participate in a satanic 
ritual and engage in other bizarre behavior. That all changed in the year 
2000 when radio host and documentary film maker Alex Jones along with camera 
man Mike Hanson snuck into the Bohemian Grove and filmed the entire 
"Cremation of Care" ritual via a hidden video camera. Jones released the 
video footage of the ritual in his documentary film Dark Secrets: Inside the 
Bohemian Grove. It is clear from the video footage contained in the film 
that the "Cremation of Care" ceremony is in fact a satanic ritual.

There have also been reports of rampant homosexual prostitution in the 
Bohemian Grove. The NY Post reported that a gay porn star by the screen name 
Chad Savage was brought into the Bohemian Grove to service the moguls there. 
Members of the Bohemian Club are also said to run around naked, dress in 
drag, engage in drug use as well as urinate openly within the encampment. 
There are even allegations of snuff films being filmed within the Bohemian 
Grove during the 1980's. Details of these allegations can be found in former 
state senator John Decamp's book The Franklin Cover-up.

Richard Nixon was even recorded on audio tape referring to the Bohemian 
Grove as "the most faggy godd**ned thing you could ever imagine."

Why would a Christian man be associated with an organization that has 
members who secretly engage in homosexual acts, satanic rituals and other 
bizarre behavior?

George W. Bush's Actions Are Immoral and Not Christian

If George W. Bush were really a good Christian man why would he wage an 
endless war on terror based on lies and propaganda? It has already become 
clear that the war in Iraq was based off of lies and has thus far resulted 
in the deaths of nearly one million people. It is also becoming increasingly 
clear that the attacks of September 11th, 2001 were a government inside job, 
meaning that the entire war on terror that Bush promotes is also based off 
of lies and falsehoods.

The United States is spending close to one billion dollars building an 
embassy in Iraq that is going to be as big if not bigger than Vatican City. 
How can Bush justify spending this money on an embassy when Baghdad is still 
in shambles and the Veteran's Administration in the United States is in 
complete disarray? It is clear that Bush doesn't care about U.S. military 
personnel, or the Iraqi people. Instead, Bush is more concerned with 
building a new modern day version of Babylon as part of an effort to further 
the influence of his satanic New World Order masters. Bush and his New World 
Order masters believe that they themselves are living gods on earth and 
exempt from divine judgment.

The evidence is overwhelming. George W. Bush's association with these secret 
societies coupled with his actions that have caused an untold amount of 
death and destruction is clear proof that he worships Satan. We are 
demanding that Bush and any other member of his administration that poses as 
a fake Christian and worships Satan in secret be removed from office 
immediately.

http://www.roguegovernment.com/news.php?id=1845

These Christians are really on the ball. Some of us have been telling them 
that for the past two years now.

Lord Cerne Abbas


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From: "ElParedon" 
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Subject: DIVIDE AND GENOCIDE!
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Divide and conquer then encircle and kill
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Divide and conquer then encircle and kill Since the early day of invading 
Iraq, the USA policy has been following the old invaders wisdom," divide and 
conquer". Thus they have divided the Iraqis according to two contradicting 
rules; sectarian groups as Sunnis , sheit, Christians, and ethnic groups as 
Arabs, Kurds, Turkmen,....Among the Arabs the division rule was seatrain as 
Sunni and sheits, while among the Sunnis the rule is changed to Arab, Kurds 
and Turkmen. It is well known that the majority of the Kurds are Muslim 
Sunni, but when it comes to count Sunnis the Kurds are excluded so that the 
percentage of Sunnis is reduced. This enforced division has led to what we 
see in the last year of sectarian killing among the Iraqis. The last stage 
of Mr. Bush policy in Iraq is to encircle some districts in Baghdad, and 
then liquidate those who are against the occupation. The "great wall" in the 
Al-Adhamiya district of Baghdad which has been recently erected to 
safeguard, as the USA troops says, the people of the district is one 
example. What we see on the ground is quite different. On 28 April a joint 
Iraqi/ USA force arrested 25 men from a local café in the district, then 
they killed 5 of them in front of the others. One more barbaric action is 
that, these forces have occupied the the Al-Naaman hospital in the same 
district two days ago. These forces have forced the patients to leave the 
hospital. If we know that this is the only hospital in the city then we can 
see how people are killed slowly !. It is obvious that the USA troops have 
been advised by the new conservatives and their allies in the sectarian 
government of al-maliky ,to send away all opponents to the occupation, and 
to kill the remaining ones. In this respect more than 3 million Iraqis have 
fled outside and more than 700 thousands have been killed. The UN and 
western media have been giving clued ears to SOS voices of the the Iraqis , 
and yet those to blame is the international terror, forgetting that Mr. Bush 
and his allies are the most dangerous terrorist that have ever been seen. 
!!!


By : Mohammed Younis
May Tuesday 1 2007 


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From: "ElParedon" 
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Subject: WHICH ONE OF THE LIES DO YOU STILL BELIEVE?
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That Saddam was danger to USA

That Osama Bin Laden attacked USA

That 47 steel columns "melted" from fuel fire

That Saddam bought yellow cake from Niger

That Saddam had WMD's

That Israel is a democracy 




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Subject: FUCKING NANIMO DRUNKARD
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 WHAT DOES HE KNOW ABOUT ANYTHING? 




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Subject: AIPAC is a terrorist organization
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 If the new government of United States turns out to be anti Israel, you 
will fi8nd out just how terrorist Jews can be! 




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Subject: Re: WHICH ONE OF THE LIES DO YOU STILL BELIEVE?
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"reporter01"  wrote in message 
news:1178116278.668763.4050@u30g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
> On May 1, 9:34 pm, "ElParedon"  wrote:
> |> That Saddam was danger to USA
> |>
> |>
> |> That 47 steel columns "melted" from fuel fire
>
> Did you know that milliions of jews didnt show up on the
> San Francisco-Oakland Bay Bridge on the same day that
> a gasoline tanker truck caught fire and the heat weakened
> part of the structure to the point of collapse?
>
That's too bad, but we will get them some other time! 




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From: "ElParedon" 
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http://www.proliberty.com/observer/20070405.htm 




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From: "ElParedon" 
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 HEY STUPID HOW COME YOU KNOW SO MUCH ABOUT THE HOLOFUCKS?  rEAD WIESENTHAL 
LIES? FIGURES!

LET ME TELL YOU, THAT SON OF WHORE WOULD HAVE BEEN A DEAD MAN IF HE WAS 
CAPTURED BY OSTAF BANDERA AND HIS PARTIZANS, FOR BETRAYING DOZENS OF 
PARTIZANS TO THE GESTAPO.

THAT IS WHY I REALLY ADMIRE YOUR FUCKING JEWS, THEY CHANGE SKIN LIKE A 
SNAKE!

THERE ARE COUPLE OF OLD PEOPLE FROM BUKOVINA LIVING IN CAMPBELL RIVER, GO 
AND TALK TO THEM 




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The Israel Factor infiltrates Democratic Presidential Candidate debate


May 1, 2007 - It was clearly a set up question.  There was nothing random 
about it.  It was a purposeful effort designed and executed by Israel 
loyalists and protectionists that take their orders, whether they realize it 
or not, from a complex web of manipulators now correctly identified as the 
Israel Lobby.



Barack Obama should have expected it.  After all, the Chicago Sun Times 
reported recently that "Obama's camp is well-aware"[1] of the ongoing 
Israeli survey called The Israel Factor: Ranking the presidential 
candidates, and the low marks Obama is getting from the Zionist panelists.



The Israel Factor: Ranking the presidential candidates is a special project 
published by Haaretz, a leading Israeli daily newspaper.  It appears in the 
section of the newspaper called Rosner's Domain.  Shmuel Rosner is Haaretz's 
chief U.S. correspondent, and is based in Washington DC.[2]



Obama's March ranking in the Israel Factor was 3.88.  The scale is 1 to 10: 
1 being 'Worst for Israel' and 10 being 'Best for Israel'.



In April, Obama's ranking jumped to 5.13[3], which placed him ahead of only 
Republican candidates, Mike Huckabee and Chuck Hagel.  Senator Hagel is 
currently ranked last with a score of 3.75 because he believes that 
resolving the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is central to Middle East peace. 
According to the Israel Factor scale, this position makes Hagel the current 
'worst' presidential candidate for Israel.  But what if it makes Hagel the 
best candidate for the United States?  Think about it.



It is not a question of whether the Israel Lobby exists in the United States 
and influences U.S. foreign policy towards the Middle East.  Its existence 
is incontrovertibly evident.  The only question that remains unanswered is 
how to accurately quantify the threat that the Israel Lobby poses to the 
sovereignty of the United States and the scant remaining liberties and 
freedoms of the American people.  The fact that there is an Israel Factor to 
consider regarding U.S. presidential candidates and our nation's 
presidential elections is all the evidence needed to conclude that the 
Israel Lobby has crossed well beyond the constitutional threshold of free 
speech, and has clearly encroached into the realm of espionage.



The impact and overreaching ability of the Israel Lobby to infiltrate and 
influence U.S. politics was made more evident recently by a particular 
question asked only to Barack Obama during the April 26, 2007 Democratic 
Presidential Candidate Debate held at South Carolina State University in 
Orangeburg, South Carolina.  This was an Israel Lobby loyalty test and 
Barack Obama failed it.



The moment I heard the question, I knew it was a set up.  As soon as I heard 
NBC anchor and debate monitor Brian Williams ask it, I said out loud, "You 
had better say Israel or you're done Obama!



Here's the transcript.



Brian Williams: We have to do a little bit of housekeeping here, and that is 
this.  Our NBC stations across the state of South Carolina have been 
carrying this live on over-the-air and cable television.  We're going to say 
goodbye to them.  We will continue on MSNBC, on cable and the Internet with 
our conversation.



This brings us into the final half-hour of tonight's conversation, and we're 
going to shift categories now to what we are calling non-Iraq foreign 
policy.



Senator Obama, what are America's three most important allies around the 
world?



Senator Obama: Well, I think the European Union as a whole has been a 
long-standing ally of ours.  And through NATO, we've been able to make some 
significant progress.  Afghanistan, in particular, is an area where we 
should be focusing.  NATO has made real contributions there.  Unfortunately, 
because of the distraction of Iraq, we have not finished the job in terms of 
making certain that we are driving back the Taliban, stabilizing the Karzai 
government, capturing bin Laden and making sure that we've rooted out 
terrorism in that region.  We also have to look east, because increasingly 
the center of gravity in this world is shifting to Asia.  Japan has been an 
outstanding ally of ours for many years, but obviously China is rising, and 
it's not going away.  They're neither our enemy nor our friend.  They're 
competitors.  But we have to make sure that we have military-to-military 
contact and forge enough of a relationship with them that we can stabilize 
the region.  That's something I'd like to do as president.



Brian Williams: Senator, thanks.  I'll give up a follow-up.  I didn't hear 
you mention Israel, and I ask because there is a quote attributed to your 
name.  You said recently, "No one is suffering more than the Palestinian 
people."  Do you stand by that remark?



Senator Obama: Well, keep in mind what the remark, actually, if you have the 
whole thing, said.  What I said is, nobody has suffered more than the 
Palestinian people from the failure of the Palestinian leadership to 
recognize Israel, to renounce violence and to get serious about negotiated 
peace and security for the region.  Israel has been one of our most 
important allies around the world.  It's the only established democracy in 
the Middle East.  But the United States has to get engaged in this region, 
and that's something that this president has not done.  That's something 
that I intend to do.



Brian Williams: Time is up, Senator.



Please consider the follow-up question by Brian Williams.  It was written on 
a cue card.  It was prepared in advance.  It was scripted.  Obviously it was 
anticipated that Obama would most likely not mention Israel as one of 
America's top three allies - why would he?  The fact is that Israel is not 
and has never been one of America's top three allies.



I didn't hear you mention Israel, and I ask because there is a quote 
attributed to your name.  You said recently, "No one is suffering more than 
the Palestinian people."  Do you stand by that remark?



And why did MSNBC find it necessary to weave an unrelated, yet factually 
accurate quote by Obama regarding the current suffering of the Palestinian 
people into its attempt to measure Obama's loyalty to the Zionist state? 
What or who could have prompted the producers and editors at MSNBC to troll 
in such murky water?  Clearly, the Palestinian people are suffering.  So why 
wouldn't Obama stand behind that statement?



I didn't hear you mention Israel.



And I ask because there is a quote attributed to your name.



You said recently.



"No one is suffering more than the Palestinian people."



Do you stand by that remark?



The original question was Senator Obama, what are America's three most 
important allies around the world?



In short, Barack Obama answered, the European Union, NATO, and Japan / the 
greater Far East.  These would not have been my answers, but they are good 
answers all the same.



I didn't hear you mention Israel.



So what Brian Williams!  So what!  I didn't hear you or any of your 
producers identify the name[s], title[s], location[s], and contact 
information of the person[s] that suggested, approved, and inserted this 
treasonous question, on behalf of a foreign nation, into a national 
presidential candidate debate.



Best for Israel, Worst for Israel - the crisis in America has reached 
critical mass.  Best for Israel or worst for Israel should have no bearing 
whatsoever regarding who is elected President of the United States.  Best 
for the United States, Worst for the United States is all that should be 
considered.



Know your enemy, and remember the words of Thomas Jefferson.



The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of 
patriots and tyrants. It is it's natural manure.



It's well past time for some refreshing in this lost Constitutional 
Republic.



If the Israel Lobby and its media operatives are allowed to continue to 
infiltrate and frame our political debates and sabotage viable candidates 
that they deem not the best for Israel, then they have the power to control 
and censor the political messages heard in the United States.  Consequently, 
the American people will continue to have a tainted and corrupted opinion of 
their political candidates, and unbeknownst to the casual voter, will cast 
votes in favor of pre-approved candidates rather than the best candidate for 
the United States of America



This is the climatic prelude to tyranny.  It is unlikely that it can be 
stopped peacefully.  Only the blood of patriots and tyrants will break the 
stranglehold that grips our nation.



Make no mistake about it - this was a set up prompted by elements and / or 
operatives of the Israel Lobby.  It's a classic example of how it operates. 
There was nothing benign about it.  You are now a witness.




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On May 2, 12:25 pm, xxa...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> On May 2, 5:18 pm, "ElParedon"  wrote:
>
> >  If the new government of United States turns out to be anti Israel, you
> > will fi8nd out just how terrorist Jews can be!




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On May 2, 1:01 pm, kmc...@shell.vex.net (Kenneth McVay OBC) wrote:
> In article ,
>
> ElParedon  wrote:
> > WHAT DOES HE KNOW ABOUT ANYTHING?
>
> http://www.newtimesbpb.com/Issues/2006-09-21/news/feature.html
>
> Net Hate in Neverland
>
> To locals, he's a roadside instutition.

YOU BETTER BELIEVE IT ARSEHOLE



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From: Venceremos 
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On May 2, 2:33 pm, "Frank Arthur"  wrote:
> "Theodore Herzl"  wrote in message
>
> news:1178130690.722115.10480@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...> On May 1, 7:32 pm, "ElParedon"  wrote:
> >> Ukrainian university asks UN to 'close' Israel
> > Zionism (also known as ZioNazism or Judeofascism) was the basis upon
> > which Nazism was formed and is a philosophy of pure evil that must be
> > eliminated from the planet.   Israel does not represent Judaism or the
> > Jewish people, but an ideology of eugenics and racial discrimination
> > that has created a truly ugly regime that makes even Nazi Germany look
> > benign by comparison.
>
> And what you want is racially Pure Islam
NO THERE IS NO SUCH A RACE AS ISLAM, ARSEHOLE

where everyone must read the Quaran
"EL DIN A MUAMELA" RELIGION IS HOW YOU TREAT OTHERS, THAT IS WHAT
ISLAM IS ABOUT, AND NOTHING IN ISLAM IS COMPULSORY

> and be a Muslim or face death.
MUSLIMS HAVE LIVED TOGETHER WITH CHRISTIANS FOR THOUSAND YEARS WITHOUT
ANY HOLOFUCKS OR POGROMS




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LOS ANGELES, May 2, 2007 - Police Chief William J. Bratton said Wednesday 
some of the police tactics to clear immigration protesters from MacArthur 
Park were "inappropriate," as numerous news videos showed officers striking 
people with batons and firing rubber bllets into crowds that included 
children.


Images showed police hitting a television cameraman to the ground and 
shoving people who were walking away from officers at Tuesday's 
demonstration. Some injured people were seen in the videos, including a 
Hispanic man with a bleeding welt on his stomach.
Bratton promised an investigation, and said he would discuss the matter 
further at a press conference later Wednesday.

"Quite frankly, I was disturbed at what I saw," Bratton told KNX-AM. He said 
the actions of some officers "were inappropriate in terms of use of batons 
and possible use of nonlethal rounds fired."

The clash at MacArthur Park started after 6 p.m. when police tried to 
disperse demonstrators who had moved off the sidewalk onto the street. 
Authorities said several of the few thousand people still at the rally threw 
rocks and bottles at officers, who fired rubber bullets and used batons to 
push the crowd back onto the sidewalk.

"(Police) started moving in and forcing them out of the park, people with 
children, strollers," said Angela Sambrano, director of the Central American 
Resource Center.

Several people, including about a dozen officers, were hurt. About 10 people 
were taken to hospitals for treatment of injuries including cuts, 
authorities said. None of the injuries was believed to be serious. At least 
one person was arrested, but police have not released a name.

Maria Elena Durazo, the executive secretary-treasurer at the Los Angeles 
County Federation of Labor, said the trouble was instigated by "a group of 
anarchists, not associated with the rally."

Spanish-language TV station Telemundo said one of its reporters and three 
camera operators had been injured and taken to the hospital by police. 
Several news crews got caught up in the skirmish.

The Radio and Television News Association of Southern California called for 
an investigation.

"There is evidence that officers knocked reporters to the ground, used 
batons on photographers and damaged cameras, possibly motivated by anger 
over journalists photographing efforts by officers to control the movements 
of marchers," the group said in a statement.

Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa, who was traveling in El Salvador during a trade 
mission, said the incident was "a most unfortunate end to a peaceful day."

Protesters marched in cities from Miami to Detroit to San Antonio attempting 
to convince Congress to create a path to citizenship for the estimated 12 
million illegal immigrants in the U.S. Tuesday's protests were far smaller 
than similar demonstrations a year earlier that drew hundreds of thousands 
of people in some cities, including Los Angeles.




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"DoD"  wrote in message 
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> Israels... HaTikvah  "The Hope" (written in 1886)
>
> As long as the Jewish spirit is yearning deep in the heart,
> With eyes turned toward the East, looking toward Zion,
>
> Then our hope - the two-thousand-year-old hope - will not be lost:
>
> To be a free people in our land,
 GO BACK TO RUSSIA YOU SCUM!

OH I FORGOT RUSSIANS DON'T WANT GARBAGE, EITHER! 




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"Ariel"  wrote in message 
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> On May 2, 12:25 pm, Daniel Bernard 
> wrote:
>> On Wed, 2 May 2007 12:07:41 -0500, "DoD"  wrote:
>> >Israels... HaTikvah  "The Hope" (written in 1886)
>>
>> >As long as the Jewish spirit is yearning deep in the heart,
>> >With eyes turned toward the East,
>>
>> "East as in Moscow and the Urals"
>>
>> >looking toward Zion,
>>
>> "Just like in the crappy second and third Matrix movie"
>>
>> >Then our hope - the two-thousand-year-old hope - will not be lost:
>>
>> >To be a free people in our land,
>>
>> "And our land is Poland, Latvia and Lithuania!"
>>
>> Hey Iscariot, seeing as this shit has been cross posted to s.c.u, why
>> not give us a burst of the American national anthem?
>>
>> Also, why was this shit cross posted to s.c.e? Are you a fugging troll
>> or something?
>> --
>> amicalement,
>>
>> Daniel
>
> and what are you? a half french, braindead usernet nanny?
At least he is not stealing other people's land like kikes are doing 




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 You forgot your own Nazi anthem creepo! 




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"DoD"  wrote in message 
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> Since September 11, 2001, many of us have wondered: Where are the moderate
> Muslims?
YOU STILL ASSUME THAT MUSLIMS ATTACKED USA!

THEY DIDN'Y DOV ZAKHEIM, AND THE NEOCONS DID! 




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"hateharper"  wrote in message 
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> On May 2, 4:33 pm, "ElParedon"  wrote:
>> LOS ANGELES, May 2, 2007 - Police Chief William J. Bratton said Wednesday
>> some of the police tactics to clear immigration protesters from MacArthur
>> Park were "inappropriate," as numerous news videos showed officers 
>> striking
>> people with batons and firing rubber bllets into crowds that included
>> children.
>>
>> Images showed police hitting a television cameraman to the ground and
>> shoving people who were walking away from officers at Tuesday's
>> demonstration. Some injured people were seen in the videos, including a
>> Hispanic man with a bleeding welt on his stomach.
>> Bratton promised an investigation, and said he would discuss the matter
>> further at a press conference later Wednesday.
>>
>> "Quite frankly, I was disturbed at what I saw," Bratton told KNX-AM. He 
>> said
>> the actions of some officers "were inappropriate in terms of use of 
>> batons
>> and possible use of nonlethal rounds fired."
>>
>> The clash at MacArthur Park started after 6 p.m. when police tried to
>> disperse demonstrators who had moved off the sidewalk onto the street.
>> Authorities said several of the few thousand people still at the rally 
>> threw
>> rocks and bottles at officers, who fired rubber bullets and used batons 
>> to
>> push the crowd back onto the sidewalk.
>>
>> "(Police) started moving in and forcing them out of the park, people with
>> children, strollers," said Angela Sambrano, director of the Central 
>> American
>> Resource Center.
>>
>> Several people, including about a dozen officers, were hurt. About 10 
>> people
>> were taken to hospitals for treatment of injuries including cuts,
>> authorities said. None of the injuries was believed to be serious. At 
>> least
>> one person was arrested, but police have not released a name.
>>
>> Maria Elena Durazo, the executive secretary-treasurer at the Los Angeles
>> County Federation of Labor, said the trouble was instigated by "a group 
>> of
>> anarchists, not associated with the rally."
>>
>> Spanish-language TV station Telemundo said one of its reporters and three
>> camera operators had been injured and taken to the hospital by police.
>> Several news crews got caught up in the skirmish.
>>
>> The Radio and Television News Association of Southern California called 
>> for
>> an investigation.
>>
>> "There is evidence that officers knocked reporters to the ground, used
>> batons on photographers and damaged cameras, possibly motivated by anger
>> over journalists photographing efforts by officers to control the 
>> movements
>> of marchers," the group said in a statement.
>>
>> Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa, who was traveling in El Salvador during a 
>> trade
>> mission, said the incident was "a most unfortunate end to a peaceful 
>> day."
>>
>> Protesters marched in cities from Miami to Detroit to San Antonio 
>> attempting
>> to convince Congress to create a path to citizenship for the estimated 12
>> million illegal immigrants in the U.S. Tuesday's protests were far 
>> smaller
>> than similar demonstrations a year earlier that drew hundreds of 
>> thousands
>> of people in some cities, including Los Angeles.
>
>
>
>
> that situation is a collosal mess and they better get it fixed fast or
> it will simply get worse

Tomorrow will be too late! 




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"Federal agencies used only a small fraction of the more than $800 million 
in Hurricane Katrina assistance offered by foreign governments, according to 
documents released Sunday by a private watchdog group. The rejected offers 
included medical teams, search-and-rescue units, body bags, bottled water, 
food, fuel and even specially trained rescue dogs from Poland, according to 
documents obtained by Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington." 




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"DoD"  wrote in message 
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>
> "ElParedon"  wrote in message
> news:0D6_h.22466$qB4.20816@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
>>
>> "DoD"  wrote in message
>> news:yz3_h.5505$dd.2702@newsread1.mlpsca01.us.to.verio.net...
>> > Israels... HaTikvah  "The Hope" (written in 1886)
>> >
>> > As long as the Jewish spirit is yearning deep in the heart,
>> > With eyes turned toward the East, looking toward Zion,
>> >
>> > Then our hope - the two-thousand-year-old hope - will not be lost:
>> >
>> > To be a free people in our land,
>>  GO BACK TO RUSSIA YOU SCUM!
>>
>> OH I FORGOT RUSSIANS DON'T WANT GARBAGE, EITHER!
>
> Aren't you Russian garbage? You keep lying about how your family was
> murdered in Russia. You never had any family murdered anywhere.

LISTEN FILTH! EVERYTHING I HAVE EVER SAID IS THE TRUTH THE WHOLE TRUTH AND 
NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH

> 




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"Ariel"  wrote in message 
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> On May 2, 2:44 pm, "DoD"  wrote:
>> "ElParedon"  wrote in message
>>
>> news:0D6_h.22466$qB4.20816@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
>>
>>
>>
>> > "DoD"  wrote in message
>> >news:yz3_h.5505$dd.2702@newsread1.mlpsca01.us.to.verio.net...
>> > > Israels... HaTikvah  "The Hope" (written in 1886)
>>
>> > > As long as the Jewish spirit is yearning deep in the heart,
>> > > With eyes turned toward the East, looking toward Zion,
>>
>> > > Then our hope - the two-thousand-year-old hope - will not be lost:
>>
>> > > To be a free people in our land,
>> >  GO BACK TO RUSSIA YOU SCUM!
>>
>> > OH I FORGOT RUSSIANS DON'T WANT GARBAGE, EITHER!
>>
>> Aren't you Russian garbage? You keep lying about how your family was
>> murdered in Russia. You never had any family murdered anywhere.
>
> the bastard lies thru his ears just to get the attention, to feel that
> people are responding to him. it's a defence mechanism

NEVER LIED ONCE ARSEHOLE, BUT YOU AND YOUR ZIONAZI HAVE LIED MILLION TIMES.

I GAVE YOU THE PLACE AND THE NAME, CHECK IT OUT 




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"ADL Reporter"  wrote in message 
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> http://adlnews.us/french_candidates_jta_5-2-07.pdf

Unlike in US, French do have a democracy, and do not use puppets in the 
Supreme Court to appoint the creep to Presidency 




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911 truth is spreading like a jungle fire. If you insist on remaining
an ignorant, un-informed and ill-informed academic, thats YOUR own
choice.

"http://www.lmd.no/index.php?article=1408"

For a full review the best and most advertised videos
on "www.911blogger.com" by the scholar Webster Tarpley are here:

"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbS7hAxJ954"
"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Gl3EDVmCyU&NR"
"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=reKa2jSdNGc"

Norway's Le Monde Diplo publishes Griffin's Rebuttal to Cockburn
Submitted by Reprehensor on Wed, 03/14/2007 - 3:24pm.
David Ray Griffin | Le Monde Diplo

Official English translation below, this has not been published in the
French main paper, Le Monde Diplomatique;

The Truly Distracting 9/11 Conspiracy Theory

[12.03.07] Alexander Cockburn's "US: The Conspiracy That Wasn't,"
which is an attack on the 9/11 truth movement, is faulty in virtually
every respect. He calls me one of the movement's "high priests," as if
it were a religious movement, rather than a fact-based movement that
involves scientists, engineers, pilots, war veterans, politicians,
philosophers, former air traffic controllers, former defense
ministers, and former CIA analysts.

Dr. David Ray Griffin

He calls us "conspiracists," ignoring the fact that in defending the
government's account, he is defending the original 9/11 conspiracy
theory. In claiming that the Bush administration and the military are
too incompetent to have organized the 9/11 attacks, he gives an
argument that could equally well be used to prove that they could not
have organized the military assaults on Afghanistan and Iraq. In
claiming that bin Laden took credit for the attacks, Cockburn appears
not to be aware that in the video on which this claim is primarily
based, the man playing Osama bin Laden is heavier and darker than the
bin Laden of all undoubtedly authentic videos, or that the FBI's "Most
Wanted Terrorist" page on bin Laden does not mention 9/11---because,
an FBI spokesman explained, "the FBI has no hard evidence connecting
Bin Laden to 9/11." Although Cockburn says that members of our
movement are "immune to reality check," he endorses the official
theory of the collapses of the Twin Towers, which can be held only by
ignoring an enormous number of facts. He says the towers were poorly
built, whereas in reality they were built to withstand virtually any
eventuality, including being hit by large airliners. He says the
towers collapsed because of being struck by planes loaded with jet
fuel, but WTC 7, which was not struck by a plane, also collapsed. In
rejecting the claim that explosives had been planted, Cockburn ignores
the fact that 118 members of the Fire Department gave testimony
indicating that explosives had gone off. (I quoted 31 of these, along
with journalists and WTC employees, in an essay entitled "Explosive
Testimony.) The official theory about these buildings, which Cockburn
defends, is contradicted by all prior history, in which total
collapses of steel-frame high-rise buildings have never been caused by
externally caused damage plus fire, even when the fires were much
bigger and lasted much longer.

The idea that explosives were used is further strengthened by the many
features of the collapses:

1. They were symmetrical, straight-down collapses, meaning that all
287 columns in each of the towers (47 massive core columns and 240
perimeter columns) and all 81 columns in WTC 7 had to collapse
simultaneously. To believe that this could have been caused by fire,
which was not spread evenly throughout any of the buildings, is to
believe in a miracle.

2. The collapses were total, with each skyscraper collapsing into a
pile of rubble only a few stories high. Accordingly, each of the steel
columns had to be sliced into many pieces---which is what explosives
do in controlled implosions.

3. Virtually all of the concrete and furniture was pulverized into
extremely fine dust particles (which created huge dust clouds). Fire
plus gravity would not have provided nearly enough energy to do this.

4. At the beginning of the collapse of each of the Twin Towers, which
started near the top, steel beams were ejected out horizontally as far
as 600 feet. Gravitational energy, which is vertical, cannot begin to
explain these massive horizontal ejections. (In his companion essay,
"Conspiracy Disproved," Cockburn suggests, incredibly, that nothing
was ejected other than "puffs of smoke." He also seems unaware that
signs of explosions occurred near the impact point, not simply 20 to
60 floors lower, and falsely assumes that the timing of the explosions
would have to be determined beforehand.)

5. All three buildings came down at virtually free-fall speed, meaning
that the lower floors, with all their steel and concrete, were
providing no resistance to the upper floors. Cockburn says: "There is
not the slightest need to postulate pre-placed explosive charges to
explain why the towers collapsed at near free-fall speeds." But that
claim violates basic laws of physics.

5. For many weeks afterwards, pools of molten metal were found under
each building. Steel does not begin to melt until it reaches about
1,540°C, whereas the fires could not have been over 1000°C.

In "Conspiracy Disproved," Cockburn endorses the report put out by the
National Institute for Standards and Technology (NIST). But this
report by this Bush administration agency is completely unscientific,
announcing conclusions that radically contradict the data provided in
its supporting volumes. Although I have focused here on the World
Trade Center, there is strong evidence against every other dimension
of the official conspiracy theory, which I have presented in The New
Pearl Harbor and The 9/11 Commission Report: Omissions and
Distortions. In the latter book, I showed that the Commission's report
contains at least 115 lies of omission and distortion. Cockburn
appears to be unwilling to look at such evidence because he is
convinced that the effort to show 9/11 to have been an inside job is a
distraction from really important matters. However, if 9/11 was indeed
an inside job, then what could be more important than exposing this
fact? The idea that America was attacked by foreign terrorists on 9/11
has been used to justify the war in Iraq and virtually every other way
in which the United States has made the world an uglier, more
dangerous place since 9/11. It has also been used to distract
attention from the problem of global warming, which is the really
serious threat to human civilization. The official conspiracy theory
about 9/11, in other words, is the true distraction.





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http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=103786 




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 YOU STILL CLAIM THAT JEWS ARE SEMITES!  WHAT A FUCKING IDIOT! 




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 > I'm so baffled at your clever use of the word Bin that I'm going to
> start calling BinAlex from now on. how's that? clever, eh?
FRANKLY, I DO NOT GIVE A SHIT WHAT YOU DO, ARIEL!

http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=103786 




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SIXTH AMENDMENT IS NO LONGER THE LAW OF THE LAND, and do not laugh you may 
be taking his place next!

The Sham of the Padilla Trial
Jacob G. Hornberger, MWCNews



      May 2, 2007

      Jury selection in the Jose Padilla case is now under way in federal 
district court in Miami, but the trial is nothing more than a sham. Why? 
Because no matter how the jury rules, Padilla is almost certain to remain 
incarcerated for a long time.

      If Padilla is convicted by the jury, the judge will likely sentence 
him to serve much of the rest of his life in a federal penitentiary for 
having conspired to violate federal criminal laws against terrorism.

      On the other hand, if Padilla is acquitted, the U.S. military is 
likely to exercise its post-9/11-acquired power to declare Americans (and 
foreigners) "enemy combatants" in the war on terror and throw Padilla back 
into a military dungeon. That is where he was before the government, as part 
of a clever legal maneuver that was obviously designed to avoid Supreme 
Court review of Padilla's request for habeas-corpus relief, converted him 
>from an "enemy combatant" in the war on terror to a federal-court criminal 
defendant charged with violating federal terrorism laws.

      While the military, of course, could decline to exercise its power to 
retake Padilla into custody after an acquittal by the jury, that course of 
action is unlikely given the government's repeated assertion that Padilla is 
one of the world's most dangerous terrorists.

      So either way the jury rules -- guilty or not guilty -- the result is 
almost certain to be the same -- Padilla's stay in jail is likely to be 
greatly prolonged.

      Prior to 9/11, if a criminal defendant, including one accused of 
terrorism, was found not guilty by a federal jury, he would walk out of 
court a free man. That was the whole idea behind the right of trial by jury 
that was guaranteed by the Sixth Amendment. However, the government's 
post-9/11 "enemy-combatant" doctrine, which was upheld by the conservative 
Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals in Padilla's habeas corpus proceedings, 
revolutionized our judicial system by giving the military the power to take 
Americans (and foreigners) into custody as "enemy combatants," including 
those who have been acquitted of terrorism charges by a duly selected and 
impaneled jury in federal district court.

      Obviously, the government would prefer that Padilla be convicted by 
the jury because then the citizenry can simply assume that the federal 
system is operating normally. No alarm bells would go off, as they would if 
U.S. military officials carted Padilla out of federal court after a jury 
announced a verdict of "not guilty."

      If the military should reclaim custody of Padilla after a jury in 
federal district court has acquitted him, everyone will be able to easily 
recognize the raw military power that now hangs over the American citizenry, 
including the power to orchestrate sham criminal justice proceedings in 
federal district court, ignore federal jury verdicts, and indefinitely 
incarcerate Americans (and foreigners) accused of terrorism in some military 
hellhole.

      Those who traded away our rights and freedoms for safety after 9/11 
would undoubtedly respond to all this with "So what if the military now 
wields omnipotent power over the citizenry? Security is more important than 
freedom. Anyway, the military can be trusted not to abuse its powers over 
the citizenry, and federal officials have promised to restore our rights and 
freedoms as soon as the terrorist crisis is over."

      Those American ancestors of ours who crafted the Sixth Amendment and 
the rest of the Bill of Rights and the Constitution, who understood that the 
biggest threat to the freedom and well-being of the American people was the 
federal government, and who never would have dreamed of trading their 
freedom for safety, must be turning over in their graves.

      Jacob Hornberger is founder and president of The Future of Freedom 
Foundation (www.fff.org).





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 HOLY SHIT, I AM GOING TO STAMP EVERY SQUARE OF TOILET PAPER WITH A JEWISH 
STAR TO CELEBRATE 




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"LC"  wrote in message 
news:vq9i3396p4mndn3767vf87thhufq0taurs@4ax.com...
> So far Germany has paid over DM 120,000,000,000 in reparations. And
> the number is increasing. In March 1952, just days before the
> negotiations with Germany began, Yohanan Bader said: "Suppose they pay
> you for six million Jews, but when the reparations period is over, . .
> . where will you get six million more Jews so that you can get more
> money?" ... Haim Landau called out in Yiddish to Shmuel Dayan (Mapei):
> A glik hot unz getrofen (lucky us!) six million Jews were murdered and
> we can get some money."

I am still wondering where did Jews get "six million" to lie about since 
there were less than 4 million in the Hitler occupied Europe! 




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 wrote in message 
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> http://www.thetrumpet.com
>
> Click on 'Iraqi WMD: The Real Missing Debate.'
CRAP! CRAP! CRAP! 




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A Monstrous War Crime [Iraq]
With more than 650,000 civilians dead in Iraq, our government must take 
responsibility for its lies
by Richard Horton
The Guardian, March 28, 2007


Our collective failure has been to take our political leaders at their word. 
This week the BBC reported that the government's own scientists advised 
ministers that the Johns Hopkins study on Iraq civilian mortality was 
accurate and reliable, following a freedom of information request by the 
reporter Owen Bennett-Jones. This paper was published in the Lancet last 
October. It estimated that 650,000 Iraqi civilians had died since the 
American and British led invasion in March 2003.
Immediately after publication, the prime minister's official spokesman said 
that the Lancet's study "was not one we believe to be anywhere near 
accurate". The foreign secretary, Margaret Beckett, said that the Lancet 
figures were "extrapolated" and a "leap". President Bush said: "I don't 
consider it a credible report".
Scientists at the UK's Department for International Development thought 
differently. They concluded that the study's methods were "tried and 
tested". Indeed, the Johns Hopkins approach would likely lead to an 
"underestimation of mortality".
The Ministry of Defence's chief scientific adviser said the research was 
"robust", close to "best practice", and "balanced". He recommended "caution 
in publicly criticising the study".
When these recommendations went to the prime minister's advisers, they were 
horrified. One person briefing Tony Blair wrote: "Are we really sure that 
the report is likely to be right? That is certainly what the brief implies?" 
A Foreign and Commonwealth Office official was forced to conclude that the 
government "should not be rubbishing the Lancet".
The prime minister's adviser finally gave in. He wrote: "The survey 
methodology used here cannot be rubbished, it is a tried and tested way of 
measuring mortality in conflict zones".
How would the government respond? Would it welcome the Johns Hopkins study 
as an important contribution to understanding the military threat to Iraqi 
civilians? Would it ask for urgent independent verification? Would it invite 
the Iraqi government to upgrade civilian security?
Of course, our government did none of these things. Tony Blair was advised 
to say: "The overriding message is that there are no accurate or reliable 
figures of deaths in Iraq".
His official spokesman went further and rejected the Johns Hopkins report 
entirely. It was a shameful and cowardly dissembling by a Labour - yes, by a 
Labour - prime minister.
Indeed, it was even contrary to the US's own Iraq Study Group report, which 
concluded last year that "there is significant underreporting of the 
violence in Iraq".
This Labour government, which includes Gordon Brown as much as it does Tony 
Blair, is party to a war crime of monstrous proportions. Yet our political 
consensus prevents any judicial or civil society response. Britain is 
paralysed by its own indifference.
At a time when we are celebrating our enlightened abolition of slavery 200 
years ago, we are continuing to commit one of the worst international abuses 
of human rights of the past half-century. It is inexplicable how we allowed 
this to happen. It is inexplicable why we are not demanding this 
government's mass resignation.
Two hundred years from now, the Iraq war will be mourned as the moment when 
Britain violated its delicate democratic constitution and joined the ranks 
of nations that use extreme pre-emptive killing as a tactic of foreign 
policy. Some anniversary that will be.

Richard Horton is a doctor and the editor of the Lancet
Richard.Horton@lancet.com 


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A Monstrous War Crime [Iraq]
With more than 650,000 civilians dead in Iraq, our government must take 
responsibility for its lies
by Richard Horton
The Guardian, March 28, 2007


Our collective failure has been to take our political leaders at their word. 
This week the BBC reported that the government's own scientists advised 
ministers that the Johns Hopkins study on Iraq civilian mortality was 
accurate and reliable, following a freedom of information request by the 
reporter Owen Bennett-Jones. This paper was published in the Lancet last 
October. It estimated that 650,000 Iraqi civilians had died since the 
American and British led invasion in March 2003.
Immediately after publication, the prime minister's official spokesman said 
that the Lancet's study "was not one we believe to be anywhere near 
accurate". The foreign secretary, Margaret Beckett, said that the Lancet 
figures were "extrapolated" and a "leap". President Bush said: "I don't 
consider it a credible report".
Scientists at the UK's Department for International Development thought 
differently. They concluded that the study's methods were "tried and 
tested". Indeed, the Johns Hopkins approach would likely lead to an 
"underestimation of mortality".
The Ministry of Defence's chief scientific adviser said the research was 
"robust", close to "best practice", and "balanced". He recommended "caution 
in publicly criticising the study".
When these recommendations went to the prime minister's advisers, they were 
horrified. One person briefing Tony Blair wrote: "Are we really sure that 
the report is likely to be right? That is certainly what the brief implies?" 
A Foreign and Commonwealth Office official was forced to conclude that the 
government "should not be rubbishing the Lancet".
The prime minister's adviser finally gave in. He wrote: "The survey 
methodology used here cannot be rubbished, it is a tried and tested way of 
measuring mortality in conflict zones".
How would the government respond? Would it welcome the Johns Hopkins study 
as an important contribution to understanding the military threat to Iraqi 
civilians? Would it ask for urgent independent verification? Would it invite 
the Iraqi government to upgrade civilian security?
Of course, our government did none of these things. Tony Blair was advised 
to say: "The overriding message is that there are no accurate or reliable 
figures of deaths in Iraq".
His official spokesman went further and rejected the Johns Hopkins report 
entirely. It was a shameful and cowardly dissembling by a Labour - yes, by a 
Labour - prime minister.
Indeed, it was even contrary to the US's own Iraq Study Group report, which 
concluded last year that "there is significant underreporting of the 
violence in Iraq".
This Labour government, which includes Gordon Brown as much as it does Tony 
Blair, is party to a war crime of monstrous proportions. Yet our political 
consensus prevents any judicial or civil society response. Britain is 
paralysed by its own indifference.
At a time when we are celebrating our enlightened abolition of slavery 200 
years ago, we are continuing to commit one of the worst international abuses 
of human rights of the past half-century. It is inexplicable how we allowed 
this to happen. It is inexplicable why we are not demanding this 
government's mass resignation.
Two hundred years from now, the Iraq war will be mourned as the moment when 
Britain violated its delicate democratic constitution and joined the ranks 
of nations that use extreme pre-emptive killing as a tactic of foreign 
policy. Some anniversary that will be.

Richard Horton is a doctor and the editor of the Lancet
Richard.Horton@lancet.com 


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      Blackwater has turned into the largest private military base in the 
world with a fleet of 20 aircraft and 20,000 soldiers.


      May 2, 2007

      CAIRO - Many has been written about the privatization of the Iraq war, 
but in his new bestseller book Jeremy Scahill sheds much needed light on the 
ideological roots of the largest US private mercenary firm and its links to 
the theocons and the Christian militia Sovereign Military Order of Malta.

      The book, Blackwater: The Rise of the World's Most Powerful Mercenary 
Army, exposes the infiltrating influence of the North Carolina-based largest 
private mercenary firm.

      Scahill writes that the company, envisioning itself as the FedEx of 
defense and security operations, currently has over $500 million in US 
government contracts, not including secret "black budget" contracts for US 
intelligence agencies.

      It has a $300-million contract with the State Department, dating back 
to 2003 when it secured a no-bid contract to guard then Iraq Administrator 
Paul Bremer.

      Blackwater has deployed thousands of highly trained private soldiers 
in Iraq and Afghanistan.

      In early 2004, four of them were ambushed, burned and their bodies 
left dangling for hours from a bridge in Fallujah, western Baghdad, 
triggering massive reprisal onslaughts against the town.

      Established in 1996, Blackwater has turned into the largest private 
military base in the world with a fleet of 20 aircraft and 20,000 soldiers 
on the stand-by.

      According to a Government Accountability Office report private 
contractors constitute the second-largest "force" in Iraq with no less than 
48,000 private soldiers who operate with no legal constraints and whose 
deaths are not listed in the Pentagon death tally.

      Theocons

      Scahill writes that Blackwater's founder and chairman, the secretive, 
neo-crusader mega-millionaire Erik Prince, is a major bankroller of 
President George Bush.

      Since 1998, he has contributed $200,000 to Republican candidates.

      Prince, writes Scahill, shows how "politically powerful Christian 
fundamentalists and Neocons are pressing forward with their battle for what 
they call 'freedom' and 'democracy.'"

      He has connections with conservative Catholic groups and funds 
rightwing organizations through his Freiheit Foundation.

      Prince has also associated the mission of Blackwater with the theocon 
movement, a conservative ideology based on the belief that religion should 
play a major role in forming public policy.

      "Everybody carries guns, just like the Prophet Jeremiah rebuilding the 
temple in Israel - a sword in one hand and a trowel in the other," he once 
said.

      According to the Wikipedia encyclopedia, the theocon term refers to 
members of the Christian right, particularly those whose ideology is a 
synthesis of elements of American conservatism, Conservative Christianity 
and social conservatism, expressed through political means.

      "The theocons, too, argue that America is rooted in an idea, but they 
believe that idea is Christianity," Jacob Heilbrunn wrote in 1996 in an 
article entitled Neocon v. Theocon.

      In 2006, Damon Linker published a book entitled "The Theocons: Secular 
America Under Siege".

      Crusades Ideology

      Senior Blackwater executives such as Joseph Schmitz do not only 
subscribe to the theocon ideology but are also members of the Sovereign 
Military Order of Malta, a Christian militia that had a mission of defending 
territories the Crusaders captured from Muslims.

      Before joining Blackwater as Chief Operating Officer and General 
Counsel in 2005, Schmitz oversaw all war contracts in Iraq and Afghanistan.

      He was the former Pentagon Inspector General during the first years of 
the Iraq war.

      Schmitz, says Scahill, "comes from one of the most bizarre, 
scandal-plagued, right-wing political families in US history."

      The Sovereign Military Order of Malta began as a Christian charity in 
Al-Quds in 1080 to provide care for poor and sick pilgrims to the Holy Land.

      After the conquest of the holy city in 1095 during the First Crusade 
it became a Catholic Military Order.

      After the Muslims restored Al-Quds, the Order operated from Rhodes and 
later from Malta where it administered a vassal state under the Spanish 
viceroy of Sicily.

      The Order's fighters, known as the Knights Hospitaller, helped the 
Crusaders in raids on Muslim countries near the coasts of Italy, including 
Tunisia, Libya and Morocco.

      The Sovereign Military Order of Malta is now a state located in Rome 
and is recognized by 50 countries worldwide.

      It is accused of conducting massive missionary work in troubled 
regions in Muslim countries like Sudan's Darfur under the guise of aid and 
charity.

      Its locals or members must take a solemn oath reading: "I will provide 
myself with arms and ammunition that I may be in readiness when the word is 
passed, or I am commanded to defend the church either as an individual or 
with the militia of the Pope."








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"BOLUDOVSKY"  wrote in message 
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> "torresdD"  dixit:
>
>> http://newsforums.bbc.co.uk/nol/thread.jspa?threadID=6243&&edition=2&tt
>> l=20070503090331
>
> As long as the original goals of the war were utterly unrealistic, return
> of the kidnapped soldiers and crush the Hizballah, Israel did very badly.
> However, after the war, the Hizballah payed a heavier toll than Israel in
> terms of military and political standing.

SHIT YEAH!  THEY HAVE ABOUT TEN TIMES AS MANY SOPHISTICATED WEAPONRY AS 
BEFORE, AND PEOPLE OF LEBANON SUPPORT THEM MUCH MORE THAN THE PUPPETS 




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"cactus"  wrote in message 
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> LC wrote:
>> So far Germany has paid over DM 120,000,000,000 in reparations. And
>> the number is increasing. In March 1952, just days before the
>> negotiations with Germany began, Yohanan Bader said: "Suppose they pay
>> you for six million Jews, but when the reparations period is over, . .
>> . where will you get six million more Jews so that you can get more
>> money?" ... Haim Landau called out in Yiddish to Shmuel Dayan (Mapei):
>> A glik hot unz getrofen (lucky us!) six million Jews were murdered and
>> we can get some money."

He said: "Luck has found us". There was no reason for any reparations. 
Majority of the Jews were very poor artizans in Eastern Europe, and they 
lied about the number of them killed. There is not one iota of evidence to 
confirm the claim of "six million" or even one million.
Proportianally, all Europeans lost about 10% of their population to the Nazi 
war machine and so did the Jews.

For example; 3 million Poles were killed by the Nazis, Jews simply count 
Poles as "Jews". 




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"Mich"  wrote in message 
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>
> "Art Franks"  wrote in message 
> news:5l0i33heblh80tc8jpfn4fnkp8ldbcjf00@4ax.com...
>> On 9 Feb 2007 16:31:18 -0800, "Venceremos"  wrote:
>>
>>>He has never been to Europe, he has not lived under Nazi regime, he
>>>has no idea what he is talking about. IN OTHER WORDS MC VAY IS A
>>>BLOODY LIAR.
>>
>>>HE LIES LIKE A SKUNK
>>
>>>Most Jews that stayed behind after Nazi occupied countries became Nazi
>>>supporters, and many joined Nazi party. Example Deputy chief of
>>>gestapo in Belgrade was Vladimir Ostrovsky, a Jew.
>>>The reason Nazis took some Jews to Germany because they knew that Jews
>>>would work for them unquestioningly, and Jews did, The Messeschmidt
>>>factory in Gyor Hungary employed Jews almost exclusively!
>>
>>>SO SUCK ON IT MCVAY, NANAIMO PEOPLE KNOW THE BASTARD FULL WELL. THEY
>>>REGARD HIM AS A BUM AND A NO HOPER
>
> Search Google for "Vladimir Ostrovsky Belgrade gestapo" and you will 
> realize that it's another one of Alex's lies. Alex, why do you make it so 
> easy for people to discover that you are an idiot?

Oh, do you think that Jews used their own names when working for the Gestapo 
or any other terrorist entity?
It just so happens I know the scum personally! 




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"Mich"  wrote in message 
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>
> "Art Franks"  wrote in message 
> news:5l0i33heblh80tc8jpfn4fnkp8ldbcjf00@4ax.com...
>> On 9 Feb 2007 16:31:18 -0800, "Venceremos"  wrote:
>>
>>>He has never been to Europe, he has not lived under Nazi regime, he
>>>has no idea what he is talking about. IN OTHER WORDS MC VAY IS A
>>>BLOODY LIAR.
>>
>>>HE LIES LIKE A SKUNK
>>
>>>Most Jews that stayed behind after Nazi occupied countries became Nazi
>>>supporters, and many joined Nazi party. Example Deputy chief of
>>>gestapo in Belgrade was Vladimir Ostrovsky, a Jew.
>>>The reason Nazis took some Jews to Germany because they knew that Jews
>>>would work for them unquestioningly, and Jews did, The Messeschmidt
>>>factory in Gyor Hungary employed Jews almost exclusively!
>>
>>>SO SUCK ON IT MCVAY, NANAIMO PEOPLE KNOW THE BASTARD FULL WELL. THEY
>>>REGARD HIM AS A BUM AND A NO HOPER
>
> Search Google for " Messeschmidt factory hungary" and you will realize
> that it's another one of Alex's lies. Alex, why do you make it so easy for
> people to discover that you are a lying idiot?
You have to learn how to spell Messerschmidt, you uneducated, stupid Jew:

Aircraft Photos of Hungarian Military Aircraft
(from László Jávor, Ferenc Zsák, and Péter Mujzer)


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WWI and earlier pictures (from László Jávor)

  a.. Lohner BIII (Type E), Dm 100 motor, Nr 14.14
  b.. Ufag C.I., H 230 motor, Nr 161.07
  c.. Crashed Brandenburg D.I(Ph) Type KD, Dm 185, Nr 28.67
  d.. Crashed 28.67, another view
  e.. Albatros D.III
  f.. Brandenburg C.I
  g.. Crashed
  h.. Before a Brandenburg CI
  i.. Brandenburg C.I(Br), Merz 160,Nr. 63.74, left side view
  j.. Aircraft workshop
  k.. Lohner C.I, Dm 160, Nr. 18.59
  l.. Very early Austro-Hungarian insignia, Albatros Nr 28

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Hungarian People's Republic  (from László Jávor)

  a.. Crashed Brandenburg
  b.. Fokker F VII, H-08
  c.. Phonix C.I, H-HP.2 crashed

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Hungarian Air Force, pre-1945 period  (from László Jávor)






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IDIOT! YOU STILL THINK THAT JEWS ARE SEMITES, AND SAUDIS ARE NOT!

"DoD"  wrote in message 
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> Following is an excerpt from an antisemitic satirical program, which aired 
> on MBC TV on April 19, 2007:
>
> Elisa: I've used five grams of sugar this month. Five grams? That's too 
> much, Elisha. Keep it down, you've become a big spender.
>
> Friend: Help me, Elisha. Elisha, help!
>
> Elisha: What's happened? Is your store on fire, or have they raised the 
> taxes?
>
> Friend: No, my friend. Everything is great, and our shares are on the 
> rise.
>
> Elisha: You gave me a fright, my friend.
>
> Friend: Yes, my friend. Yes.
>
> Elisha: What's wrong with your eye?
>
> Friend: What can I say, Elisha? Yesterday, I slept next to the baby, may 
> God burn him. He has gas, and he blinded my eye.
>
> Elisha: God forbid, stay away from me.
>
> Friend: We're facing a disaster, Elisha.
>
> Elisha: As long as you and me are OK, I'm not worried about any disaster.
>
> Friend: It's written in the papers. Katsav is over and done with. They got 
> rid of him after the scandal.
>
> Elisha: He deserves it, my friend.
>
> Friend: But the problem, Elisha, is who will lead the country, my friend.
>
> Elisha: Whoever is elected by the people, my friend. We are a democratic 
> country.
>
> Friend: True.
>
> Elisha: My friend, I will nominate myself as a candidate for president of 
> the republic.
>
> Friend: Shame on you, Elisha, it was on the tip of my tongue. I came to 
> tell you that I would nominate myself as a candidate.
>
> Elisha: No, my friend, I said it first. Let's not ruing our relationship, 
> my friend.
>
> Friend: Fine, my friend. Nominate yourself. But can you guarantee success 
> in the elections?
>
> Elisha: Of course. Success is 100% guaranteed.
>
> Friend: How come?
>
> Elisha: I will tell you. The thieves and the highway robbers - who will 
> they vote for?
>
> Friend: They won't find anyone better than you.
>
> Elisha: The extremists and the racists - who will they vote for?
>
> Friend: There is nobody else but you, my friend.
>
> Elisha: OK. Now tell me, the lowlifes and the criminals - who will they 
> vote for?
>
> Friend: Nobody is more of a lowlife than you, Elisha.
>
> Elisha: OK, the punks and the bums - who will they vote for?
>
> Friend: What can I say? No one is more of a bum than you.
>
> Elisha: My friend, the only ones left are the unemployed, the sons of 
> bitches, and the perverts - and who will they vote for?
>
> Friend: Even if they toured all of Israel, they wouldn't find anyone more 
> perverted than you, my friend.
>
> Elisha: Give me a kiss.
>
> Friend: So my friend, who is left in Israel that I've forgotten? Everybody 
> will vote for me.
>
> Friend: To be honest, my friend, that's it. There is nobody else.
>
> Elisha: You see, my friend, success is 99% guaranteed.
>
> Friend: What a shame, Elisha. If I were to nominate myself as a candidate, 
> I would get 100%
>
> http://www.memritv.org/Transcript.asp?P1=1438
>
> 




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> Lovely Saudi Barbaria.
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>                      BOLUDOVSKY
>
>
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"cactus"  wrote in message 
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>J Young wrote:
>> It is this type of predictable corruption that keeps various
>> governments, organizations, and even individuals such as myself from
>> donating funds to holocaust education groups.
>>
> You hypocrite - you would never make a donation to such an organization 
> anyway.

BRAINWASHING FUNDS? 




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BUILT BY THE JEWS
The Messerschmitt Bf 109 G
Date : 16. Jun. 1998
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

During the spring and summer of 1942 the assembly lines began to switch to 
the production of the Bf 109 G, deliveries of which commenced in the late 
summer of 1942 and which was appearing on all war fronts by the end of that 
year. With the phasing out of the Bf 109 F-series , the basic Bf 109 design 
might be considered to have passed the peak of its development, for with the 
introduction of the Bf 109 G-series the constant opertional demands for 
increased fire pwer and additional equipment brought with them a serious 
deterioration in the fighter's flying characteristics. The Bf 109 G could 
not be flown in a landing circuit with flaps and undercarriage down other 
than at full throttle, and experienced German operational pilots have 
described its landing charactreistics as malicious. Nevertheless, some 70 
per cent of all the Bf 109 fighters produced during the war years were of 
the Bf 109 G-series.

The most important change denoted by the introduction of the Bf 109 G was 
the installation of the more powerful Daimler Benz DB 605 A engine in which 
the cylinder block had been re-designed to obtain the maximum possible bore 
with the existing cylinder centers, the permissible rpm increased, and 
numerous other changes made in comparison with the Daimler Benz DB 601. 
These changes resulted in an output of 1085 kW (1475 HP) at 2800 rpm at 
sea-level, and 995 kW (1355 HP) at 5700 m (13700 feet). However, this engine 
was not available for the installation in the twelve pre-production Bf 109 
G-0 fighters which retained the Daimler Benz DB 601 E engine of the 
preceding production model. The Bf 109 G-0 was fitted with a pressurized 
cockpit, a feature which was becoming increasingly necessary in view of the 
altitudes to which air combat had by that time risen, and this also fitted 
in the first production model, the Bf 109 G-1, which was powered by the 
Daimler Benz DB 605 A-1 engine with GM-1 power boost.

The Bf 109 G-1 which was dubbed Gustav by its pilots, carried a single 
engine-mounted 20 mm MG 151 cannon and two MG 17 machine guns mounted over 
the engine. The latter 7.9 mm guns were replaced by 13 mm MG 131 machine 
guns in the tropicalized version Bf 109 G-1/Trop, the installation 
necessitating the provision of fairings over the gun breeches. The Bf 109 
G-2 was generally similar but had no pressure cabin. It was used primarily 
in the fighter reconnaissance role, and the service test group at 
Guyanacourt, France, experimented with a vental gun pack in which two 
rear-firing MG 17 machine guns were fitted (Schraege Musik). The Bf 109 G-3 
was simmilar to the Bf 109 G-1 but fitted with FuG 16Z radio in place of the 
earlier FuG 7A, while the Bf 109 G-4 was an unpressurized version of the Bf 
109 G-3.

A batch of 12 Bf 109 G-6 was delivered to Switzerland late in 1944 in 
exchange for the destruction of a forcelanded Bf 110 nightfighter with the 
most recent Liechtenstein radar equipment, so that the Allied intelligence 
sevices could not lay their hands on it.

The Bf 109 G-5 received the Daimler Benz DB 605 D engine which had a 
supercharger of increased diameter and a water/methanol injection system. 
The two agents were contained in a jetissonable tank under the fuselage and 
fed to the engine in times of emergency. When injected into the cylinder 
with the 100-octane fuel, the methanol and water increased the amount of 
combustible mixture per unit volume of the cylinder, the increase in thermal 
efficiency temporarily boosting power to 1325 kW (1800 HP) at sea level. The 
Bf 109 G-5/R2 was fitted with a taller fin and rudder assembly and 
lengthened tailwheel leg in a fresh attempt to cure the swerve which still 
characterized take-off and landing. The new tail assembly was made of wood 
in an attempt to conserve light metals. The Bf 109 G-6, which would be 
fitted with several alternative versions of the Daimler Benz DB 605 , 
carried a 30 mm MK 108 cannon firing through th airscrew boss, two 13 mm MG 
131 machine guns above the engine, and two 20 mm MG 151 cannon in underwing 
gondolas. The MK 108 used explosive ammunition, and its muzzle velocity was 
only 540 m/s (1760 ft/sec), but it proved to be an effective anti-bomber 
weapon. In the Bf 109 G-6/U4 version the MG 151 cannon was replaced by two 
MK 108s.

The Bf 109 G-6/U4N was an improvised night fighter to use Wilde Sau tactics. 
This variant was fitted with Naxos Z warning and homing receivers with a 
range of 50 km (30 miles). The rotating antenna was installed aft of the 
cockpit, but the radar scope merely indicated direction and not distance. 
Two Staffeln were equipped with this improvised night fighter and operated 
briefly in the Cologne area, but the majority of these machines were 
destroyed in landing accidents owing to the inadequate night flight 
experience of their pilots. The Bf 109 G-6/R1 was a fighter-bomber 
conversion of the basic sub-type, and the Bf 109 G-6/R2 carried two WG 21 
rocket tubes in place of the underwing gun gondolas. The WG 21 missiles were 
of 21 cm calibre, but the missile reduced maximum speed by some 40 km/h (25 
mph) and disrupted the airflow over the elevators, and only limited success 
was attained.

The Bf 109 G-7 was a proposed version in which all the successive 
modifications to the Bf 109 G-6 version became standard, but this type did 
not enter production. The Bf 109 G-8 reverted to the old tail assembly and 
was a fast reconnaissance model fitted with a RB 12.5/7 or RB 32/7 camera. 
The engine-mounted MK 108 was removed. The fastest sub-type of the Bf 109 
G-series was the Bf 109 G-10 which, powered by the Daimler Benz DB 605 D 
engine and aided by GM-1, attained 689 km/h (428 mph) at 7400 m (24250 
feet). Climb to 6100 m (20000 feet) was effected in 6 minutes, and the range 
was 560 km (350 miles). No wing guns were carried, and the engine-mounted MK 
108 was optional. The Bf 109 G-10/U4 carried two additional Mk 108 cannon 
with eight rounds per gun in a belly tray, but this was subsequently 
replaced by a non-jettissonable long-range tank known as Irmler-Behaelter. 
The Bf 109 G-10/R2 and Bf 109 G-10/R6 received the new tail assembly, the 
elongated tailwheel leg, FuG 25a equipment for friend-foe identification, 
and a modified cockpit canopy known as the Galland Haube.

Several Bf 109 G-1 airframes had an additional seat installed and were 
redesignated Bf 109 G-12 operational trainers. The pupil and instructor were 
seated in tandem, and the side windows of the rear cockpit were bulged in 
order to improve the instructor's view. The last of the Bf 109 G-series 
fighter to attain operational status was the Bf 109 G-14. This model was 
generally similar to the Bf 109 G-6 and could be fitted with the Daimler 
Benz DB 605 A, AM, ASM or D engine, and armamant comprised two MG 131 
machine guns and one 20 mm MG 151 in the fuselage, and provision was made 
for fitting of two MG 151 cannons underwing. One 259 kg bomb or two WG 21 
rockets could be carried, and the Galland Haube was standard. The Bf 109 
G-14/Trop was a tropicalized version, and the Bf 109 G-14/R2 received the 
new wooden tail unit first fitted to the Bf 109 G-5/R2 but retained the 
short tailwheel leg. The final production Bf 109 G-series aircraft, the Bf 
109 G-16, did not reach operations. It was generally similar to the Bf 109 
G-14 but was heavily armoured for the close-support role.

Despite the advent of the very much superior Focke-Wulf Fw 190 fighter, 
production of the now elderly Bf 109 was progressively increased. Total 
production for 1942 amounted 2664 machines. This total was not very much 
greater than that for the precious year, a fact according for by the phasing 
out of the Bf 109 F in favour of the Bf 109 G-series, and the retooling of 
the Ago factory at Oschersleben, the Fieseler factory at Kassel, and the 
Arado factory at Warnemuende for other aircraft types, but in 1943 
production rose to 6418 aircraft. In that year the Industria Aeronautica 
Romana (IAR) factory at Brasov, in Rumania, the Hungarien Waggonwerke (DFAG) 
at Budapest, and the Messerschmitt-controlled plant at Györ in Hungary had 
completed retooling and commenced deliveries of th Bf 109 G. Although the 
various complexes of the factories controlled by the Messerschmitt AG were 
increasingly heavily bombed in 1944, production figures still increased in 
leaps and bounds, the unprecedented total of 14212 machines being delivered 
in that year. Of these, 6318 were produced by Messerschmitt's Regensburg 
factories which reached their production peak in October 1944 with the 
delivery of 755 aircrafts (25 per day!). Small numbers of Bf 109 G fighters 
were exported in 1943-44, this type being delivered to the air forces of 
Bulgaria (145), Finland (70), Japan (2), Romania (70), Slovakia (15), Spain 
(25), and Hungaria (59). Surprisingly, in the few month of 1945, before 
Germany's collapse, when communication had been disrupted and few factories 
above the surface of the ground were intact, the German aircraft industry 
still succeeded in producing 2969 Bf 109 fighters, of which 1074 were 
produced at Regensburg.




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"Pastor Kutchie, ordained atheist minister"  wrote 
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> On May 3, 1:07 am, Dumbfuck iBen wrote:
>> So far Germany has paid over DM 120,000,000,000 in reparations.
>
> Oops. What is wrong with this picture?
 TRUTH!z  SOMETHING YOU ARE NOT USED TO! 




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The Messerschmitt Bf 109 G
Date : 16. Jun. 1998
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

During the spring and summer of 1942 the assembly lines began to switch to 
the production of the Bf 109 G, deliveries of which commenced in the late 
summer of 1942 and which was appearing on all war fronts by the end of that 
year. With the phasing out of the Bf 109 F-series , the basic Bf 109 design 
might be considered to have passed the peak of its development, for with the 
introduction of the Bf 109 G-series the constant opertional demands for 
increased fire pwer and additional equipment brought with them a serious 
deterioration in the fighter's flying characteristics. The Bf 109 G could 
not be flown in a landing circuit with flaps and undercarriage down other 
than at full throttle, and experienced German operational pilots have 
described its landing charactreistics as malicious. Nevertheless, some 70 
per cent of all the Bf 109 fighters produced during the war years were of 
the Bf 109 G-series.

The most important change denoted by the introduction of the Bf 109 G was 
the installation of the more powerful Daimler Benz DB 605 A engine in which 
the cylinder block had been re-designed to obtain the maximum possible bore 
with the existing cylinder centers, the permissible rpm increased, and 
numerous other changes made in comparison with the Daimler Benz DB 601. 
These changes resulted in an output of 1085 kW (1475 HP) at 2800 rpm at 
sea-level, and 995 kW (1355 HP) at 5700 m (13700 feet). However, this engine 
was not available for the installation in the twelve pre-production Bf 109 
G-0 fighters which retained the Daimler Benz DB 601 E engine of the 
preceding production model. The Bf 109 G-0 was fitted with a pressurized 
cockpit, a feature which was becoming increasingly necessary in view of the 
altitudes to which air combat had by that time risen, and this also fitted 
in the first production model, the Bf 109 G-1, which was powered by the 
Daimler Benz DB 605 A-1 engine with GM-1 power boost.

The Bf 109 G-1 which was dubbed Gustav by its pilots, carried a single 
engine-mounted 20 mm MG 151 cannon and two MG 17 machine guns mounted over 
the engine. The latter 7.9 mm guns were replaced by 13 mm MG 131 machine 
guns in the tropicalized version Bf 109 G-1/Trop, the installation 
necessitating the provision of fairings over the gun breeches. The Bf 109 
G-2 was generally similar but had no pressure cabin. It was used primarily 
in the fighter reconnaissance role, and the service test group at 
Guyanacourt, France, experimented with a vental gun pack in which two 
rear-firing MG 17 machine guns were fitted (Schraege Musik). The Bf 109 G-3 
was simmilar to the Bf 109 G-1 but fitted with FuG 16Z radio in place of the 
earlier FuG 7A, while the Bf 109 G-4 was an unpressurized version of the Bf 
109 G-3.

A batch of 12 Bf 109 G-6 was delivered to Switzerland late in 1944 in 
exchange for the destruction of a forcelanded Bf 110 nightfighter with the 
most recent Liechtenstein radar equipment, so that the Allied intelligence 
sevices could not lay their hands on it.

The Bf 109 G-5 received the Daimler Benz DB 605 D engine which had a 
supercharger of increased diameter and a water/methanol injection system. 
The two agents were contained in a jetissonable tank under the fuselage and 
fed to the engine in times of emergency. When injected into the cylinder 
with the 100-octane fuel, the methanol and water increased the amount of 
combustible mixture per unit volume of the cylinder, the increase in thermal 
efficiency temporarily boosting power to 1325 kW (1800 HP) at sea level. The 
Bf 109 G-5/R2 was fitted with a taller fin and rudder assembly and 
lengthened tailwheel leg in a fresh attempt to cure the swerve which still 
characterized take-off and landing. The new tail assembly was made of wood 
in an attempt to conserve light metals. The Bf 109 G-6, which would be 
fitted with several alternative versions of the Daimler Benz DB 605 , 
carried a 30 mm MK 108 cannon firing through th airscrew boss, two 13 mm MG 
131 machine guns above the engine, and two 20 mm MG 151 cannon in underwing 
gondolas. The MK 108 used explosive ammunition, and its muzzle velocity was 
only 540 m/s (1760 ft/sec), but it proved to be an effective anti-bomber 
weapon. In the Bf 109 G-6/U4 version the MG 151 cannon was replaced by two 
MK 108s.

The Bf 109 G-6/U4N was an improvised night fighter to use Wilde Sau tactics. 
This variant was fitted with Naxos Z warning and homing receivers with a 
range of 50 km (30 miles). The rotating antenna was installed aft of the 
cockpit, but the radar scope merely indicated direction and not distance. 
Two Staffeln were equipped with this improvised night fighter and operated 
briefly in the Cologne area, but the majority of these machines were 
destroyed in landing accidents owing to the inadequate night flight 
experience of their pilots. The Bf 109 G-6/R1 was a fighter-bomber 
conversion of the basic sub-type, and the Bf 109 G-6/R2 carried two WG 21 
rocket tubes in place of the underwing gun gondolas. The WG 21 missiles were 
of 21 cm calibre, but the missile reduced maximum speed by some 40 km/h (25 
mph) and disrupted the airflow over the elevators, and only limited success 
was attained.

The Bf 109 G-7 was a proposed version in which all the successive 
modifications to the Bf 109 G-6 version became standard, but this type did 
not enter production. The Bf 109 G-8 reverted to the old tail assembly and 
was a fast reconnaissance model fitted with a RB 12.5/7 or RB 32/7 camera. 
The engine-mounted MK 108 was removed. The fastest sub-type of the Bf 109 
G-series was the Bf 109 G-10 which, powered by the Daimler Benz DB 605 D 
engine and aided by GM-1, attained 689 km/h (428 mph) at 7400 m (24250 
feet). Climb to 6100 m (20000 feet) was effected in 6 minutes, and the range 
was 560 km (350 miles). No wing guns were carried, and the engine-mounted MK 
108 was optional. The Bf 109 G-10/U4 carried two additional Mk 108 cannon 
with eight rounds per gun in a belly tray, but this was subsequently 
replaced by a non-jettissonable long-range tank known as Irmler-Behaelter. 
The Bf 109 G-10/R2 and Bf 109 G-10/R6 received the new tail assembly, the 
elongated tailwheel leg, FuG 25a equipment for friend-foe identification, 
and a modified cockpit canopy known as the Galland Haube.

Several Bf 109 G-1 airframes had an additional seat installed and were 
redesignated Bf 109 G-12 operational trainers. The pupil and instructor were 
seated in tandem, and the side windows of the rear cockpit were bulged in 
order to improve the instructor's view. The last of the Bf 109 G-series 
fighter to attain operational status was the Bf 109 G-14. This model was 
generally similar to the Bf 109 G-6 and could be fitted with the Daimler 
Benz DB 605 A, AM, ASM or D engine, and armamant comprised two MG 131 
machine guns and one 20 mm MG 151 in the fuselage, and provision was made 
for fitting of two MG 151 cannons underwing. One 259 kg bomb or two WG 21 
rockets could be carried, and the Galland Haube was standard. The Bf 109 
G-14/Trop was a tropicalized version, and the Bf 109 G-14/R2 received the 
new wooden tail unit first fitted to the Bf 109 G-5/R2 but retained the 
short tailwheel leg. The final production Bf 109 G-series aircraft, the Bf 
109 G-16, did not reach operations. It was generally similar to the Bf 109 
G-14 but was heavily armoured for the close-support role.

Despite the advent of the very much superior Focke-Wulf Fw 190 fighter, 
production of the now elderly Bf 109 was progressively increased. Total 
production for 1942 amounted 2664 machines. This total was not very much 
greater than that for the precious year, a fact according for by the phasing 
out of the Bf 109 F in favour of the Bf 109 G-series, and the retooling of 
the Ago factory at Oschersleben, the Fieseler factory at Kassel, and the 
Arado factory at Warnemuende for other aircraft types, but in 1943 
production rose to 6418 aircraft. In that year the Industria Aeronautica 
Romana (IAR) factory at Brasov, in Rumania, the Hungarien Waggonwerke (DFAG) 
at Budapest, and the Messerschmitt-controlled plant at Györ in Hungary had 
completed retooling and commenced deliveries of th Bf 109 G. Although the 
various complexes of the factories controlled by the Messerschmitt AG were 
increasingly heavily bombed in 1944, production figures still increased in 
leaps and bounds, the unprecedented total of 14212 machines being delivered 
in that year. Of these, 6318 were produced by Messerschmitt's Regensburg 
factories which reached their production peak in October 1944 with the 
delivery of 755 aircrafts (25 per day!). Small numbers of Bf 109 G fighters 
were exported in 1943-44, this type being delivered to the air forces of 
Bulgaria (145), Finland (70), Japan (2), Romania (70), Slovakia (15), Spain 
(25), and Hungaria (59). Surprisingly, in the few month of 1945, before 
Germany's collapse, when communication had been disrupted and few factories 
above the surface of the ground were intact, the German aircraft industry 
still succeeded in producing 2969 Bf 109 fighters, of which 1074 were 
produced at Regensburg.




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On May 3, 9:00 am, Bert Hyman  wrote:
> s...@compuserb.com (ADL Reporter) wrote innews:1178166373.791364.56890@c35g2000hsg.googlegroups.com:
>
 AMERICAN DEFENCE LEAGUE, DEFENDS AMERICANS FROM THE FUCKING JEWS AND
THEIR TERROR SQUADS, DRUG PEDDLERS AND SHYSTERS



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From: Venceremos 
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 SLAVERY IS IN FULL SWING IN TEL AVIV, PEOPLE ARE BEING SOLD LIKE
CHATTEL IN THE DINGY BORDELLOS OF TELL AVIV



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On May 3, 11:52 am, BernardZ  wrote:
> In article ,
> ser...@bellsouth.net says...
>
> > Despite the advent of the very much superior Focke-Wulf Fw 190 fighter,
> > production of the now elderly Bf 109 was progressively increased
>
> I am not so sure the Bf 109 was that much worse then the Fw 190 and much
> cheaper. It is interesting that after WW2, B109 were still being
> produced and used by airforces in the 1950s but not Fw 190.


We shipped them through Podgorica to the bloody Jew Air Force. I wish
we didn't



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"JBgarbuz"  wrote in message 
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>
> "Salah Jafar"  wrote in message
> news:qpo_h.9249$KP1.5299@trnddc02...
>> Hezbollah leader says he 'respects' Israeli verdict of Lebanon war
> failure.
>>
>>
>
>
> ,,,
>
>> Sayyed Nasrallah said that there is an old political decision to keep 
>> this
>> nation ignorant and unable to rise, so as to remain subordinate. <
>
> Yeah, that "decsion" is called "Islam."  Islam is a movement to keep 
> people
> ignorant, especially women.
Telling me! It is the Jews that do not allow women to ride in front of the 
bus, it is Jews that the women to pulp if they do ride in front of the bus 




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"Kenneth McVay OBC"  wrote in message 
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> In article ,
> Leading Revisionist Liar Alex "ElParedon" Seredin  
> wrote:
>
>>"Pastor Kutchie, ordained atheist minister"  wrote
>>in message news:1178180106.379157.86820@h2g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>>> On May 3, 1:07 am, Dumbfuck iBen wrote:
>>>> So far Germany has paid over DM 120,000,000,000 in reparations.
>>>
>>> Oops. What is wrong with this picture?
>> TRUTH!z  SOMETHING YOU ARE NOT USED TO!
>
> http://mediacrity.blogspot.com/2005_11_20_mediacrity_archive.html
>
> Seashells, Plastic Mermaids -- and Internet Hate
>
> A reader brings to my attention this cute little
> item in City Link magazine, a publication of the
> Tribune Company-owned Sun Sentinel in South Florida

NANAIMO SHITHEAD! BUSINESS HAS NEVER BEEN BETTER AND JEWS PISS ON YOU AND 
YOUR CRAP! 




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"cactus"  wrote in message 
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> ElParedon wrote:
>> "cactus"  wrote in message 
>> news:Vge_h.18470$Kd3.9331@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net...
>>> LC wrote:
>>>> So far Germany has paid over DM 120,000,000,000 in reparations. And
>>>> the number is increasing. In March 1952, just days before the
>>>> negotiations with Germany began, Yohanan Bader said: "Suppose they pay
>>>> you for six million Jews, but when the reparations period is over, . .
>>>> . where will you get six million more Jews so that you can get more
>>>> money?" ... Haim Landau called out in Yiddish to Shmuel Dayan (Mapei):
>>>> A glik hot unz getrofen (lucky us!) six million Jews were murdered and
>>>> we can get some money."
>>
>> He said: "Luck has found us". There was no reason for any reparations. 
>> Majority of the Jews were very poor artizans in Eastern Europe, and they 
>> lied about the number of them killed. There is not one iota of evidence 
>> to confirm the claim of "six million" or even one million.
>> Proportianally, all Europeans lost about 10% of their population to the 
>> Nazi war machine and so did the Jews.
>>
>> For example; 3 million Poles were killed by the Nazis, Jews simply count 
>> Poles as "Jews".
> Citations?
CITATIONS FROM YOU THAT THERE WERE SIX MILLION JEWS IN HITLER OCCUPIED 
EU8ROPE! 




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"BernardZ"  wrote in message 
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> In article <1177251347.468844.146440@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
> serwad@bellsouth.net says...
>> On Apr 22, 6:26 am, BernardZ  wrote:
>> > In article <1177208799.310510.316...@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
>> > ser...@bellsouth.net says...
>> >
>> > > Paul Wolfowitz's grip on his job as president of the World Bank was
>> > > shaken yesterday after the bank's governing council declared it had
>> > > "great concern" and ordered an investigation into the contracts of
>> > > staff connected to him. After an emergency meeting, the bank's
>> > > executive directors set up a wide-ranging inquiry into alleged
>> > > breaches of the bank's code of conduct and ethical rules, and into
>> > > statements about the controversy made by Mr Wolfowitz's office.
>> >
>> > She is not Jewish but Muslim Alex.
>>
>> IT IS NOT A "AHE" IDIOT. WOLFOWITZ IS A JEW QUEER
>>
>>
>
> Fool!
>
> Wofowitz partner is a Muslims woman!
 YOU MEAN A WHORE! YEP THERE ARE MUSLIM WHORES ALSO 




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Insurgents 'right to take on US'


Insurgents in Iraq are right to try to force US troops out of the country, a 
former British army commander has said.
Gen Sir Michael Rose also told the BBC's Newsnight programme that the US and 
the UK must "admit defeat" and stop fighting "a hopeless war" in Iraq.

Iraqi insurgents would not give in, he said. "I don't excuse them for some 
of the terrible things they do, but I do understand why they are resisting."

The total number of UK troops killed in operations in Iraq stands at 147.

'Admit defeat'

Sir Michael has written a book drawing similarities between the tactics of 
insurgents and George Washington's men in America's War of Independence.

He told Newsnight: "As Lord Chatham said, when he was speaking on the 
British presence in North America, he said 'if I was an American, as I am an 
Englishman, as long as one Englishman remained on American native soil, I 
would never, never, never lay down my arms'.

"The Iraqi insurgents feel exactly the same way."

He said it was time to bring troops home.

"It is the soldiers who have been telling me from the frontline that the war 
they have been fighting is a hopeless war, that they cannot possibly win it 
and the sooner we start talking politics and not military solutions, the 
sooner they will come home and their lives will be preserved."

This meant the UK government would have to admit defeat, he added.

"The British admitted defeat in North America and the catastrophes that were 
predicted at the time never happened," the ex-Bosnia UN chief said.

"The catastrophes that were predicted after Vietnam never happened.

"The same thing will occur after we leave Iraq."




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"Michael Ejercito"  wrote in message 
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> On May 3, 9:18 am, Venceremos  wrote:
>>  SLAVERY IS IN FULL SWING IN TEL AVIV, PEOPLE ARE BEING SOLD LIKE
>> CHATTEL IN THE DINGY BORDELLOS OF TELL AVIV
>
>   How many did you buy?
ONLY JEWISH COCKROACHES ARE ALLOWED IN
>
> Michael
> 




From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:22:44 EDT 2007
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 there are no jews arsehole, JUST RUSSIANS! 




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"Salah Jafar"  wrote in message 
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> Jews must convert to Islam or they are not welcome in Palestine. Islam is 
> their only choice for better future and happiness. It will teach them that 
> stealing and killing is forbidden in the Quran. Extortion, blackmail, wall 
> street thievery is all illegal in Islam. Homosexuality and lesbianism is 
> also forbidden. Face the truth today and come and join the great religion 
> that guarantee you happiness and prosperity.
> SJ
Agreed! here in South Florida dozens of Jews have converted to Islam. Some 
are newcomers from Israel who are fed up with the treatment of Palestinians. 
They are very shy about publicity, and just want to be one of the muslims. 




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"Tilly"  wrote in message news:f1dpog$t6l$1@aioe.org...
> drdavez28@yahoo.com wrote:
>> On May 3, 2:49 pm, "Salah Jafar"  wrote:
>> > Jews must convert to Islam or they are not welcome in Palestine.
>> > Islam is their only choice for better future and happiness. It will
>> > teach them that stealing and killing is forbidden in the Quran.
>
> ROFL.......
> Honour killings
You do not have to worry about that tilly, since you have neither honor nor 
faith! 




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 wrote in message 
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> On May 3, 2:49 pm, "Salah Jafar"  wrote:
>> Jews must convert to Islam or they are not welcome in Palestine. Islam is
>> their only choice for better future and happiness. It will teach them 
>> that
>> stealing and killing is forbidden in the Quran. Extortion, blackmail, 
>> wall
>> street thievery is all illegal in Islam. Homosexuality and lesbianism is
>> also forbidden. Face the truth today and come and join the great religion
>> that guarantee you happiness and prosperity.
>> SJ
>
> LOL, happiness and prosperity.  Most muslims are dirt poor and
> miserable
Really?  How many muslims have you ever known in your miserable life? 




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"Tilly"  wrote in message news:f1dqbf$unp$1@aioe.org...
> Salah Jafar wrote:
>> Jews must convert to Islam or they are not welcome in Palestine.
>> Islam is their only choice for better future and happiness. It will
>> teach them that stealing and killing is forbidden in the Quran.
>> Extortion, blackmail, wall street thievery is all illegal in Islam.
>> Homosexuality and lesbianism is also forbidden.
>
>
> Bestiality:
 now is your chance Tilly, somebody may mistake you for a cow! 




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"Tilly"  wrote in message news:f1dqdp$v47$1@aioe.org...
> Salah Jafar wrote:
>> Jews must convert to Islam or they are not welcome in Palestine.
>> Islam is their only choice for better future and happiness. It will
>> teach them that stealing and killing is forbidden in the Quran.
>> Extortion, blackmail, wall street thievery is all illegal in Islam.
>> Homosexuality and lesbianism is also forbidden. Face the truth today
>> and come and join the great religion that guarantee you happiness and
>> prosperity.
>> SJ
>
> Have you converted Salah.
> Last year you claimed to be a Christian!
 So what?  Arab muslims and Christians are brothers and have always lived in 
peace 




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 AMERICANS KILLED LOTS OF CHILDREN AND WOMEN, THAT IS THE MARINE SPECIALITY 




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"Kenneth McVay OBC"  wrote in message 
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> In article ,
> Leading Revisionist Nitwit Alex "ElParedon" Seredin  
> wrote:
>
> [...]
>
>> YOU MEAN A WHORE! YEP THERE ARE MUSLIM WHORES ALSO
>
> No doubt Mr. Seredin has tried them all.

NO DOUBT HE HAS! 




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"NefeshBarYochai"  wrote in message 
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> On May 3, 4:35 pm, "Salah Jafar"  wrote:
>> Semepr Fi
>>
>> Jews are excluded.
>> SJ
>
> You correct many Jews are excluded that is why the good Jews on Eretz
> Israel have the common sense to exclude themselves from the murdering
> Palestinians that dwell nearby.

SO FAR ARSEHOLE1 FUCKING JEWS HAVE MURDERED HUNDRED TIMES MORE PALESTINIANS 
THAN THE OTHER WAY AROUND

BUT, WAIT! THE PARTY IS NOT OVER UNTIL THE FAT LADY SINGS 




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"NefeshBarYochai"  wrote in message 
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> On May 3, 3:45 pm, "Salah Jafar"  wrote:
>> Ah Men, hey may rot in hell, he may suffer the worse death because he
>> betrayed our beloved nation. I personally have fought 3 wars for this
>> country and seen men of good patriotic nature,  my fellow soldier die in 
>> the
>> battle field. This fucking Jew, this  criminal traitor sold our nation to
>> the filthy Jews.
>> SJ
>> Semper Fi
>
> The only war you've fought jafar is the war of masturbating
> ignoramuses that worship the asshole's of the goats and camels. You
> are not a Marine, you are not an American, you are a Muslim terrorist
> that needs a M-16 round in the head.  You are a candy ass dishonorable
> parasite on the Saudi Kings pay roll.

HEY NEFESH, HOW MANY PALESTINIAN KIDS HAVE YOU SHOT DEAD YOU FILTHY COWARDLY 
BASTARD.

SALAH CERTAINLY WAS A MARINE OF DISTINCTION, I CAN VOUCH FOR THAT 




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43% of Iraqis live in absolute poverty - government report
Kamal al-Basri, Azzaman



      Azzaman, May 2, 2007

      Poverty is rampant throughout Iraq with more than half the population 
lacking basic means to survive, a government survey shows.

      The survey by the Central Statistical Bureau says that 43 percent of 
Iraqis suffer from 'absolute poverty' and another 11 percent of them live in 
'abject poverty'.

      Both terms are measures aid organizations use to quantify poverty in 
the world and they refer to people below poverty level.

      People in absolute poverty lack the necessary food, clothing or 
shelter to survive and 43 percent of Iraqis now fall into that category, the 
survey says.

      People in abject poverty lack a minimum income or consumption level 
necessary to meet basic needs and 11 percent of Iraqis are in that category, 
according to the survey.

      The study is the result of a nation-wide survey of families across the 
country and takes into consideration the millions of Iraqis who have been 
displaced or forced to flee abroad.

      The survey is the largest and most comprehensive the bureau has 
conducted in the past four years. Hundreds of researchers and civil servants 
working in its offices in Iraq were involved.





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"Geoff Miller"  wrote in message 
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>
>
> I read somewhere recently that the jewfish had been renamed
> because the species' original name was supposedly offensive
> and anti-Semitic.
>
> This aroused my curiosity.  It seems to me that whether the
> original species name was actually offensive would depend on
> what perceived characteristic of Jewish people the fish was
> named for, and how typical that characteristic is in real life.
>
> It naturally follows that even the if characteristic in question
> were unflattering, there'd be no grounds for objecting to it if
> it were true.
>
> Any thoughts on this?
>
>
>
> Geoff
 Jewfish will always be jewish no matter what ZioNazis renamed it. 




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 wrote in message 
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> Joan Peters' book has been discredited and found to be a hoax by
> hundreds of researches.
> Jews are nothing more than parasites of Palestine.  "Israel" was
> created when, after 2,000 years, Jews decided they wanted to re-
> establish Jewish domination there, so they ethnically cleansed
> Palestine of the indiginous Arabs.

Jews are fast becoming rare comodity in occupied Palestine, immigration 
cannot keep up with emigration. The only thing that stands in the way  of 
Jews leaving Palestine alltogether is the fact that most countries DO NOT 
WANT JEWS! 




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"Kenneth McVay OBC"  wrote in message 
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> Our World: Welcome to Palestine
> Caroline Glick, THE JERUSALEM POST
> January 30, 2007
>
> In the world of international diplomacy few issues receive more wall-
> to-wall support than the notion that it is essential to establish a
> Palestinian state. Leaders worldwide are so busy speaking of how
> essential it is for a State of Palestine to be founded that none of
> them seems to have noticed that it already exists.
>
> This state was officially founded in the summer of 2005, when Israel
> removed its military forces and civilian population from the Gaza


THAT IS A FUCKING LIE!

JEWS KILLED ABOUT THOUSAND PALESTINIAN CHILDREN IN GAZA SINCE '95
THAT IS HOW FAR JEWISH HEROISM GOES: CHILDREN AND WOMEN! 




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"Salah Jafar"  wrote in message 
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> http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-bishara3may03,0,2351340.story?coll=la-opinion-rightrailWhy 
> Israel is after meBy Azmi BisharaAZMI BISHARA was a member of the Knesset 
> until his resignation in April.May 3, 2007Amman, Jordan - I AM A 
> PALESTINIAN from Nazareth, a citizen of Israel andwas, until last month, a 
> member of the Israeli parliament.But now, in an ironic twist reminiscent 
> of France's Dreyfus affair - inwhich a French Jew was accused of 
> disloyalty to the state - the governmentof Israel is accusing me of aiding 
> the enemy during Israel's failed waragainst Lebanon in July.Israeli police 
> apparently suspect me of passing information to a foreignagent and of 
> receiving money in return. Under Israeli law, anyone - ajournalist or a 
> personal friend - can be defined as a "foreign agent" by theIsraeli 
> security apparatus. Such charges can lead to life imprisonment oreven the 
> death penalty.The allegations are ridiculous. Needless to say, Hezbollah - 
> Israel's enemyin Lebanon - has independently gathered more security 
> information aboutIsrael than any Arab Knesset member could possibly 
> provide. What's more,unlike those in Israel's parliament who have been 
> involved in acts ofviolence, I have never used violence or participated in 
> wars. My instrumentsof persuasion, in contrast, are simply words in books, 
> articles andspeeches.These trumped-up charges, which I firmly reject and 
> deny, are only thelatest in a series of attempts to silence me and others 
> involved in thestruggle of the Palestinian Arab citizens of Israel to live 
> in a state ofall its citizens, not one that grants rights and privileges 
> to Jews that itdenies to non-Jews.When Israel was established in 1948, 
> more than 700,000 Palestinians wereexpelled or fled in fear. My family was 
> among the minority that escaped thatfate, remaining instead on the land 
> where we had long lived. The Israelistate, established exclusively for 
> Jews, embarked immediately ontransforming us into foreigners in our own 
> country.For the first 18 years of Israeli statehood, we, as Israeli 
> citizens, livedunder military rule with pass laws that controlled our 
> every movement. Wewatched Jewish Israeli towns spring up over destroyed 
> Palestinian villages.Today we make up 20% of Israel's population. We do 
> not drink at separatewater fountains or sit at the back of the bus. We 
> vote and can serve in theparliament. But we face legal, institutional and 
> informal discrimination inall spheres of life.More than 20 Israeli laws 
> explicitly privilege Jews over non-Jews. The Lawof Return, for example, 
> grants automatic citizenship to Jews from anywherein the world. Yet 
> Palestinian refugees are denied the right to return to thecountry they 
> were forced to leave in 1948. The Basic Law of Human Dignityand Liberty - 
> Israel's "Bill of Rights" - defines the state as "Jewish"rather than a 
> state for all its citizens. Thus Israel is more for Jewsliving in Los 
> Angeles or Paris than it is for native Palestinians.Israel acknowledges 
> itself to be a state of one particular religious group.Anyone committed to 
> democracy will readily admit that equal citizenshipcannot exist under such 
> conditions.Most of our children attend schools that are separate but 
> unequal. Accordingto recent polls, two-thirds of Israeli Jews would refuse 
> to live next to anArab and nearly half would not allow a Palestinian into 
> their home.I have certainly ruffled feathers in Israel. In addition to 
> speaking out onthe subjects above, I have also asserted the right of the 
> Lebanese people,and of Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza Strip, to 
> resist Israel'sillegal military occupation. I do not see those who fight 
> for freedom as myenemies.This may discomfort Jewish Israelis, but they 
> cannot deny us our history andidentity any more than we can negate the 
> ties that bind them to world Jewry.After all, it is not we, but Israeli 
> Jews who immigrated to this land.Immigrants might be asked to give up 
> their former identity in exchange forequal citizenship, but we are not 
> immigrants.During my years in the Knesset, the attorney general indicted 
> me for voicingmy political opinions (the charges were dropped), lobbied to 
> have myparliamentary immunity revoked and sought unsuccessfully to 
> disqualify mypolitical party from participating in elections - all because 
> I believeIsrael should be a state for all its citizens and because I have 
> spoken outagainst Israeli military occupation. Last year, Cabinet member 
> AvigdorLieberman - an immigrant from Moldova - declared that Palestinian 
> citizensof Israel "have no place here," that we should "take our bundles 
> and getlost." After I met with a leader of the Palestinian Authority from 
> Hamas,Lieberman called for my execution.The Israeli authorities are trying 
> to intimidate not just me but allPalestinian citizens of Israel. But we 
> will not be intimidated. We will notbow to permanent servitude in the land 
> of our ancestors or to being severedfrom our natural connections to the 
> Arab world. Our community leaders joinedtogether recently to issue a 
> blueprint for a state free of ethnic andreligious discrimination in all 
> spheres. If we turn back from our path tofreedom now, we will consign 
> future generations to the discrimination wehave faced for six 
> decades.Americans know from their own history of institutional 
> discrimination thetactics that have been used against civil rights 
> leaders. These includetelephone bugging, police surveillance, political 
> delegitimization andcriminalization of dissent through false accusations. 
> Israel is continuingto use these tactics at a time when the world no 
> longer tolerates suchpractices as compatible with democracy.Why then does 
> the U.S. government continue to fully support a country whosevery identity 
> and institutions are based on ethnic and religiousdiscrimination that 
> victimize its own citizens?

Terrorists of Israel are after anyone who tells it like it is, you and me 
included! 




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"Ariel"  wrote in message 
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> On May 3, 2:36 pm, "Salah Jafar"  wrote:
>> 
>> http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-bishara3may03,0,2351340.sto...Israel 
>> is after meBy Azmi BisharaAZMI BISHARA was a member of the Knesset until 
>> his resignation in April.May 3, 2007Amman, Jordan - I AM A PALESTINIAN 
>> from Nazareth, a citizen of Israel andwas, until last month, a member of 
>> the Israeli parliament.But now, in an ironic twist reminiscent of 
>> France's Dreyfus affair - inwhich a French Jew was accused of disloyalty 
>> to the state - the governmentof Israel is accusing me of aiding the enemy 
>> during Israel's failed waragainst Lebanon in July.Israeli police 
>> apparently suspect me of passing information to a foreignagent and of 
>> receiving money in return. Under Israeli law, anyone - ajournalist or a 
>> personal friend - can be defined as a "foreign agent" by theIsraeli 
>> security apparatus. Such charges can lead to life imprisonment oreven the 
>> death penalty.The allegations are ridiculous. Needless to say, 
>> Hezbollah - Israel's enemyin Lebanon - has independently gathered more 
>> security information aboutIsrael than any Arab Knesset member could 
>> possibly provide. What's more,unlike those in Israel's parliament who 
>> have been involved in acts ofviolence, I have never used violence or 
>> participated in wars. My instrumentsof persuasion, in contrast, are 
>> simply words in books, articles andspeeches.These trumped-up charges, 
>> which I firmly reject and deny, are only thelatest in a series of 
>> attempts to silence me and others involved in thestruggle of the 
>> Palestinian Arab citizens of Israel to live in a state ofall its 
>> citizens, not one that grants rights and privileges to Jews that itdenies 
>> to non-Jews.When Israel was established in 1948, more than 700,000 
>> Palestinians wereexpelled or fled in fear. My family was among the 
>> minority that escaped thatfate, remaining instead on the land where we 
>> had long lived. The Israelistate, established exclusively for Jews, 
>> embarked immediately ontransforming us into foreigners in our own 
>> country.For the first 18 years of Israeli statehood, we, as Israeli 
>> citizens, livedunder military rule with pass laws that controlled our 
>> every movement. Wewatched Jewish Israeli towns spring up over destroyed 
>> Palestinian villages.Today we make up 20% of Israel's population. We do 
>> not drink at separatewater fountains or sit at the back of the bus. We 
>> vote and can serve in theparliament. But we face legal, institutional and 
>> informal discrimination inall spheres of life.More than 20 Israeli laws 
>> explicitly privilege Jews over non-Jews. The Lawof Return, for example, 
>> grants automatic citizenship to Jews from anywherein the world. Yet 
>> Palestinian refugees are denied the right to return to thecountry they 
>> were forced to leave in 1948. The Basic Law of Human Dignityand Liberty - 
>> Israel's "Bill of Rights" - defines the state as "Jewish"rather than a 
>> state for all its citizens. Thus Israel is more for Jewsliving in Los 
>> Angeles or Paris than it is for native Palestinians.Israel acknowledges 
>> itself to be a state of one particular religious group.Anyone committed 
>> to democracy will readily admit that equal citizenshipcannot exist under 
>> such conditions.Most of our children attend schools that are separate but 
>> unequal. Accordingto recent polls, two-thirds of Israeli Jews would 
>> refuse to live next to anArab and nearly half would not allow a 
>> Palestinian into their home.I have certainly ruffled feathers in Israel. 
>> In addition to speaking out onthe subjects above, I have also asserted 
>> the right of the Lebanese people,and of Palestinians in the West Bank and 
>> Gaza Strip, to resist Israel'sillegal military occupation. I do not see 
>> those who fight for freedom as myenemies.This may discomfort Jewish 
>> Israelis, but they cannot deny us our history andidentity any more than 
>> we can negate the ties that bind them to world Jewry.After all, it is not 
>> we, but Israeli Jews who immigrated to this land.Immigrants might be 
>> asked to give up their former identity in exchange forequal citizenship, 
>> but we are not immigrants.During my years in the Knesset, the attorney 
>> general indicted me for voicingmy political opinions (the charges were 
>> dropped), lobbied to have myparliamentary immunity revoked and sought 
>> unsuccessfully to disqualify mypolitical party from participating in 
>> elections - all because I believeIsrael should be a state for all its 
>> citizens and because I have spoken outagainst Israeli military 
>> occupation. Last year, Cabinet member AvigdorLieberman - an immigrant 
>> from Moldova - declared that Palestinian citizensof Israel "have no place 
>> here," that we should "take our bundles and getlost." After I met with a 
>> leader of the Palestinian Authority from Hamas,Lieberman called for my 
>> execution.The Israeli authorities are trying to intimidate not just me 
>> but allPalestinian citizens of Israel. But we will not be intimidated. We 
>> will notbow to permanent servitude in the land of our ancestors or to 
>> being severedfrom our natural connections to the Arab world. Our 
>> community leaders joinedtogether recently to issue a blueprint for a 
>> state free of ethnic andreligious discrimination in all spheres. If we 
>> turn back from our path tofreedom now, we will consign future generations 
>> to the discrimination wehave faced for six decades.Americans know from 
>> their own history of institutional discrimination thetactics that have 
>> been used against civil rights leaders. These includetelephone bugging, 
>> police surveillance, political delegitimization andcriminalization of 
>> dissent through false accusations. Israel is continuingto use these 
>> tactics at a time when the world no longer tolerates suchpractices as 
>> compatible with democracy.Why then does the U.S. government continue to 
>> fully support a country whosevery identity and institutions are based on 
>> ethnic and religiousdiscrimination that victimize its own citizens?
>
> you're an idiot. Israel is after him because he's a terrorist ,
IF HE IS A "TERRORIST" HOW MANY PALESTINIAN KIDS DID HE SHOOT

that
> simple. if you're a terrorist you'll be hunted.
JUST WATCH BISHARA HUNT YOU FUCKING JEW BASTARDS  DOWN

if you're a law
> abiding citizen you get respect.
> 




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"Ian MacLure"  wrote in message 
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> "Venceremos"  wrote in
> news:1175658768.579571.211190@b75g2000hsg.googlegroups.com:
>
>> Nancy Pelosi, D-Israel, Part II
>> Eli Stephens, Left I on the News
>
>    Would that be the same Pelosi Begum who recently
>    sashayed through Syria in a burqa/abbayah?
>
>    IBM
You are a liar! She never wore an abaya. But George Bush did don the Jew cap 
and kissed the Israeli flag! 




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 wrote in message 
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> On May 3, 4:27 pm, bjackson...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> Joan Peters' book has been discredited and found to be a hoax by
>> hundreds of researches.
>
> Name a few of those "hundreds of researches".

David Ray Grifin for one, aside from at least 500 researchers from many 
countries, who know full well that a plane could not melt the 47 steel 
columns in 20 minutes not could a plane knock the towers down. Besides the 
47 story WTC7 was not even hit by a plane, and nevert heless was blown up.

To learn the truth, try some of these sites:

ooperativeresearch.org
911Research.WTC7.net
911review.com
911proof.com
truthmove.org
911pressfortruth.com
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http://www.journalof911studies.com/articles/Why%20Indeed%20Did%20the%20WTC%20Buildings%20Completely%20Collapse%20Jones%20Thermite%20World%20Trade%20Center%20J24.pdf 




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From: Venceremos 
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Subject: "SURGING" TO DEATH !
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How the Surge is Failing
By PATRICK COCKBURN

Baghdad.

"Be careful," warned a senior Iraqi government official living in the
Green Zone in Baghdad," be very careful and above all do not trust the
police or the army." He added that insecurity in the Iraqi capital is
now as bad as it was before the US security plan came into operation
in the city in February.

The so-called 'surge', the dispatch of 20,000 extra American troops to
Iraq with the prime mission of getting control of Baghdad, is visibly
failing.

There are army and police checkpoints everywhere but Iraqis are
terrified approaching them because they do not know if the men in
uniform they see are in reality death squad members. Omar, the 15-year-
old brother-in-law of a friend, was driving with two other boys
through al-Mansur in west Baghdad a fortnight ago. Their car was
stopped at a police checkpoint. Most of the police in Baghdad are
Shia. They took him away saying they suspected that his ID card was a
fake. The real reason was probably that the name Omar is used only by
Sunni. Three days later the boy was found dead.

I was driving through central Baghdad yesterday. Our car was pulled to
one side at an army checkpoint. I was sitting in the back seat and had
hung my jacket from a hook above the window so nobody could easily see
I was a foreigner. A soldier leaned in the window and asked who I was.

We were lucky. He merely looked surprised when told I was a foreign
journalist and said softly: "Keep well hidden." The problem about the
US security plan is that it does not provide security. It had some
impact to begin with and the number of dead bodies found in the street
went down. This was mainly because the largest Shia militia, the Mehdi
Army, was stood down by its leader, Muqtada al-Sadr. But the Sunni
insurgent groups escalated the number of sectarian suicide bombings
against Shia markets. The US was unable to stop this.

Now the sectarian body count is on the rise again. Some 30 bodies,
each shot in the head, were found on Wednesday alone. The main new
American tactic is proving counter-productive. This is the sealing off
entire neighbourhoods either by concrete walls or barriers of rubbish
so there is only a single entrance and exit. Speaking of Sunni
districts like al-Adhamiyah a government official said: "We are
creating mini- Islamic republics."

This is born out by anecdotal evidence. The uncle of a friend called
Mohammed =AD it is in the nature of Baghdad that nobody wants their full
name published =AD died of natural causes. The family, all Sunni, wanted
to bury him but they were unable to reach the nearest cemetery in Abu
Ghraib. Instead they went to one in Adhamiyah. As they entered the
cemetery armed civilians, whom they took to be al Qaida from their way
of speaking, asked directly: "Are any of you Shia?" Only when
reassured that they were all Sunni were they allowed to bury their
relative.

The failure of the 'surge' comes because it is not accompanied by any
political reconciliation. On the contrary the government is wholly
factionalised. For instance the two vice presidents, the Sunni Tariq
al- Hashimi, and the Shia Adel Abdel Mehdi, may make conciliatory
statements in public but one Iraqi observer notes that "Tariq only
employs Sunni and Adel only Shia."

The Sunni feel they are fighting for their lives. Their last redoubts
in east Baghdad =AD aside from Adhamiyah =AD are being over-run by the
Mehdi Army. The Sunni insurgent groups, notably al Qaeda, are on the
offensive in west Baghdad where they are strongest. When the Americans
succeed in driving away the militia of, say, the Shia in any district
their place is taken, not by government forces, but by the Sunni
militia. People in Baghdad are terrified of being killed by a car bomb
or bundled into the boot of a car and murdered. Less dramatic, but
equally significant in forcing people to flee Iraq for Jordan or
Syria, is the sheer difficulty of maintaining a normal life. Much of
the trade in the city used to take place in open air markets. But
because of repeated bombs attacks only one is now open. This is in
Karada but many people no longer go there because it has come under
repeated attack.

So many areas are now sealed off in Baghdad that there are continuous
traffic jams. This presents a problem for drivers. If they try to
avoid the jam by driving off the main road they may enter an area
where militiamen rule who may kill them. One friend who got back from
Syria found that, because of an attack on a government patrol, his
neighbourhood was closed off to traffic. "I had to walk for 40 minutes
with my heavy suitcase," he lamented.

Even in dangerous neighbourhoods like Beitawin off Saadoun Street in
central Baghdad, notorious for its criminal gangs even in Saddam
Hussein's time, people were queuing for petrol for hours yesterday
evening because they have no choice if they want to fill their tanks.

A bizarre flavour has been given to Saadoun Street because the
government has encouraged artists to paint the giant concrete blast
barriers with uplifting if unlikely scenes of mountain torrents,
meadows in spring and lake side scenes. Many of the pictures, all in
garish greens, blues and yellows, look more like Switzerland than
Iraq. Muqtada al-Sadr, for his part, is encouraging artists to paint
the blast barriers with scenes illustrating the anguish inflicted on
the Iraqi people by the US occupation.

The only 'gated community' that functions successfully in Baghdad is
the Green Zone itself, the four square miles on the right bank of the
Tigris that is home to the Iraqi government and the US embassy. It is
sealed off from the rest of Iraq by multiple security barriers and
fortifications in depth.

Entering the zone recently I was questioned and searched, at different
stages, by Kurds, Georgians, Peruvians and Nepalese. No country in the
world has such rigorous frontier procedures as what one American
called "this little chunk of Texas." Living cut off in the zone it is
impossible for the ruling elite of Iraq to understand the terrible
suffering and terror beyond its gates.

http://www.counterpunch.org/patrick05042007.html



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:22:53 EDT 2007
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From: Venceremos 
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On May 4, 1:06 am, HEYYYYYYYY  wrote:
>   IT OPENS MAY 4'TH HERES THE TRAILER LINK    www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UAfjHYg_II
>   DONT FORGET VOTE MITT ROMNEY 2008!!!!!!!!!!!!


ALL BOOKED, CANNOT GET IN THE DOOR !



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From: Venceremos 
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Subject: Re: THESE RATS ARE LEAVING THE SINKING JUNK
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On May 1, 9:32 pm, Ian MacLure  wrote:
> "ElParedon"  wrote innews:9gFZh.1169$0x4.395@bignews4.bellsouth.net:
>
> > "Ian MacLure"  wrote in message
> >news:Xns9922CB0BC2EFibmsvpalorg@216.196.97.131...
> >> "ElParedon"  wrote in
> >>news:ZAxZh.3444$F11.3339@bignews1.bellsouth.net:
>
> >>    [snip]
>
> >>> "It's only natural as you get towards the end of the second term that
> >>> people are going to be moving on," he said. "The secretary understands."
>
> >>    It must really tick you off that Republicans have actual
> >>    job skills for which employers are willing to pay.
>
> >>    IBM
> > Especially Dov Zakheim the designer of 911
>
>         Still plucking the strings on that old harp are we?

The more scientist learn about the thermate, the more truth comes out,
very soon most of Americans will know the truth, up to now it is at
57% Americans who dibelieve the ZioNazi lies!



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On May 3, 8:23 pm, Ian MacLure  wrote:
> Venceremos  wrote innews:1178071190.045757.271990@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:
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>
>
> > On May 1, 9:32 pm, Ian MacLure  wrote:
> >> "ElParedon"  wrote
> >> innews:9gFZh.1169$0x4.395@bignews4.bellsouth.net:
>
> >> > "Ian MacLure"  wrote in message
> >> >news:Xns9922CB0BC2EFibmsvpalorg@216.196.97.131...
> >> >> "ElParedon"  wrote in
> >> >>news:ZAxZh.3444$F11.3339@bignews1.bellsouth.net:
>
> >> >>    [snip]
>
> >> >>> "It's only natural as you get towards the end of the second term
> >> >>> that people are going to be moving on," he said. "The secretary
> >> >>> understands."
>
> >> >>    It must really tick you off that Republicans have actual
> >> >>    job skills for which employers are willing to pay.
>
> >> >>    IBM
> >> > Especially Dov Zakheim the designer of 911
>
> >>         Still plucking the strings on that old harp are we?
> >>         It couldn't, just couldn't have been a bunch of dark ages
> >>         turbanned thugs from some sandy environs now could it.
> >>         Just like there's no way a fire could soften steel....
>
> >>         IBM
>
> > "SOFTEN STEEL" YOU HAVE TO BE KIDDING. NO LIQUID COULD PRODUCE
>
>         And yet it did. Its gonna be a tough slog from here on in.
>         All those pictures of the BBQ'd freeway in Oakland.
>
> > TEMPERATURES TO EVEN WARM UP 47 STEEL COLUMN FOUR INCHES THICK.
> > BESIDES THERE IS A DOCUMENTARY PROOF OF THERMATE BEING PRESENT IN THE
> > SLAG! HOW DID IT GET THERE?
>
>         Ermmm debris from your tinfoil hat?
>
>         IBM

THIS COUNTRY HAS SPENT LESS MONEY INVESTIGATING 911, THEN WE SPEND
INVESTIGATING AN AVERAGE MURDER



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> Admitting that the Holocaust occurred is not the same as admitting
> that it was a bad thing to have happened.
>
> --
> Ray Fischer
> rfisc...@sonic.net
OF  COURSE IT HAPPENED, WHEN THE JEWISH COMMISSARS SLAUGHTERED 100
MILLION RUSSIANS AND UKRAINIANS THAT WAS A HOLOCAUST TO END ALL




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From: Venceremos 
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On May 4, 1:47 pm, Parsifal  wrote:
> On 4 Mai, 06:46, J Young  wrote:
>
> > On May 3, 2:35?am, cactus  wrote:
>
> > > J Young wrote:
> > > > It is this type of predictable corruption that keeps various
> > > > governments, organizations, and even individuals such as myself from
> > > > donating funds to holocaust education groups.
>
> > > You hypocrite - you would never make a donation to such an organization
> > > anyway.
>
> > Why wouldn't I? Despite claims to the contrary, I have never denied
> > that the holocaust took place. I have questioned certain aspects about
> > it but have always maintained that genocide on some scale was
> > perpetrated upon the jewish people, amongst others.
>
> Do you think you have any chance of convincing any of us, J Young aka
> the nazi turd, considering your long history with antisemitic
> postings?
>
> Remember this, sent on Nov. 26, 2006, about Auschwitz:
> "These 'survivors' should show a little gratitude. These facilities
> are
> getting worn down through age and could use a nice face-lift. A fresh
> coat
> of paint might actually cheer the place up a little and some curtains
> on the
> windows wouldn't hurt either. We all know the history of what went on
> there;
> there's no reason to make the trip there any more depressing."
>
> Or this thread that you stard on March, 26:
> "The Diminishing Numbers of Dead in Auschwitz."
>
> Or that one, on August 15, 2004:
> "The Diminishing Numbers of Alleged Dead in Auschwitz"
>
> Do you remember this comment "Some people ought to learn to stop being
> so sensitive and lighten up a
> little. ", (January 5, 2006) about a Krakow bus company's
> advertisement for round-trip tickets to Auschwitz, with barbed wire in
> the
> ad's background.
>
> Shall I continue?
>
> Oh, and how about
> "I'm not much for poetry but I'll give it a shot:
>
> Roses are red
> Violets are blue
> Watch your wallets
> Here comes a Jew "
> sent on September 12, 2006.
>
> So either you're a tasteless troll or you're a real nazi. In both
> cases, you're a disgusting piece of shit.
THE WORLD IS SICK AND TIRED OF THE JEWISH BULLSHIT, ALL OF US WHO
LIVED THROUGH THE PERIOD KNOW FULL WELL THAT IT HAPPENED TO ALL OF US
NOT JUST THE FUCKING JEWS!




From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:22:56 EDT 2007
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From: "ElParedon" 
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A top US commander predicted Friday intensifying fighting and more 
casualties as US and Iraqi forces move into sanctuaries used by Al-Qaeda to 
mount major terror bombings in Baghdad.

"As we have surged, we find the enemy surging as well," said Major General 
Rick Lynch, who commands an area in central Iraq that wraps around southern 
Baghdad.

"We are taking the fight to the enemy to counter his capabilities, but over 
time, especially as we continue to put our forces in areas where they have 
never operated we can expect to take continued casualties," he said.

Thirteen US soldiers under Lynch's command were killed and 39 wounded last 
month, mainly as a result of roadside bombs, according to the general, who 
said the number of attacks in his area has increased.

He said Al-Qaeda and associated extremist groups were the biggest threat but 
Iranian-made arms and munitions, including armor-piercing shaped explosives, 
were also turning up in his area.

As a buildup of US forces peaks this summer, Lynch said US troops will press 
in on sanctuaries that extremist groups have succeeded in establishing in 
the area, setting the stage for more intense fighting.

"When these surge units get on the ground, we're going to move to control 
those sanctuaries and that is going to come at cost," he told reporters here 
via video linkup from Iraq.

"So everybody has to acknowledge the fact that this still is a very 
difficult, very dangerous situation that we're working through on a daily 
basis," he said.

He said the biggest concern is that Al-Qaeda will step up its campaign of 
large scale car bombings and suicide attacks to try to fuel Sunni-Shia 
sectarian violence.

On Sunday, a massive car bombing in the Shiite shrine city of Karbala killed 
more than 70 people.

"He's not going to give up, he's not going to give those sanctuary areas up 
without a fight. So there's a fight that's fixing to happen in those 
sanctuary areas," Lynch said of Al-Qaeda.

At the same time, he charged that Iran was providing Shiite extremist groups 
with financing, training and explosively formed penetrators, or EFPs.

"The EFPs are killing our soldiers and we can trace that back to Iran," he 
said.

He said US and Iraqi forces found mortars, rockets and ammunition with 
recent date stamps and Iranian markings in a raid April 22 in the town of 
Mahmudiya.




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 SURE!  LIMEYS CAN HAVE ALL THE FUCKING JEWS THEY WANT,  NOBODY ELSE WANTS 
THE BASTARDS 




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 HOORAY!  JEWS WON! 




From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:22:57 EDT 2007
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"Michael Ejercito"  wrote in message 
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> On May 3, 10:04 pm, "Bin C'r'amer"  wrote:
>> "Michael Ejercito"  wrote in message
>>
>> news:1178218232.880153.75910@c35g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> > On May 3, 9:18 am, Venceremos  wrote:
>> >>  SLAVERY IS IN FULL SWING IN TEL AVIV, PEOPLE ARE BEING SOLD LIKE
>> >> CHATTEL IN THE DINGY BORDELLOS OF TELL AVIV
>>
>> >   How many did you buy?
>>
>> You should watch the activity near the bordellos in TelAviv and Haifa on
>> Thursday nights. All these orthodox, rastafarian looking buggers turning 
>> up
>> on their bikes, for a quick shag before Friday.
>
>   It really must be shameful and pathetic to pay someone for pussy.

Which woman in the world would give free pussy to a smelly cockroach Jew? 




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One in three US combat troops would condone torture: survey
AFP



      March 4, 2007

      WASHINGTON (AFP) - A survey of US combat troops deployed in Iraq has 
found that one in 10 said they mistreated civilians and more than a third 
condoned torture to save the life of a comrade, a report said Friday.

      The study by an army mental health advisory team found continuing 
problems with morale and that acute mental health issues were more prevalent 
among troops with lengthening tours or on their second and third deployment 
to Iraq.

      "They looked under every rock, and what they found was not always easy 
to look at," said Ward Casscells, the Pentagon's health affairs chief.

      For the first time ever, a sampling of soldiers and marines in combat 
units were questioned on issues of character, and their answers suggested 
hardened attitudes toward civilians among front line troops:

      -- About 10 percent of soldiers surveyed reported mistreating 
non-combatants or damaging their property when it was not necessary;

      -- Less than half of the soldiers and marines would report a team 
member for unethical behavior;

      -- More than a third of all soldiers and marines reported that torture 
should be allowed to save the life of a fellow soldier or marine.

      Major General Gale Pollock, the army's acting surgeon general, sought 
to make a distinction between soldiers' thoughts about torture and their 
actions.

      "These men and women have been seeing their friends injured and I 
think that having that thought is normal," she said at a
      Pentagon press conference.

      "But what it speaks to is the leadership that the military is 
providing, because they're not acting on those thoughts. They're not 
torturing the people," she said.

      The team surveyed 1,320 soldiers and 447 marines between August and 
October 2006 in Iraq. Although the report was completed in November, it was 
only released Friday in censored form after its findings began to leak to 
the press.

      The study found that morale among soldiers was worse than among 
marines, which it said was explained in part by the marines' shorter six 
month tours.

      The team recommended that the army's yearlong tours in Iraq either be 
shortened, or that soldiers be given 18 to 36 months between deployment to 
recover.

      Instead, the army is moving in the opposite direction, extending tours 
to 15 months to keep pace with a surge in forces. The army is struggling to 
allow units a year at home between deployments.


      WHAT THESE IDIOTS DO NOT UNDERSTAND IS THAT TORTURE AND BEATINGS ARE A 
TWO WAY STREET.









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"DoD"  wrote in message 
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>
> "Venceremos"  wrote in message 
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>> On May 4, 6:24 pm, "howard.aub...@gmail.com" 
>> wrote:
>>> On May 4, 3:45 pm, "DoD"  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hmm, I wonder where 'stoning' got started...  I Know!!  In Judaism!!!!
>>>
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stoning
>>
>> He has not seen "Zorba the Greek"!
>
> Howard is a moron... and so are you... From the very same wiki article... 
> So you can see Alex, there were only 8 done back in the day, but your 
> barbaric brothers still pracitce it.

My brothers are going to cut your balls off and stuff them up your arse for 
lying 




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"DoD"  wrote in message 
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>> HOORAY!  JEWS WON!
>
> They will win.

Won shit! They will be sent to Russia and Germany where they were originally 
shitted out! 




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"DoD"  wrote in message 
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>
> "Cazador"  wrote in message 
> news:1178336139.690936.183070@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>> On May 4, 10:30 pm, "DoD"  wrote:
>>> "ElParedon"  wrote in message
>>>
>>> news:eSP_h.24075$XU4.19823@bignews8.bellsouth.net...
>>>
>>> > HOORAY!  JEWS WON!
>>>
>>> They will win.
>>
>> What?
>
> Their security.
 Through torturing, beating and killing men women and children? Hitler tried 
that once 




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"Salah Jafar"  wrote in message 
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> Lebanon is caught in political gridlock in the face of sustained 
> opposition to the U.S.-backed government.
>
>
>
> The government is refusing to give in to opposition demands for more 
> representation. The government says it is there to stay; so do the 
> protestors.
>
> Their opposition is very visible. Scores of tents, many with solar powered 
> television sets, wooden walls and doors, and cooking facilities fill 
> several huge parking lots at the foot of the heavily barricaded 
> headquarters of Prime Minister Fouad Siniora's government.
>
> The site is mostly quiet during the day, but in the evening thousands 
> stream into the camps to listen to speeches, drink coffee and tea, smoke 
> hubble-bubble pipes, and talk. And, in the Riad es-Solh Square, they watch 
> the huge movie-sized screen of Al-Manar television news (Hezbollah's TV 
> station).
>
> "We're here demanding full participation of all different groups in the 
> political decision-making of our country," a 27-year-old organiser at the 
> site who gave his name only as Jirgus told IPS.
>
> The protest is already bringing results, he said. "One of the advantages 
> of this sit-in is that people from the north are meeting people from the 
> south, and different religions are uniting."
>
> Like everyone else IPS spoke with at the sit-in, Jirgus said he would 
> continue with the protest as long as it took.
>
> "As long as this government continues with their pro-U.S. and pro-Israel 
> policies, and continues to choose not to allow all people fair 
> representation, we are left with only this choice," he said.
>
> Four big political parties participated in a huge protest rally Dec. 10 
> last year, probably Lebanon's largest ever. That demonstration was 
> immediately followed by the launch of the sit-in.
>
> The four parties are Hezbollah led by the charismatic Hassan Nasrallah, 
> the Free Patriotic movement led by former general Michel Aoun who is a 
> Christian, the Amal movement led by Nabih Berri and the Syrian Social 
> Nationalist Party.
>
> Several smaller parties of various religious confessions are also 
> participating in the ongoing protest.
>
> The opposition insists that the cabinet must resign in favour of a 
> national unity government. Siniora's cabinet continues to refuse this 
> demand. The government is in survival mode, but continues to have the 
> backing of the United States, France and Saudi Arabia.
>
> Many protestors are raising basic issues that go beyond party loyalties.
>
> "Our goal is companionship while the government's goal is to serve 
> corporate interests," a primary school teacher who gave his name as Marada 
> told IPS. "We have two million of Lebanon's four million people that are 
> not represented by these elitists, who only care about their own 
> interests. I'll stay here as long as it takes. The government didn't leave 
> us with anything, so we have nothing to lose."
>
> Opposition supporters say that both disparity of wealth and unequal 
> representation in government are critical problems, that are feeding the 
> protests.
>
> "We are peacefully contesting the government to show that people without a 
> voice are actually the majority," Ali Hamir, a 55-year-old translator at 
> the sit-in told IPS. "It is only rich people who have a voice in this 
> current government, while the middle and lower classes are not listened 
> to. There is a class mentality in this government."
>
> He added, "We are open-minded and want to live with all communities, but 
> we are opposed to class-based oppression."
>
> Hamir said he will not end the sit-in until the opposition wins. "Our 
> breaths will last long. We will not stop until we reach our goal. We do 
> not despair."
>
> Others are happy at the unification amongst the different parties.
>
> "It's new for us to be together with all of these other groups," a student 
> from the Free Patriotic Movement who gave his name as Aran told IPS. "It 
> is good because Muslims, Christians and all of the confessions are here 
> together. We hope this experience will be diffused throughout society."
>
> Streets lined with concrete barriers and two levels of barbed wire 
> separate the camp from government buildings. Lebanese soldiers keep watch 
> over the protestors. But the protesters seem to ignore them; there is more 
> of a party atmosphere within the camp.
>
> But this is a party with a purpose.

The only people offering security to Lebanon are Hezbollah. God Bless them! 




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"torresdD"  wrote in message 
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> http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1178198606367&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
> The judge in the trial against
> former AIPAC (American Israel
> Public Affairs Committee)
> staffers sternly chastised
> the prosecution Wednesday
> for delaying the trial,
>
> after the government asked
> for more time to decide how
> it would proceed in the case.
>
> The prosecution's request set back
> the expected start of the trial
> against Steve Rosen and Keith Weissman,
> accused of passing on classified information,
> well past its scheduled start of June 4.
>
> After it lost a bid last month to
> seal most of the trial from the public,
>
> the prosecution had been expected
> to tell the court on Wednesday which
> intelligence evidence it would likely
> use or to appeal the judge's ruling
> against keeping the trial secret.
>
> The government had argued the proceedings
> should be closed on national security grounds,
> but Federal Judge T.S. Ellis III
> refused the request.
>
> Prosecutors said Wednesday they
> needed more time to consult with
> the many government agencies
> involved in providing the
> intelligence over which
> sensitive material can be
> presented in a public trial.
>
> If they decide no new
> information can be revealed,
> it could jeopardize their
> ability to build a case
> against Rosen and Weissman.
>
> Ellis set a new deadline of May 21
> for the government to respond.
>
> He warned that further delays
> could also jeopardize their case.
>
> "These people have sat
> around indicted for years.
>
> These agencies have got
> to get with it," Ellis said.
>
> "You've got to do it.
>
> It's a matter of devoting the
> resources and attention to it."
>
> The judge warned that there
> could be consequences for the
> prosecution if it did not do
> as he told them.
>
> Rosen, former AIPAC foreign policy chief,
> and Weissman, AIPAC's former Iran analyst,
> were indicted two years ago.
>
Fucking Jews! They spy and they run the country at the same time! 




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"FRANKIE LEE"  wrote in message 
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> My Hero!
> ------------
> Someone impersonate my name and post messages under the name Frankie Lee
> today.
>
> (FRANKIE LEE" <@Ball Carrying Institute> wrote in message
> news:463b6805$0$16300$88260bb3@free.teranews.com...
>> Out of my three heroes - Bush - Blair - Osama bin Laden
>> I think Osama bin Laden is the greatest. Without Osama, Bush and Blair 
>> are
>> non persona.)
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> ***What is your point by impersonating my name?
> Bush is an American Hero, despite his lack of eloquent-speech, yet he
> manages
> to become a great American President.

SOME HERO! COWARDLY DESERTER, LIAR AND TORTURER, STICK HIM UP YOUR ARSE! 




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On May 5, 2:11 am, Ian MacLure  wrote:
> Vinnyramass  wrote innews:1178293398.229605.62280@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com:
>
>         [snip]
>
> > THIS COUNTRY HAS SPENT LESS MONEY INVESTIGATING 911, THEN WE SPEND
> > INVESTIGATING AN AVERAGE MURDER
>
>         Well were it up to you we'd be investigating until we got the
>         answer you want.
 IT IS BEING INVESTIGATED BY 500 SCIENTISTS ALL OF WHOM AGREE THAT
BUSH AND HIS JEWS ARE LYING!



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On May 5, 2:12 am, Ian MacLure  wrote:
> Vinnyramass  wrote innews:1178293296.508203.220490@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com:
>
>         [snip]
>
> > The more scientist learn about the thermate, the more truth comes out,
> > very soon most of Americans will know the truth, up to now it is at
> > 57% Americans who dibelieve the ZioNazi lies!
>
>         Behold Vinny.
>         Who is like unto a brook of murky water.
>         For he babbles and it smells like shit.
 MUST BE THE JEWSM THEY SMELL THAT WAY!



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On May 5, 2:03 am, Ian MacLure  wrote:
> "ElHardon"  wrote innews:nQE_h.21001$vD4.14722@bigfe9:
>
> > "Ian MacLure"  wrote in message
> >news:Xns9925AFFFB86E0ibmsvpalorg@216.196.97.131...
> >> "Venceremos"  wrote in
> >>news:1175658768.579571.211190@b75g2000hsg.googlegroups.com:
>
> >>> Nancy Pelosi, D-Israel, Part II
> >>> Eli Stephens, Left I on the News
>
> >>    Would that be the same Pelosi Begum who recently
> >>    sashayed through Syria in a burqa/abbayah?
>
> >>    IBM
> > You are a liar! She never wore an abaya.
>
>         That might have worked in the old days. Unfortunately for
>         loons of your sort, there are pictures on the web of Pelosi
>         Begum wrapped up in her abayah. Something I would hasten to
>         point out cannot be said of oh say Condi Rice or Mrs Bush.
>
> > But George Bush did don the Jew cap and kissed the Israeli flag!
>
>         I should certainly hope so.
>         Israel is an important and dependable ally.
>
>
 SOME ALLY! MORE JEWS SPY ON UNITED STATES THAN FROM ANY OTHER
COUNTRY, AND THEY MILK THE AMERICAN TAXPAYER FOR ALL IT IS WORTH.
AND USA IS NOT WORTH VERY MUCH RIGHT NOW. CHINESE WILL PROBABLY HAVE
IT SOON FOR A ONE MONTH'S MORTGAGE PAYMENT




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 Top U.S. military official injured in Baghdad


Associated Press

BAGHDAD - A senior U.S. commander was wounded by small arms fire while 
inspecting a security barrier being built around a Sunni enclave in Baghdad, 
the U.S. military said Friday.

The attack occurred Thursday in Azamiyah, an area on the eastern side of the 
Tigris River whose residents have been victims of retaliatory mortar attacks 
by Shiite militants - often following bombings blamed on Sunnis. The 
shooting was witnessed by an Associated Press Television cameraman.

A U.S. military spokesman, Lt. Col. Scott Bleichwehl, said the commander's 
family has been notified, but he declined to release the officer's name.

Construction of the wall has drawn strong criticism from residents who say 
it is a form of sectarian discrimination. Followers of radical Shiite cleric 
Muqtada al-Sadr say they fear Shiite areas in Baghdad, such as Sadr City, 
will be next to see the U.S.-built barriers.

Much of the construction is being done at night by troops wearing 
night-vision goggles. But the officer was wounded while conducting a daytime 
survey.

U.S. and Iraqi officials have defended the barrier's construction, which 
began last month, as a temporary measure to protect the neighborhood as part 
of a citywide security crackdown.

Last month, Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, a Shiite, said he had ordered a 
halt to the construction of the wall, saying "there are other methods to 
protect neighborhoods" and "this wall reminds us of other walls that we 
reject."

But his security aides later said he was responding to exaggerated reports 
in the media and that construction would continue.

When the wall is finished, Azamiyah will be gated and checkpoints manned by 
Iraqi soldiers will be the only entries, the U.S. military said, stressing 
that the decision had been made in coordination with the Iraqis.

For years, U.S. and Iraqi forces have erected cement barriers around 
marketplaces and coalition bases and outposts in Baghdad and other Iraqi 
cities to prevent attacks. U.S. forces also have built huge sand barriers 
around towns such as Tal Afar, an insurgent stronghold near the Syrian 
border.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/world/4777572.html 




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UK and US must admit defeat and leave Iraq, says British general


Julian Borger
Friday May 4, 2007
The Guardian


A retired British army general says Iraq's insurgents are justified in 
opposing the occupation, arguing that the US and its allies should "admit 
defeat" and leave Iraq before more soldiers are killed.
General Sir Michael Rose told the BBC's Newsnight programme: "It is the 
soldiers who have been telling me from the frontline that the war they have 
been fighting is a hopeless war, that they cannot possibly win it and the 
sooner we start talking politics and not military solutions, the sooner they 
will come home and their lives will be preserved."

Asked if that meant admitting defeat, the general replied: "Of course we 
have to admit defeat. The British admitted defeat in north America and the 
catastrophes that were predicted at the time never happened.

"The catastrophes that were predicted after Vietnam never happened. The same 
thing will occur after we leave Iraq."

General Rose is a former SAS commander and head of UN forces in Bosnia. Last 
year, he called for Tony Blair to be impeached for going to war on "false 
pretences". He has written a book, entitled Washington's War, which compares 
the Iraqi rebels to George Washington's irregular forces in the American war 
of independence.

When he was asked if he thought the Iraqi insurgents were right to try to 
force the US-led coalition out, he replied: "Yes I do. As Lord Chatham [the 
politician William Pitt, the Elder, who, in the second half of the 18th 
century called for a cessation of hostilities in the colonies and favoured 
American resistance to the British Stamp Act] said, 'if I was an American - 
as I am an Englishman - as long as one Englishman remained on American 
native soil, I would never, never, never lay down my arms'. The Iraqi 
insurgents feel exactly the same way. I don't excuse them for some of the 
terrible things they do, but I do understand why they are resisting the 
Americans."




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UK and US must admit defeat and leave Iraq, says British general


Julian Borger
Friday May 4, 2007
The Guardian


A retired British army general says Iraq's insurgents are justified in 
opposing the occupation, arguing that the US and its allies should "admit 
defeat" and leave Iraq before more soldiers are killed.
General Sir Michael Rose told the BBC's Newsnight programme: "It is the 
soldiers who have been telling me from the frontline that the war they have 
been fighting is a hopeless war, that they cannot possibly win it and the 
sooner we start talking politics and not military solutions, the sooner they 
will come home and their lives will be preserved."

Asked if that meant admitting defeat, the general replied: "Of course we 
have to admit defeat. The British admitted defeat in north America and the 
catastrophes that were predicted at the time never happened.

"The catastrophes that were predicted after Vietnam never happened. The same 
thing will occur after we leave Iraq."

General Rose is a former SAS commander and head of UN forces in Bosnia. Last 
year, he called for Tony Blair to be impeached for going to war on "false 
pretences". He has written a book, entitled Washington's War, which compares 
the Iraqi rebels to George Washington's irregular forces in the American war 
of independence.

When he was asked if he thought the Iraqi insurgents were right to try to 
force the US-led coalition out, he replied: "Yes I do. As Lord Chatham [the 
politician William Pitt, the Elder, who, in the second half of the 18th 
century called for a cessation of hostilities in the colonies and favoured 
American resistance to the British Stamp Act] said, 'if I was an American - 
as I am an Englishman - as long as one Englishman remained on American 
native soil, I would never, never, never lay down my arms'. The Iraqi 
insurgents feel exactly the same way. I don't excuse them for some of the 
terrible things they do, but I do understand why they are resisting the 
Americans."




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From: Venceremos 
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Indian lawmakers hit back at US threat over Iran ties

    * Indo-US nuclear bill to be debated again in parliament


By Iftikhar Gilani

NEW DELHI: Indian government on Friday agreed to once again debate the
Indo-US nuclear deal in the parliament as a letter from a US lawmaker
pressing India to back off from its engagements with Iran to save the
nuclear deal sent the Rajya Sabha in rages.

Both the allies and the opposition lashed out at the US attitude and
demanded a statement from Prime Minister Dr Manmohan Singh. The
provocation was a letter written by US senator Tom Lantos directly to
the Prime Minister asking him to "terminate" all energy cooperation
and military ties with Iran that the BJP and its ally Janata Dal(U) as
well as CPI(M) described as an interference in India's sovereignty.

The House was in turmoil right from start of the day and the question
hour could start only 25 minutes later and at one stages it appeared
heading for another adjournment as the BJP members stormed into the
House in protest of parliamentary affairs minister Priya Ranjan
Dasmunsi asserting that the UPA government did not follow the NDA's
policy of "Ghutna dabana" (massaging knee) with the United States.

Chairman Bhairon Singh Shekhawat, however, handled the situation
tactfully, declaring to expunge the objected remark of the minister if
found unparliamentary and Dasmunsi said he was only responding to the
opposition members accusing the government of buckling under pressure.

He later told reporters that the Prime Minister has repeatedly taken
Parliament into confidence about the nuclear deal with the United
States and he may do so again in the next two weeks. He vowed to the
legacy of Mahatma Gandhi and Jawaharlal Nehru that the Congress
follows and asserted that India would not compromise its sovereignty
in any manner.

The issue was brought into focus by former foreign minister Yashwant
Sinha of BJP as soon as the House started and wanted the government to
take parliament into confidence about the media reports that India and
US may be signing the nuclear deal before the end of this month. He
said the government should also repudiate the American senator's
threat to the Prime Minister to terminate the deal unless India toes
US policy on Iran.

Sinha said this was the second time that this Senator had insulted
India. First was when former External Affairs Minister Natwar Singh
visited Iran and he (Lantos) had said he (Natwar Singh) ''had no
mind''. The BJP leader said the US should be conveyed a very strong
message that India would not accept any compromise with its
sovereignty in what he termed as ''the temerity of writing an open
letter of threat'' to the Prime Minister.

CPI-M's Brinda Karat went a step further and asked the government to
summon the American ambassador and warn him that such letters by the
American senators amount to interference in India's independent
foreign policy and that it cannot be tolerated. She said the US should
be told categorically that ''this country is not for sale.''

Pointing out that the government was on the threshold of signing the
nuclear deal with the United States, Brinda and Janata Dal (U) member
Digvijay Singh, a former junior foreign minister in NDA government,
stressed that the details of the negotiations held by India's foreign
secretary in Washington this week for finalising the deal should be
shared with the parliament.

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2007%5C05%5C05%5Cstory_5-5-2007_pg4_16



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From: Venceremos 
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Tel Aviv - In Israel, the number of emigrants exceeded the number of
immigrants for the first time in 20 years, the Israeli daily Yediot
Ahronot
reported Friday. Many emigrants were recent arrivals who wanted to
leave
Israel again, the report said. In 2007, 14,400 immigrants are expected
in
Israel while 20,000 people are expected to leave the country,
according to
the report based on figures for the first months of 2007.

The last time emigration exceeded immigration was in the aftermath of
the
1973 Yom Kippur War and in 1983 and 1984 when inflation was high.

Meanwhile the Maariv newspaper reported that approximately a quarter
of the
Israeli population was considering emigration.

Almost half of the country's young people were thinking of leaving the
country, the report said. Their reasons included dissatisfaction with
the
government, the education system, a lack of confidence in the
political
ruling class and concern over the security situation.



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From: Venceremos 
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Subject: Re: A few words about National Anthems....
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On May 2, 5:17 pm, Ariel  wrote:
> On May 2, 2:39 pm, "ElParedon"  wrote:
>
>
>
> > "Ariel"  wrote in message
>
> >news:1178131563.677266.261260@c35g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > On May 2, 12:25 pm, Daniel Bernard 
> > > wrote:
> > >> On Wed, 2 May 2007 12:07:41 -0500, "DoD"  wrote:
> > >> >Israels... HaTikvah  "The Hope" (written in 1886)
>
> > >> >As long as the Jewish spirit is yearning deep in the heart,
> > >> >With eyes turned toward the East,
>
> > >> "East as in Moscow and the Urals"
>
> > >> >looking toward Zion,
>
> > >> "Just like in the crappy second and third Matrix movie"
>
> > >> >Then our hope - the two-thousand-year-old hope - will not be lost:
>
> > >> >To be a free people in our land,
>
> > >> "And our land is Poland, Latvia and Lithuania!"
>
> > >> Hey Iscariot, seeing as this shit has been cross posted to s.c.u, why
> > >> not give us a burst of the American national anthem?
>
> > >> Also, why was this shit cross posted to s.c.e? Are you a fugging troll
> > >> or something?
> > >> --
> > >> amicalement,
>
> > >> Daniel
>
> > > and what are you? a half french, braindead usernet nanny?
>
> > At least he is not stealing other people's land like kikes are doing- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> and why don't you go back to serbia old fart? how's peter pan doing?
> did the police knock on your door yet? your file is growing and you
> could soon sent back packing to whatever dump you came from


Fucking idiot! Why would police knock on my fucking door? There are
too many Jewish drug dealers artound here to keep them busy!



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 GROWING UP A JEW IN FRIENDLY ARAB LAND:

Growing up as a Jew in Cairo

By Victor D. Sanua, Ph.

About 50 years ago, I came to America to study psychology. I was
fluent in English but my speech had a slight accent? Many people would
ask about my background. This was difficult to answer since one single
response would not suffice. If I was asked my place of birth, it was
Egypt (but I was not Egyptian ) . If I was asked about my passport, I
indicated I was Italian, but never lived in Italy; if they inquired
about the origin of my family, I would indicate Spain but I had to add
that my family left Spain about 500 years ago, went to Italy, and
later settled in Istanbul where I found burial stones with the name
Sanua (meaning "modest" in Hebrew), one dated early 17th.. Century.
The only thing I was sure about in my background was the fact that I
was Jewish. I am presenting this short exchange to indicate that a
large number of Jews born in Egypt were not culturally indigenous to
the country. During the middle of the 19th. Century, the ruler of
Egypt who wanted to modernise the country readily accepted Europeans,
consequently, a large number of Ladino speaking Jews came from Turkey.

In time, the dominant foreign language became French, in view of the
large number of French schools such as the Lycee Fancais and the
Catholic Schools ( Fr=E8res) which were attended by a large number of
Jewish children. My education started in the school of Bab-el-Louk.
Besides French, two other languages were taught, English and Arabic.
Two hours a week were devoted to the language of the country. Since
the Arabic that was taught was classical and had little to do with
spoken Arabic, many of us were never conversant with the language,
unless the home language was Arabic. However, we were able to manage
with "street" Arabic... All department stores had French speaking
employees. In my home, we spoke French and Ladino. Depending on their
background, Jews spoke other languages. The small Askenazi community
spoke Yiddish. Of course, the different nationals whose parents came
>from various countries spoke the language of their origin, and schools
were established for Italians, Germans, Greeks and Armenians. A few
scools taught in English. Since most of the students who attended such
schools and who wanted to pursue professional careers could not attend
Egyptian Universities because of Arabic deficiencies had to go abroad.
Only few students attended Egyptian Universities. In view of the
decline of France as a power , learning English became more important
and it was at that time that I pursued my education in English, first
in he high school attached to the American University at Cairo, and
later in their liberal college which made it possible for me to
continue with my studies in the U.S.A.

Social life for Jews, between the two World Wars, was quite pleasant.
Life centred on families, club activities and swimming pool
facilities. Cairo had practically everything that a major European
city could offer, Italian operas, ballet, Comedy Francaise, foreign
symphony orchestras, etc. We had the most recent movies produced in
the U.S.A., England, France and Italy. Alexandria was the major Resort
City where many Cairenes went to the beaches during vacation time.
Alexandria and Cairo had numerous nightclubs presenting shows. There
was one particular favourite place for dinner and dancing in Cairo
that was called Groppi. I was a member of a club called Judeo-Espagnol
but, because of the rising nationalism, the name was changed to Judeo-
Egyptian.

A teacher came to my home to prepare me for my Bar Mitzvah, which was
celebrated in the major synagogue in Cairo called Shaar Ha Shamayim
(The Gates of Heaven). The famous Chief Rabbi of Egypt, Haim Nahoum
Effendi, conducted the service. In 1984, 34 years after leaving Egypt,
I returned with my daughter to visit this synagogue. One of the
remaining Jewish residents. I learned that she died later in 1995. On
Friday evenings the synagogue was always crowded and there was only
standing room if one was late. During the High Holidays, all
synagogues were well attended. Clubs, private schools and large homes
were used to conduct the Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur prayers. What
was particularly strange was when thanked God for having delivered us
>from the Egyptians during Pessah Seders. Our identity as Jews was
quite strong and we even learned to sing the Hatikva in Ladino. There
were times of sadness, however. Many times during the year, the ritual
of what we called "meldado" (Yahrzeit) was observed. The custom was
celebrated in the home. There were a number of older men of modest
means who kept dates of deaths and made a living conducting such
services in the homes. We requested a number of men to make sure that
we had minyan, particularly in the middle of the week. Between
prayers, they discussed in Ladino passages of the Bible. These idyllic
conditions of Jews in Egypt came slowly to an end with the conflict in
Palestine, culminating with the establishment of the State of Israel
in 1948, and the disappearance of a vibrant community. Today, there
might possibly be about 100 older persons in all Egypt.

Since very little is widely known about the life of Jews from Egypt
and their subsequent trials and tribulations, it would be important to
commemorate the 50 years of the Second Exodus of Jews from Egypt in
1998. In 1992, we had an International Conference on the expulsion of
Jews from Spain. The international Conference of Jews from Egypt will
have witnesses who will be able to relate their own experiences.
Furthermore, a number of scholars familiar with the evens could be
invited. Anyone who feels that this would be an important conference
to hold in New York, and who have suggestions regarding its
organisation should write to me.

For a more in-depth expos=E9 of my experiences, the reader is referred
to the book Fields of Offerings by Victor D. Sanua ( Ed.) Ruthrford:
Fairleigh Dickinson University Press, 1983.

Dr. Victor Sanua is Research Professor in the Dept. Of Psychology at
St. John's University, Jamaica, NY 11439. Please write, c\o Image
Magazine, P.O.Box 290-642, Brooklyn, NY 11229-0642.




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 GROWING UP A JEW IN FRIENDLY ARAB CAIRO

Growing up as a Jew in Cairo

By Victor D. Sanua, Ph.

About 50 years ago, I came to America to study psychology. I was
fluent in English but my speech had a slight accent? Many people would
ask about my background. This was difficult to answer since one single
response would not suffice. If I was asked my place of birth, it was
Egypt (but I was not Egyptian ) . If I was asked about my passport, I
indicated I was Italian, but never lived in Italy; if they inquired
about the origin of my family, I would indicate Spain but I had to add
that my family left Spain about 500 years ago, went to Italy, and
later settled in Istanbul where I found burial stones with the name
Sanua (meaning "modest" in Hebrew), one dated early 17th.. Century.
The only thing I was sure about in my background was the fact that I
was Jewish. I am presenting this short exchange to indicate that a
large number of Jews born in Egypt were not culturally indigenous to
the country. During the middle of the 19th. Century, the ruler of
Egypt who wanted to modernise the country readily accepted Europeans,
consequently, a large number of Ladino speaking Jews came from Turkey.

In time, the dominant foreign language became French, in view of the
large number of French schools such as the Lycee Fancais and the
Catholic Schools ( Fr=E8res) which were attended by a large number of
Jewish children. My education started in the school of Bab-el-Louk.
Besides French, two other languages were taught, English and Arabic.
Two hours a week were devoted to the language of the country. Since
the Arabic that was taught was classical and had little to do with
spoken Arabic, many of us were never conversant with the language,
unless the home language was Arabic. However, we were able to manage
with "street" Arabic... All department stores had French speaking
employees. In my home, we spoke French and Ladino. Depending on their
background, Jews spoke other languages. The small Askenazi community
spoke Yiddish. Of course, the different nationals whose parents came
>from various countries spoke the language of their origin, and schools
were established for Italians, Germans, Greeks and Armenians. A few
scools taught in English. Since most of the students who attended such
schools and who wanted to pursue professional careers could not attend
Egyptian Universities because of Arabic deficiencies had to go abroad.
Only few students attended Egyptian Universities. In view of the
decline of France as a power , learning English became more important
and it was at that time that I pursued my education in English, first
in he high school attached to the American University at Cairo, and
later in their liberal college which made it possible for me to
continue with my studies in the U.S.A.

Social life for Jews, between the two World Wars, was quite pleasant.
Life centred on families, club activities and swimming pool
facilities. Cairo had practically everything that a major European
city could offer, Italian operas, ballet, Comedy Francaise, foreign
symphony orchestras, etc. We had the most recent movies produced in
the U.S.A., England, France and Italy. Alexandria was the major Resort
City where many Cairenes went to the beaches during vacation time.
Alexandria and Cairo had numerous nightclubs presenting shows. There
was one particular favourite place for dinner and dancing in Cairo
that was called Groppi. I was a member of a club called Judeo-Espagnol
but, because of the rising nationalism, the name was changed to Judeo-
Egyptian.

A teacher came to my home to prepare me for my Bar Mitzvah, which was
celebrated in the major synagogue in Cairo called Shaar Ha Shamayim
(The Gates of Heaven). The famous Chief Rabbi of Egypt, Haim Nahoum
Effendi, conducted the service. In 1984, 34 years after leaving Egypt,
I returned with my daughter to visit this synagogue. One of the
remaining Jewish residents. I learned that she died later in 1995. On
Friday evenings the synagogue was always crowded and there was only
standing room if one was late. During the High Holidays, all
synagogues were well attended. Clubs, private schools and large homes
were used to conduct the Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur prayers. What
was particularly strange was when thanked God for having delivered us
>from the Egyptians during Pessah Seders. Our identity as Jews was
quite strong and we even learned to sing the Hatikva in Ladino. There
were times of sadness, however. Many times during the year, the ritual
of what we called "meldado" (Yahrzeit) was observed. The custom was
celebrated in the home. There were a number of older men of modest
means who kept dates of deaths and made a living conducting such
services in the homes. We requested a number of men to make sure that
we had minyan, particularly in the middle of the week. Between
prayers, they discussed in Ladino passages of the Bible. These idyllic
conditions of Jews in Egypt came slowly to an end with the conflict in
Palestine, culminating with the establishment of the State of Israel
in 1948, and the disappearance of a vibrant community. Today, there
might possibly be about 100 older persons in all Egypt.

Since very little is widely known about the life of Jews from Egypt
and their subsequent trials and tribulations, it would be important to
commemorate the 50 years of the Second Exodus of Jews from Egypt in
1998. In 1992, we had an International Conference on the expulsion of
Jews from Spain. The international Conference of Jews from Egypt will
have witnesses who will be able to relate their own experiences.
Furthermore, a number of scholars familiar with the evens could be
invited. Anyone who feels that this would be an important conference
to hold in New York, and who have suggestions regarding its
organisation should write to me.

For a more in-depth expos=E9 of my experiences, the reader is referred
to the book Fields of Offerings by Victor D. Sanua ( Ed.) Ruthrford:
Fairleigh Dickinson University Press, 1983.

Dr. Victor Sanua is Research Professor in the Dept. Of Psychology at
St. John's University, Jamaica, NY 11439. Please write, c\o Image
Magazine, P.O.Box 290-642, Brooklyn, NY 11229-0642.




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On May 5, 10:46 am, "hopeful"  wrote:
> Name the U. S. senator!"
PROVES THAT YOU ARE AN ILLITERATE MORON

Venceremos"  wrote in message
>
> news:1178371822.598702.247240@l77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Indian lawmakers hit back at US threat over Iran ties
>
> >    * Indo-US nuclear bill to be debated again in parliament
>
> > By Iftikhar Gilani
>
> > NEW DELHI: Indian government on Friday agreed to once again debate the
> > Indo-US nuclear deal in the parliament as a letter from a US lawmaker
> > pressing India to back off from its engagements with Iran to save the
> > nuclear deal sent the Rajya Sabha in rages.




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From: Venceremos 
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On May 5, 10:58 am, BernardZ  wrote:
> In article <1178372236.192894.80...@u30g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>,
> ser...@bellsouth.net says...
>
> >  In 2007, 14,400 immigrants are expected
> > in
> > Israel while 20,000 people are expected to leave the country,
> > according to
> > the report based on figures for the first months of 2007.
>
> That is about  5,000 people, hardly much of a number Alex.

Illiterate moron!  That is for the first three months of 07



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From: Venceremos 
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On May 5, 10:57 am, BernardZ  wrote:
> In article ,
> ser...@bellsouth.net says...
>
> > "The catastrophes that were predicted after Vietnam never happened. The same
> > thing will occur after we leave Iraq."
>
> A million dead in Vietnam after the defeat is not a catastrophe Alex?

I was there arsehole! Where you? I was at Ubon when an old Laotian
lady showed me her AK47 with 37 notches on it  To any human being
death of one person is just like the death of humanity



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From: Venceremos 
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On May 5, 11:00 am, BernardZ  wrote:
> In article <_CS_h.11362$TD3.9...@bignews5.bellsouth.net>,
> ser...@bellsouth.net says...
>
> >       WHAT THESE IDIOTS DO NOT UNDERSTAND IS THAT TORTURE AND BEATINGS ARE A
> > TWO WAY STREET.
>
> Idiot who started this street Alex?

I AM SURE THAT BEING A JEW YOU WOULD BLAME THE VICTIM!



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From: "ElParedon" 
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I HOPE THEY DO!  RAAF, IS CURSING THE DAY THEY GOT THEM, F-22 IS CRAP, A 
FLYING COFFIN!

Israel may get F-22s

Apr. 26, 2007

"The United States would be inclined to allow the sale of advanced stealth 
F-22 fighter jets to the Israeli Air Force if the State of Israel's security 
was in jeopardy, former US Secretary of Defense William S. Cohen told The 
Jerusalem Post Thursday night.

On a 24-hour visit to Israel, Cohen, who served as defense chief under 
President Bill Clinton from 1996 until 2000, met on Thursday with Prime 
Minister Ehud Olmert, Defense Minister Amir Peretz and Foreign Minister 
Tzipi Livni for talks on the looming Iranian nuclear threat and other 
regional issues.

Cohen currently heads the Cohen Group, which provides business consulting 
services and advice on tactical and strategic opportunities around the 
globe.

The Post reported last week that the Air Force has expressed newfound 
interest in receiving the F-22 - a US-developed fifth generation stealth 
fighter jet - and has requested that the Defense Ministry present the 
request on its behalf to the Pentagon. Defense officials have asked to 
receive the jet so Israel can retain its military edge in the region in face 
of American plans to sell smart bombs to Saudi Arabia.

"There is no stronger relationship than with Israel," Cohen said. "There 
could be circumstances that that level of technology would be released to 
Israelis."

While Congress and the Pentagon would be hesitant to release classified 
technology like the F-22 to Israel, "if it came to a question of Israeli 
security, I am confident they will come to help."

The F-22 has been forbidden for export by the Pentagon.

Cohen arrived in Israel Wednesday night after visiting a number of Gulf 
states, including Abu Dhabi and Dubai, as well as Jordan. Cohen said that 
during his talks with leaders in those counties he heard "sentiments" 
acknowledging that Iran was the greatest threat to stability in the Middle 
East and no longer Israel. Cohen visited Israel as secretary of defense in 
2000.

"They understand that Iran is a threat to them all," he said. "There is a 
convergence of interest evolving and you can find that Israel is not being 
seen as the adversary."

With Iran funding Hamas in the Gaza Strip, Hizbullah in Lebanon and Syria, 
there was a need to focus on the "center" when looking to find the catalyst 
for instability in the Middle East, Cohen said.

"The prospect of Iran getting nuclear weapons changes the dynamics in the 
region with great impact for rest of world," he said. "We try to seek ways 
that the Gulf states can cooperate with the US. They are not yet ready to 
announce diplomatic relations with Israel but the sentiment is shifting and 
they understand that Iran is the major threat to them and not Israel."

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1177591142861&pagename=JPost%




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    "Al Qaeda thretens to kill 300,000 American troops!"

STRAIGHT FROM BIN ADAM PEARLMAN, NEW JEWISH LEADER OF AL QAEDA!!!  HOORAY!

IT IS ALMOST LAUGHABLE HOW THIS JEWISH PROPAGANDA GETS POSTED EXACTLY AT THE 
TIME WHEN CONGRESS IS DEBATING THE END OF IRAQI GENOCIDE  (NOT WAR)

WOW the cutting edge of news ??

I do note the "name dropping" ... an especially "American method" of 
gathering audience attention.

al Qaeda .... Mossad and CIA working together

Ayman al Zawahiri ... peg-legs alleged replacement .. yet another US made 
persona

Allah ... no offence meant but more Americans use this word than others now

Osama bin Laden .. oh lets not forget the dead guy .. any combination of 
these terms is designed to strike fear and uncertainty into the American 
public ... and have them fall on their faces begging their government to 
kill everyone in the street to protect them.


So one would have to ask what this alleged Pegleg replacement would be 
interested in American politics for ... when no one else is.

It seems to me that the "self centeredness" of Americans is written all over 
this alleged mans quotes ... therefore it's almost positive that this 
Zawahiri is an American posing as something he is not.

IT HAS BIN BUSH WRITTEN ALL OVER IT!




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An English princess with an Egyptian boyfriend crashes in a French tunnel, 
driving a German car with a Dutch engine, driven by a Belgian who was drunk 
on Scotch whiskey, followed closely by Italian Paparazzi, on Japanese 
motorcycles, treated by an American doctor, using Brazilian medicines. This 
is posted by an American, using Bill Gates' technology, and you're probably 
reading this on a computer that uses Taiwanese chips and a Korean monitor, 
assembled by Bangladeshi workers in a Singapore plant, transported by Indian 
lorry-drivers, hijacked by Indonesians, unloaded by Sicilian longshoremen, 
and trucked to you by Mexican illegals. That, my friend, is Globalization 




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Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 19:56:15 -0400

 May 5, 2007

At a press conference in November 2001, George Bush stated:

A coalition partner must do more than just express sympathy. A coalition 
partner must perform. All nations must do something. It's important for 
nations to know they will be held accountable for inactivity. You're either 
with us or against us in the fight against terror.

He then went on to explain that any country that gives safe haven to a 
terrorist, even if it does not support the terrorist's intent, is just as 
guilty as a nation that sponsors terrorism. There was no ambiguity in his 
message.

Since that time, Bush has coerced countries to perform duties against their 
own will in the guise of fighting terrorism. He has made up terrorists that 
don't exist and threatened countries because of mythical figures. Thousands 
of people worldwide are in secret prisons because of Bush's "war on terror."

Despite the tough talk about abetting terrorists, Bush is a collaborator 
with terrorists. There are two world-class terrorists who will never come to 
justice because they are protected by the U.S. Most U.S. citizens have never 
heard of one: Luis Posada. The other, Ilyad Allawi, is vaguely remembered as 
a former prime minister of the "new" Iraq.

Posada's list of actions is long and comprehensive. His career highlight was 
orchestrating the blowing up of Cubana Flight 45 on October 6, 1976, in 
which all 73 people on board died, including 24 members of the Cuban 
national fencing team.

Other atrocities attributed to Posada include the planning of the bombing of 
Cuban hotels, cafés and dancehalls. In cahoots with portions of the Cuban 
exile community in Miami, Florida, Posada has been involved with bombings 
and assassinations against Cuban interests in Venezuela, Guatemala and other 
countries.

It appeared that Posada was going to be brought to justice when he was 
arrested and put on trial in Venezuela. He escaped and was on the run until 
2005, when he was arrested in the U.S. Posada claimed asylum and a judge 
ruled he could be deported, but not to Venezuela or Cuba. Both countries 
want to incarcerate him for the destruction of the airliner, but the U.S. 
administration did not allow this to happen.

On April 26, 2006, Posada applied for U.S. citizenship. He has a good chance 
of becoming a U.S. citizen, allowing him to spend the rest of his life 
outside a jail cell.

The U.S. "war on terror" does not apply to terrorists who work on the side 
of the U.S. Luis Posada was a CIA asset for years. He and the CIA worked 
hand-in-hand on many projects. When asked if he felt any guilt about his 
hotel and café bombings, he replied, "I sleep like a baby."

Let's take a look at another terrorist who eventually became Iraq's prime 
minister. On May 28, 2004, when the U.S. government announced that Ilyad 
Allawi would become Iraq's interim prime minister, most people asked, "Who?" 
Before this time, he was unknown to the U.S. public

Ilyad Allawi was an Iraqi exile living in London. When he first moved to 
London, he was a member of Iraq's Ba'ath Party. Shortly after, he changed 
sides and sold his services to the British spy agency MI6. Later on, he 
collaborated with the CIA as well.

In the mid-1990s, the Clinton administration had placed the assassination of 
Saddam Hussein at the top of its agenda, albeit in a covert manner. The plan 
was for Iraqi dissidents to meet in the north of Iraq (at the time under the 
protection of U.S. forces) and march to Baghdad. The U.S. was to supply air 
power and weapons.

Allawi was the man for the job. He was in charge of a U.S.-sponsored Iraqi 
expatriate group called the Iraqi National Accord (INA). The first part of 
the operation was to create havoc in Baghdad. For about six months in 1996, 
INA agents blew up bus stops, cinemas and stores in Baghdad. At least 150 
civilians were killed and many more injured.

Syndicated columnist Eric Margolis of the Toronto Sun was one of the few 
journalists who wrote about the plan. In his column, "The Bay of Camels," of 
August 25, 1997, he stated, "Terrorism is bad, it seems, when used against 
Americans or Israelis, but fine when used against Iraqis."

The title of Margolis' column was a mockery of the "Bay of Pigs" invasion by 
Cuban dissidents backed by the U.S. that turned into an embarrassing defeat. 
The Iraqi debacle in 1996 had similar implications, yet gained little 
publicity.

The Iraqis discovered who was behind the terrorist attacks and arrested INA 
agents in Baghdad. In addition, Iraqi special agents had already infiltrated 
the would-be insurgents. The scheduled invasion was doomed before it began. 
The infiltration of Iraqi government assets, along with a decision by the 
U.S. not to supply air cover, made it a non-starter.

At the time, a civil war was raging in the north of Iraq between the two 
largest Kurdish factions. One of their leaders, Barzani, asked Saddam 
Hussein for help in putting down his rivals. The payoff for Iraq was that 
Barzani alerted the Iraqis to the huge CIA operation in Irbil, in the north 
of Iraq. The Iraqi troops destroyed the CIA program and helped Barzani take 
over Irbil, then they returned to Baghdad.

After the failed coup, Allawi was protected by the U.S. and he fled to 
England. He still was a major behind-the-scenes player involved in the 2003 
invasion of Iraq. Many know of the escapades of Ahmed Chalabi and his group, 
the INC, but Allawi continued his work for the CIA after the failed strategy 
to get rid of Saddam.

On November 13, 2004, The Spectator, a British publication, ran a feature by 
Andrew Gilligan called "The Strongman of Baghdad." According to the article:

Unlike his main rival in Iraqi exile politics, the banker Ahmed Chalabi, he 
(Allawi) was low-key and persuasive, hinting at highly placed contacts 
inside the regime who were ready to turn the West's way. Not for the last 
time, Ilyad Allawi was telling the British, and later the U.S. government 
exactly what they wanted to hear, and the CIA millions started to pour in.

The INA's most controversial operation during this period was a campaign of 
what can only be termed terrorism against civilians. In 1994 and 1995, a 
series of bombings at cinemas, mosques and other places in Baghdad claimed 
up to 100 civilian lives .

In 1996, with massive CIA backing, Mr. Allawi finally got to mount his coup. 
It was a complete fiasco, not entirely helped by his decision to announce 
the supposedly top-secret operation to the Washington Post. Even before 
this, Saddam's secret police had secretly seized the sophisticated encrypted 
satphone sent into Iraq to communicate with the coup plotters and were using 
it to feed disinformation to the CIA. Once the coup had been crushed and all 
the plotters arrested, the special line came to life one last tie. It was 
the Iraqis, kindly ringing up the CIA to let them know it was all over.

The "ringing up the CIA" to which Gilligan refers consisted of an Iraqi 
officer calling a CIA agent in Amman, Jordan, who was anxiously awaiting 
word of how the operation was progressing. When the CIA operative answered, 
the Iraqi officer said, "Gotcha!"

Allawi continued to rake in the revenues from the British and American 
intelligence agencies. He, like Chalabi, continued to turn out the most 
outrageous allegations about Saddam Hussein and Iraq. The more preposterous, 
the better. Gilligan added:

Undaunted, Mr. Allawi kept up his contacts (and income) with the spooks and 
an even thirstier less discriminating audience, the British press. At 
top-secret meetings in London hotels, murmured conversations with selected 
extra-gullible hacks would produce exciting headlines in top right-wing 
newspapers. It was the INA, in July 2000, which fed the Sunday Telegraph the 
sensational scoop that Saddam had deployed crack "Mata Hari" teams of killer 
belly-dancers to Britain to assassinate his political opponents, a story 
which continues to be remembered with tears of real joy whenever 
Iraq-watching journalists gather to reminisce.

Allawi's acts of terrorism, lying, and bilking the U.S. and Britain of 
millions of dollars were well-rewarded: he was appointed Iraq's prime 
minister. If any non-governmental citizen of the U.S. or Britain had 
performed similar acts, he/she would be imprisoned for life. If an 
administration official of these nations did likewise, it would be 
considered in "the best interest of national security."

As prime minister in a quisling government, Allawi had virtually no support. 
The people of Iraq did not respect him. Even Saddam Hussein's opponents who 
lived in Iraq their whole lives despised Allawi.

The U.S. spent millions of dollars listening to peoples' advice on Iraq. 
But, those they asked for information always gave them the wrong advice. Not 
one penny was spent on listening to the opinion of Iraqis in Iraq, not 
exiles living in luxury who had no idea of Iraqi attitudes. Gilligan summed 
it up:

The trouble, you see, with wafting in a British passport-holder from 
Wimbledon as your chosen leader is that he has no genuine political capital 
in Iraq to spend, no popular support to withstand the inevitable crises.

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