Holocaust education from THE NIZKOR PROJECT

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From: Johannes von Ebersdorf 
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Subject: Re: HOLOCAUST FAQ: Auschwitz-Birkenau: Layman's Guide (1/2)
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On Fri, 26 Dec 2008 12:06:34 +0000 (UTC), a-little-sanity,  please
 wrote:

>In article ,
>Johannes von Ebersdorf   wrote:
>
>[snippage]
>
>http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/ftp.py?camps//bergen-belsen/images/belsen01.jpg
>http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/ftp.py?camps//bergen-belsen/images/belsen02.jpg
>http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/ftp.py?camps//ohrdruf/images/ohrdruf-02.jpg
>http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/ftp.py?camps//nordhausen/images/nordhausen-01.jpg
>http://isurvived.org/Pictures_iSurvived-4/dachau-corpses.GIF
>http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/ftp.py?camps//buchenwald/images/buchenwald01.jpg

Nizkor is junk history and pretty transparent propaganda. It really
isn't worth the bother to click on it.


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On Fri, 26 Dec 2008 19:16:11 +0000 (UTC), "I'll Always Be 26/12/08"
 wrote:

>Johannes von Ebersdorf  wrote in 
>news:vmh9l4pjuh7qvu9slsnst5j1ba5h1r7h0l@4ax.com:
>
>> On Wed, 24 Dec 2008 21:56:53 +0000 (UTC), "I'll Always Be 24/12/08"
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>>Johannes von Ebersdorf  wrote in 
>>>news:mec4l4924tbmc8t54c1cfa2lt646bef1t7@4ax.com:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 19:02:10 +0000 (UTC), "I'll Always Be 23/12/08"
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>>"Kurt Knoll"  wrote in
>>>>>news:Ud94l.318$%v1.279@edtnps83: 
>>>>>
>>>>>> Everytime someone disagrees with them they will go on a search and
>>>>>> destroy mission do discredit anyone who does not eat the holocaust 
>>>saga
>>>>>> hook line and sinker. one just must take a good look at the show 
>>>trials
>>>>>> where they do an all out effort to discredit anyone that is in their
>>>>>> way. Kurt Knoll.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Every time someone asks you a question you will call them names, 
>>>> 
>>>> The chief name-callers on this newsgroup are the members of the local
>>>> holocaust™ lobby.
>>>
>>>That's true. ben hebe cramer, kosher cuny and daniel bernard most 
>>>certainly are the chief name callers.
>> 
>> That hasn't been my observation here.
>
>
>For you since obviously you are used to being called a cunt.

Actually no, that would be a first.  LOL
>
> Generally Ben and the others
>> respond to ad hominem attacks by McVey and consorts.
>
>
>Actually, you would be hard pressed to find any responses by the filth 
>mongers, cramer kc and bernard, that isn't an ad hominem
>
>
>
>>>
>>>Of course this has nothing to do with the general idiocy of kunt knoll.
>>>
>>>
>>> Anybody who expresses any doubt at all, even about
>>>> the most preposterous of the holocaust™ stories, is immediately
>>>> shouted down as a new Hitler, a Nazi, a denier, or whatever else they
>>>> can dredge up to call people.
>>>
>>>Interesting assertion. You seem to have a general antipathy to 
>responding 
>>>to criticism of your remarks. You also seem to have a very strong, one 
>>>would almost say racial, hatred of the Allies which you aren't adverse 
>to 
>>>repeating.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> 
>>>> I've seen this technique in use before, and I'm not impressed.
>>>
>>>No one is impressed by your groups use of this technique.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Various
>>>> insane homophobes regularly use the same techniques by immediately
>>>> branding any gay person as a "child molestor", even though all the
>>>> available statistics say otherwise.
>>>
>>>
>>>What you aren't addressing is the proclivity of your group, when pressed 
>>>into a corner, to project their perversions on others.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> The homophobic lobby is full of shit,
>>>
>>>Yet I do not recall ever seeing you telling this to cramer, kc or daniel 
>>>bernard when they bring it up. Do you have a problem telling them your 
>>>feelings?
>>>
>>> and so apparently is the holocaust™ lobby. Both lobbies are
>>>> running on empty, and hence need to resort to rhetoric and
>>>> intimidation to keep their nonsense upright.
>>>
>>>
>>>Yes, your group has been on empty so long, it has lost track of its 
>>>position
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>>intimidate and knoll, but you never answer questions
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> "Ben Cramer"  wrote in message 
>>>>>> news:ad6dnf_hxpIQYc3UnZ2dnUVZ_o3inZ2d@giganews.com...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Toivo Kottarainen"  wrote in message 
>>>>>>> news:4950e1e3$0$4780$9b536df3@news.fv.fi...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Ben Cramer"  >
>>>>>>>>> "Toivo Kottarainen"  wrote in 
>message 
>>>>>>>>> news:494fa495$0$4789$9b536df3@news.fv.fi...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Kurt Knoll" 
>>>>>>>>>>>I do not need one gord . While living in Nuremberg whe the show
>>>>>>>>>>>trial was on id did listening to it every day. What irks me the 
>>>most
>>>>>>>>>>>is when the accused wanted to give an explanatotion. The
>>>>>>>>>>>transmission was interrupted and we were allowed to the 
>religious
>>>>>>>>>>>service of the local Synagogue. You must also remember it was 
>the
>>>>>>>>>>>Germans who did pay for the rebuilding of the synagoe war time 
>by
>>>>>>>>>>>the allied. 
>>>>>>>>>>> Kurt Knoll.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> As a former Nuremberger, You may also be familiar with this:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> * The Nuremberg Laws were designed by Hitler to define the 
>status 
>>>of
>>>>>>>>>> Jews in Germany and to restrict them in political and social 
>life.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Which was a very clever move, given the yids had all but 
>destroyed 
>>>>>>>>> Germany and had publicly stated that their goal was to finish the
>>>>>>>>> job. 
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> From this I understand that You are not a denier of The Holocaust 
>>>but
>>>>>>>> a justifier of it, belonging to the group B of revisionists.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Topi
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's the yids who have declared me to be a denier sunschein, simply 
>>>>>>> because I don't swallow the entire story wholesale.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Lay off the vodkkka.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>
>>>BTW, I thought you had plonked me. Yet another failure of your computer 
>>>skills?
>> 


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From: Johannes von Ebersdorf 
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On Fri, 26 Dec 2008 12:27:08 +0000 (UTC), a-little-sanity,  please
 wrote:

>In article <0ri9l4l1fn73102luv79c88e2q801mqpm4@4ax.com>,
>Johannes von Ebersdorf   wrote:
>
>[snippage]
>
>http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/ftp.py?camps//bergen-belsen/images/belsen01.jpg
>http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/ftp.py?camps//bergen-belsen/images/belsen02.jpg
>http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/ftp.py?camps//ohrdruf/images/ohrdruf-02.jpg
>http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/ftp.py?camps//nordhausen/images/nordhausen-01.jpg
>http://isurvived.org/Pictures_iSurvived-4/dachau-corpses.GIF
>http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/ftp.py?camps//buchenwald/images/buchenwald01.jpg

All you have to offer is propaganda drivel from nizkor. It just isn't
worth reading. I've seen all that crap before.


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On Fri, 26 Dec 2008 18:54:11 +0000 (UTC), "I'll Always Be 26/12/08"
 wrote:

>"Kurt Knoll"  wrote in
>news:Q%45l.974$%v1.164@edtnps83: 
>
>> They cannot effectively counter his measurements, so they attack him
>> personally. They have done this countless times before with other
>> people.
>
>
>Yes, mr skaliks, you attack others constantly.

Skaliks isn't on this newsgroup. Kindly put an end to this silly
nonsense if you want a reply, otherwise you'll have to wait for
Skaliks, and that will be a very long wait. He is never going to see
your message.

>
>
>> 
>> ; "please"  wrote in message 
>> news:gj2iis$6p2$1@pcls4.std.com...
>>> In article <0ri9l4l1fn73102luv79c88e2q801mqpm4@4ax.com>,
>>> Johannes von Ebersdorf   wrote:
>>>
>>> [snippage]
>>>
>>> http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/ftp.py?camps//bergen-
>belsen/images/b
>>> elsen01.jpg 
>>> http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/ftp.py?camps//bergen-
>belsen/images/b
>>> elsen02.jpg 
>>> http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/ftp.py?
>camps//ohrdruf/images/ohrdruf
>>> -02.jpg 
>>> http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/ftp.py?
>camps//nordhausen/images/nord
>>> hausen-01.jpg 
>>> http://isurvived.org/Pictures_iSurvived-4/dachau-corpses.GIF 
>>> http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/ftp.py?
>camps//buchenwald/images/buch
>>> enwald01.jpg 
>> 
>> 


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On Fri, 26 Dec 2008 12:29:24 +0000 (UTC), a-little-sanity,  please
 wrote:

>In article <14j9l45ii52edc5lrsl748gl2bebpo8t2q@4ax.com>,
>Johannes von Ebersdorf   wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 24 Dec 2008 18:55:38 +0000 (UTC), a-little-sanity,  please
>>  wrote:
>
>>> A study of the cyanide compounds in the Auschwitz gas chambers:
>>> http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/chemistry/iffr/report.shtml
>
>> These guys are behind the times. The gassing story has long since
>> moved to two off-site farmhouses which are now conveniently torn down
>
>That is,  of course,  an utter and complete lie,  much like
>everything you post.  I thought that "Cramer" was the biggest
>liar here,  but you beat him hands down.

LOL

You're full of shit.


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On Fri, 26 Dec 2008 12:30:41 +0000 (UTC), a-little-sanity,  please
 wrote:

>In article ,
>Johannes von Ebersdorf   wrote:
>
 [ridiculous insanity crap snipped]


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From: Johannes von Ebersdorf 
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On Fri, 26 Dec 2008 13:13:11 GMT, "Kurt Knoll" 
wrote:

>You are the only one who believes in your nizkor organ. Who will you cheat 
>lie and extort next.

The whole concept of having the name nizkor, a paid propaganda site,
in the same line as "truth" or "fact" is preposterous.

>Kurt Knoll.
>
>"RJ11"  wrote in message news:gj2jjg$vcv$1@pcls6.std.com...
>> In article ,
>> Johannes von Ebersdorf   wrote:
>>
>>   (snip "Holocaust revisionism" drivel)
>>
>>   Deal with the facts,  please.  Thank you.
>>
>> http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/ftp.py?camps//bergen-belsen/images/belsen01.jpg
>> http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/ftp.py?camps//bergen-belsen/images/belsen02.jpg
>> http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/ftp.py?camps//ohrdruf/images/ohrdruf-02.jpg
>> http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/ftp.py?camps//nordhausen/images/nordhausen-01.jpg
>> http://isurvived.org/Pictures_iSurvived-4/dachau-corpses.GIF
>> http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/ftp.py?camps//buchenwald/images/buchenwald01.jpg
>>
>>
>>   http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/1673471.stm
>>
>>   Mass graves found at Nazi camp
>> Researchers have discovered seven mass graves at the Sobibor Nazi
>> death camp in north-eastern Poland.
>>
>>   The research team,  which began its government-sponsored investigation
>> in the summer,  said the graves -- the largest of which is about half
>> the size of a football pitch -- contain charred remains.
>>
>>   
>>
>> RJ. 
>


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On Fri, 26 Dec 2008 19:20:14 +0000 (UTC), "I'll Always Be 26/12/08"
 wrote:

>Yet you all too happily accept the mile high flames over the fire storms 
>of Dresden and Hamburg. LOL

Nobody has ever claimed "mile high flames" over either city, but those
were real atrocities that were very well documented by both the
victims and the perpetrators.

By contrast, the geysers of blood story makes even Alice in Wonderland
seem realistic by comparison.


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From: Johannes von Ebersdorf 
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On Fri, 26 Dec 2008 19:22:46 +0000 (UTC), "I'll Always Be 26/12/08"
 wrote:

>"Kurt Knoll"  wrote in
>news:7I45l.969$%v1.425@edtnps83: 
>
>> The Palestinians have no weapons to fight back.
>
>Really? The rockets that land in Israel must come from germany then.

That is highly doubtful, like most of the rest of your babble.

>
>
> I am very sure you
>> people will screw them long enough till they ere exterminated what will
>> your next line be.
>
>
>You are Jewish
>
>
>> Kurt Knoll.
>> 
>> "dsharavi"  wrote in message 
>> news:6311bdb2-3848-48ec-a216-2c52999132fb@g1g2000pra.googlegroups.com...
>> "Boedi...@isp.com"  wrote:
>>> The Gaza has always been Palestinian
>> 
>> "Always" here being approximately fifty years.
>> 
>>>and once was completely inhabited by The Philistines.
>> 
>> The Pleshtim, a contingent of the Sea Peoples, invaded and occupied
>> the coastal strip of southwestern Retenu (Canaan), which belonged to
>> Egypt, in the 12thC BCE. They were defeated by Israel, and eradicated
>> by Babylon in the 7thC BCE.
>> 
>>> The Philistine Delilah lived there when she was involved with >Samson.
>> 
>> If they existed.
>> 
>>> OTOH Abraham  was an Iraqi
>> 
>> There was no Iraq when Abraham existed.
>> 
>>> before he moved to Hebron. Abraham's eldest son is the
>>> father of the Muslims,
>> 
>> Wrong. Abraham's eldest son, the bastard Ishmael, was the father of
>> the Edomites and some northern Arabic tribes.
>> 
>>>that's why Muslims celebrate their holiday of
>>> Eid and slit the throats of all those poor sheep.
>> 
>> They would slit throats in any case.
>> 
>> Deborah
>> 
>> 
>> 


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On Fri, 26 Dec 2008 12:46:49 +0000 (UTC), a-little-sanity,  please
 wrote:

 [preposterous insanity crap deleted]


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On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 05:05:26 +0000 (UTC), "I'll Always Be 27/12/08"
 wrote:

>Johannes von Ebersdorf  wrote in 
>news:rh6bl4145l7cc6ufqr30fmcskgq68j0kqm@4ax.com:
>
>> On Fri, 26 Dec 2008 19:16:11 +0000 (UTC), "I'll Always Be 26/12/08"
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>>Johannes von Ebersdorf  wrote in 
>>>news:vmh9l4pjuh7qvu9slsnst5j1ba5h1r7h0l@4ax.com:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 24 Dec 2008 21:56:53 +0000 (UTC), "I'll Always Be 24/12/08"
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>>Johannes von Ebersdorf  wrote in 
>>>>>news:mec4l4924tbmc8t54c1cfa2lt646bef1t7@4ax.com:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 19:02:10 +0000 (UTC), "I'll Always Be 23/12/08"
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>"Kurt Knoll"  wrote in
>>>>>>>news:Ud94l.318$%v1.279@edtnps83: 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Everytime someone disagrees with them they will go on a search and
>>>>>>>> destroy mission do discredit anyone who does not eat the holocaust 
>>>>>saga
>>>>>>>> hook line and sinker. one just must take a good look at the show 
>>>>>trials
>>>>>>>> where they do an all out effort to discredit anyone that is in 
>their
>>>>>>>> way. Kurt Knoll.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Every time someone asks you a question you will call them names, 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The chief name-callers on this newsgroup are the members of the 
>local
>>>>>> holocaust™ lobby.
>>>>>
>>>>>That's true. ben hebe cramer, kosher cuny and daniel bernard most 
>>>>>certainly are the chief name callers.
>>>> 
>>>> That hasn't been my observation here.
>>>
>>>
>>>For you since obviously you are used to being called a cunt.
>> 
>> Actually no, that would be a first.  LOL
>
>
>So you say

Yes, that's what I say, which is why I wrote it.

>
>
>>>
>>> Generally Ben and the others
>>>> respond to ad hominem attacks by McVey and consorts.
>>>
>>>
>>>Actually, you would be hard pressed to find any responses by the filth 
>>>mongers, cramer kc and bernard, that isn't an ad hominem
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Of course this has nothing to do with the general idiocy of kunt 
>knoll.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Anybody who expresses any doubt at all, even about
>>>>>> the most preposterous of the holocaust™ stories, is immediately
>>>>>> shouted down as a new Hitler, a Nazi, a denier, or whatever else 
>they
>>>>>> can dredge up to call people.
>>>>>
>>>>>Interesting assertion. You seem to have a general antipathy to 
>>>responding 
>>>>>to criticism of your remarks. You also seem to have a very strong, one 
>>>>>would almost say racial, hatred of the Allies which you aren't adverse 
>>>to 
>>>>>repeating.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I've seen this technique in use before, and I'm not impressed.
>>>>>
>>>>>No one is impressed by your groups use of this technique.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Various
>>>>>> insane homophobes regularly use the same techniques by immediately
>>>>>> branding any gay person as a "child molestor", even though all the
>>>>>> available statistics say otherwise.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>What you aren't addressing is the proclivity of your group, when 
>pressed 
>>>>>into a corner, to project their perversions on others.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> The homophobic lobby is full of shit,
>>>>>
>>>>>Yet I do not recall ever seeing you telling this to cramer, kc or 
>daniel 
>>>>>bernard when they bring it up. Do you have a problem telling them your 
>>>>>feelings?
>>>>>
>>>>> and so apparently is the holocaust™ lobby. Both lobbies are
>>>>>> running on empty, and hence need to resort to rhetoric and
>>>>>> intimidation to keep their nonsense upright.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Yes, your group has been on empty so long, it has lost track of its 
>>>>>position
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>intimidate and knoll, but you never answer questions
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> "Ben Cramer"  wrote in message 
>>>>>>>> news:ad6dnf_hxpIQYc3UnZ2dnUVZ_o3inZ2d@giganews.com...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Toivo Kottarainen"  wrote in 
>message 
>>>>>>>>> news:4950e1e3$0$4780$9b536df3@news.fv.fi...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Ben Cramer"  >
>>>>>>>>>>> "Toivo Kottarainen"  wrote in 
>>>message 
>>>>>>>>>>> news:494fa495$0$4789$9b536df3@news.fv.fi...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Kurt Knoll" 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>I do not need one gord . While living in Nuremberg whe the 
>show
>>>>>>>>>>>>>trial was on id did listening to it every day. What irks me 
>the 
>>>>>most
>>>>>>>>>>>>>is when the accused wanted to give an explanatotion. The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>transmission was interrupted and we were allowed to the 
>>>religious
>>>>>>>>>>>>>service of the local Synagogue. You must also remember it was 
>>>the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Germans who did pay for the rebuilding of the synagoe war time 
>>>by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>the allied. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kurt Knoll.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> As a former Nuremberger, You may also be familiar with this:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> * The Nuremberg Laws were designed by Hitler to define the 
>>>status 
>>>>>of
>>>>>>>>>>>> Jews in Germany and to restrict them in political and social 
>>>life.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Which was a very clever move, given the yids had all but 
>>>destroyed 
>>>>>>>>>>> Germany and had publicly stated that their goal was to finish 
>the
>>>>>>>>>>> job. 
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> From this I understand that You are not a denier of The 
>Holocaust 
>>>>>but
>>>>>>>>>> a justifier of it, belonging to the group B of revisionists.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Topi
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It's the yids who have declared me to be a denier sunschein, 
>simply 
>>>>>>>>> because I don't swallow the entire story wholesale.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Lay off the vodkkka.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>
>>>>>BTW, I thought you had plonked me. Yet another failure of your 
>computer 
>>>>>skills?
>>>> 
>> 


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On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 03:45:17 GMT, "Kurt Knoll" 
wrote:

>The nizkor side is an element of deception. McVay and his consort are here 
>to promote the Holocaust saga in any way and shape the can. But the do 
>definitely go overboard when the harass anyone who does not belie in their 
>version of manipulated histories. Anyone who gets harassed by them are 
>getting twice shy. Why would anyone trust this tow faced hoodlums.

The holocaust™ mafia does what it can to maintain the story, and
intimidation is part of the tool kit.

>Kurt Knoll.
>"Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message 
>news:s57bl4t0vgvv9kfrljeq4hm27cb2onnkl5@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 26 Dec 2008 13:13:11 GMT, "Kurt Knoll" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>You are the only one who believes in your nizkor organ. Who will you cheat
>>>lie and extort next.
>>
>> The whole concept of having the name nizkor, a paid propaganda site,
>> in the same line as "truth" or "fact" is preposterous.
>>
>>>Kurt Knoll.
>>>
>>>"RJ11"  wrote in message 
>>>news:gj2jjg$vcv$1@pcls6.std.com...
>>>> In article ,
>>>> Johannes von Ebersdorf   wrote:
>>>>
>>>>   (snip "Holocaust revisionism" drivel)
>>>>
>>>>   Deal with the facts,  please.  Thank you.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/ftp.py?camps//bergen-belsen/images/belsen01.jpg
>>>> http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/ftp.py?camps//bergen-belsen/images/belsen02.jpg
>>>> http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/ftp.py?camps//ohrdruf/images/ohrdruf-02.jpg
>>>> http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/ftp.py?camps//nordhausen/images/nordhausen-01.jpg
>>>> http://isurvived.org/Pictures_iSurvived-4/dachau-corpses.GIF
>>>> http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/ftp.py?camps//buchenwald/images/buchenwald01.jpg
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>   http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/1673471.stm
>>>>
>>>>   Mass graves found at Nazi camp
>>>> Researchers have discovered seven mass graves at the Sobibor Nazi
>>>> death camp in north-eastern Poland.
>>>>
>>>>   The research team,  which began its government-sponsored investigation
>>>> in the summer,  said the graves -- the largest of which is about half
>>>> the size of a football pitch -- contain charred remains.
>>>>
>>>>   
>>>>
>>>> RJ.
>>> 
>


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On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 05:06:27 +0000 (UTC), "I'll Always Be 27/12/08"
 wrote:

>Johannes von Ebersdorf  wrote in
>news:s57bl4t0vgvv9kfrljeq4hm27cb2onnkl5@4ax.com: 
>
>> On Fri, 26 Dec 2008 13:13:11 GMT, "Kurt Knoll" 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>>You are the only one who believes in your nizkor organ. Who will you
>>>cheat lie and extort next.
>> 
>> The whole concept of having the name nizkor, a paid propaganda site,
>> in the same line as "truth" or "fact" is preposterous.
>
>
>Of course, we have seen your documentation

What "documentation" are you babbling about? Most of the
"documentation" is allied propaganda dreck consisting of, partial or
complete forgeries. I have numerous relatives who lived in Germany at
the time, and they don't believe so why should I believe your stuff
over their personal experiences?




>...oh wait a minute, you knoll
>
>
>> 
>>>Kurt Knoll.
>>>
>>>"RJ11"  wrote in message
>>>news:gj2jjg$vcv$1@pcls6.std.com... 
>>>> In article ,
>>>> Johannes von Ebersdorf   wrote:
>>>>
>>>>   (snip "Holocaust revisionism" drivel)
>>>>
>>>>   Deal with the facts,  please.  Thank you.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/ftp.py?camps//bergen-
>belsen/images/
>>>> belsen01.jpg 
>>>> http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/ftp.py?camps//bergen-
>belsen/images/
>>>> belsen02.jpg 
>>>> http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/ftp.py?
>camps//ohrdruf/images/ohrdru
>>>> f-02.jpg 
>>>> http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/ftp.py?
>camps//nordhausen/images/nor
>>>> dhausen-01.jpg 
>>>> http://isurvived.org/Pictures_iSurvived-4/dachau-corpses.GIF 
>>>> http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/ftp.py?
>camps//buchenwald/images/buc
>>>> henwald01.jpg 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>   http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/1673471.stm
>>>>
>>>>   Mass graves found at Nazi camp
>>>> Researchers have discovered seven mass graves at the Sobibor Nazi
>>>> death camp in north-eastern Poland.
>>>>
>>>>   The research team,  which began its government-sponsored
>>>>   investigation 
>>>> in the summer,  said the graves -- the largest of which is about half
>>>> the size of a football pitch -- contain charred remains.
>>>>
>>>>   
>>>>
>>>> RJ. 
>>>
>> 


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On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 05:13:02 +0000 (UTC), "I'll Always Be 27/12/08"
 wrote:

>Johannes von Ebersdorf  wrote in 
>news:t87bl4tjej2auqgithbj1rg8cfdovq83br@4ax.com:
>
>> On Fri, 26 Dec 2008 19:20:14 +0000 (UTC), "I'll Always Be 26/12/08"
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>>Yet you all too happily accept the mile high flames over the fire storms 
>>>of Dresden and Hamburg. LOL
>> 
>> Nobody has ever claimed "mile high flames" over either city,
>
>
>Of course they didn't...but wait, here are two nil sites that do just 
>that. How do you explain this (and note that it's THREE MILE HIGH FLAMES)
>
>http://www.heretical.com/miscellx/blitz.html
>http://www.nazi-lauck-nsdapao.com/eng-uk-004.htm
>
>
> but those
>> were real atrocities that were very well documented by both the
>> victims and the perpetrators.
>
>
>Yes, those THREE MILE HIGH FLAMES must have made quite an impression. 
>Wonder if they got that high in London or Coventry?

London and Coventry were minor affairs compared to Hamburg or Dresden.
The total civilian death toll in Britain over the entire war was about
60,000 or slightly less than the typical traffic toll over a 5-year
period. Coventry was an attack on the aircraft industry in which,
unfortunately, a few HUNDRED civilians lost their lives. Hamburg and
Dresden differ dramatically from London and Coventry because in the
former pair the civilian residents were the actual targets. The models
the Americans built up in the western deserts to practice their
butchery were models of densely inhabited downtown workers districts,
not factories or other such installations. The allied aims here were
the same as those you claim for Auschwitz, but simply using different
methods.


>
>
>> 
>> By contrast, the geysers of blood story makes even Alice in Wonderland
>> seem realistic by comparison.
>> 


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On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 05:14:18 +0000 (UTC), "I'll Always Be 27/12/08"
 wrote:

>Johannes von Ebersdorf  wrote in 
>news:4e7bl4thbmbi802ds06i02ld87km4mj06n@4ax.com:
>
>> On Fri, 26 Dec 2008 19:22:46 +0000 (UTC), "I'll Always Be 26/12/08"
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>>"Kurt Knoll"  wrote in
>>>news:7I45l.969$%v1.425@edtnps83: 
>>>
>>>> The Palestinians have no weapons to fight back.
>>>
>>>Really? The rockets that land in Israel must come from germany then.
>> 
>> That is highly doubtful, like most of the rest of your babble.
>
>
>So where did the rockets that the palestinians don't have come from? Maybe 
>you should ask those little girls that were killed today...by palestinian 
>rockets.

Canadian news outlets describe them as "homemade", but certainly not
manufactured in Germany, except possibly in your demented
hallucinations.

>
>
>
>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> I am very sure you
>>>> people will screw them long enough till they ere exterminated what 
>will
>>>> your next line be.
>>>
>>>
>>>You are Jewish
>>>
>>>
>>>> Kurt Knoll.
>>>> 
>>>> "dsharavi"  wrote in message 
>>>> news:6311bdb2-3848-48ec-a216-
>2c52999132fb@g1g2000pra.googlegroups.com...
>>>> "Boedi...@isp.com"  wrote:
>>>>> The Gaza has always been Palestinian
>>>> 
>>>> "Always" here being approximately fifty years.
>>>> 
>>>>>and once was completely inhabited by The Philistines.
>>>> 
>>>> The Pleshtim, a contingent of the Sea Peoples, invaded and occupied
>>>> the coastal strip of southwestern Retenu (Canaan), which belonged to
>>>> Egypt, in the 12thC BCE. They were defeated by Israel, and eradicated
>>>> by Babylon in the 7thC BCE.
>>>> 
>>>>> The Philistine Delilah lived there when she was involved with >
>Samson.
>>>> 
>>>> If they existed.
>>>> 
>>>>> OTOH Abraham  was an Iraqi
>>>> 
>>>> There was no Iraq when Abraham existed.
>>>> 
>>>>> before he moved to Hebron. Abraham's eldest son is the
>>>>> father of the Muslims,
>>>> 
>>>> Wrong. Abraham's eldest son, the bastard Ishmael, was the father of
>>>> the Edomites and some northern Arabic tribes.
>>>> 
>>>>>that's why Muslims celebrate their holiday of
>>>>> Eid and slit the throats of all those poor sheep.
>>>> 
>>>> They would slit throats in any case.
>>>> 
>>>> Deborah
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>> 


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On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 05:15:24 +0000 (UTC), "I'll Always Be 27/12/08"
 wrote:

>Johannes von Ebersdorf  wrote in 
>news:2g7bl45eptrp798nks8hbc3h3dbq0s1uop@4ax.com:
>
>> On Fri, 26 Dec 2008 12:46:49 +0000 (UTC), a-little-sanity,  please
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>  [preposterous insanity crap deleted]
>
>
>
>In article <20k9l4dsq5t947j9rqdpe59qj5mk2qpvim@4ax.com>,
>Johannes von Ebersdorf   wrote:
>
>[snippage]
>
>http://www.holocaust-history.org/~dkeren/camps/belsen/kramer.shtml
>Joseph Kramer,  commandant of Belsen.  Also served
>in Auschwitz.  Hanged.
>
>http://max.mmvi.de/ssfrauen/bormann.jpg
>Johanna Bormann,  female member of the SS.  Served in
>Auschwitz and Belsen.  Hanged.
>
>http://shamash.org/holocaust/photos/images/SS-Women.jpg
>More female members of the SS,  who served in Belsen.
>
>http://www.scrapbookpages.com/BergenBelsen/OldPhotos/FranzHoessler.jpg
>SS Obersturmfuehrer Franz Hoessler.  Served  in
>Auschwitz and Belsen.  Hanged
>
I'm familiar with the various allied atrocities in postwar Germany.
You don't need to remind me of the actions of various allied kangaroo
courts.

There is a reason that one of the first things that happened when
power was restored to German authorities was the abolition of the
death penalty. The allied kangaroo courts put far more people to death
than Justice Freisler's court ever did.


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On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 19:31:20 +0000 (UTC), a-little-sanity,  please
 wrote:

>In article , Zulu   wrote:
>
>> And what about those "survivors" who pretended to guess the nationality
>> of the burning corpses according with the color of the smoke?
>
>What the witness really said is that they could guess whether the
>victims were emaciated or not,  and based on that,  know the
>country of origin.  I see no reason to doubt this;  crematorium
>workers have reported that burning corpses of overweight people
>results in phenomena which are different from those when other
>people are cremated.
>
>"Body size (obese weight) and levels of body fat have considerable effects on 
>the operation of your cremation equipment. A body weighing more than 300 
>pounds should be treated with extreme caution. Due to the high fat content, 
>obese human remains generate tremendous amounts of heat. Equipment damage 
>e.g., warping of the primary chamber, uncontrolled fires, copious amounts of 
>smoke, secondary fires from pooling of melted body fat and explosions from 
>same have all occurred."
>
>True,  I don't suppose many deportees were over 300 pounds,  but this
>does prove that the percentage of fat results in different effects
>during cremation.
>
>But if you really want to see some crazy testimonies,  have a look at
>the testimonies by Germans about the bombing of their cities.  "Puddles
>of melted flesh",  "three-mile high flames",  and my favorite -- people
>"shriveled in one second to the size of a child"...

I don't know about the "one second" bit of your babble, but my mother
had the sad task of picking up human remains in Frankfurt a/M at the
age of 16, and they had indeed shrivelled to the size of a small doll.
It is an experience that has traumatized her for the rest of her life.
Jews don't have a monopoly on suffering as you would like to suggest.


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On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 07:21:00 -0800 (PST), Warhol 
wrote:

>On 27 dec, 16:14, jgarbuz  wrote:
>> On Dec 27, 10:08 am, "Heinrich"  wrote:
>>
>> > ISRAEL'S air force fired about 30 missiles at targets in the Gaza Strip
>> > today killing at least 140 people and wounding 200 medical officials say.
>>
>> > The strikes targeted several police compounds of the the radical Islamic
>> > group Hamas, the elected leaders of Palestine.<
>>
>> Israel has to do to the elected leaders of Hamas the same as what the
>> USAF did to the elected leaders of Nazi Germany:bomb them into their
>> bunkers and hopefully Hamas will shoot or poison themselves too.
>
>
>
>It shows who the real terrorists are. The zionists.

Israel is just another vicious settler-state.


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On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 12:14:30 -0500, xpenenyx@earthlink.net wrote:

>
>>One accidentally struck a northern Gaza house killing two Palestinian 
>>sisters, aged five and 13, and wounding a third, Palestinian medics say. 
>
>You've got this part ass backwards.  It was a Hamas misfired rocket
>that killed the two sisters.

Even if that were true, and I rather doubt it, the Israeli monsters
and mass-murderers have massacred thousands of children over the years
to maintain their illegal blood-bespattered murderous settler-state.



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On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 19:01:58 +0000 (UTC), a-little-sanity,  please
 wrote:

>In article ,
>Johannes von Ebersdorf   wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 26 Dec 2008 19:20:14 +0000 (UTC), "I'll Always Be 26/12/08"
>>  wrote:
>
>>> Yet you all too happily accept the mile high flames over the fire storms 
>>> of Dresden and Hamburg. LOL
>
>> Nobody has ever claimed "mile high flames" over either city,
>
>You're correct:  German "witnesses" stated the flames were
>*three* mile high!
>
>http://www.adelaideinstitute.org/Dissenters1/HRP/Walsh.htm
>
>"As Hamburg burned the winds feeding the three mile high flames reached
>twice hurricane speed to exceed 150 miles per hour."

The winds overturned streetcars and physically threw them towards the
centre of the low pressure area. The 250 km/h winds are well
documented in Hamburg, and also in large-scale forest fires where a
fire-storm has taken hold. The "flames" reference is simply bad
terminology, but the superheated gases would undoubtedly be glowing as
they rose, and could indeed be mistaken for "flames" at night. The
allied air crews noted the same phenomenon as they departed from the
scene.

>
>And this from a "revisionist" website,  no less! 


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On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 07:14:36 -0800 (PST), jgarbuz
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>On Dec 27, 10:08 am, "Heinrich"  wrote:
>> ISRAEL'S air force fired about 30 missiles at targets in the Gaza Strip
>> today killing at least 140 people and wounding 200 medical officials say.
>>
>> The strikes targeted several police compounds of the the radical Islamic
>> group Hamas, the elected leaders of Palestine.<
>
>Israel has to do to the elected leaders of Hamas the same as what the
>USAF did to the elected leaders of Nazi Germany:bomb them into their
>bunkers and hopefully Hamas will shoot or poison themselves too.

So you're not really against war crimes in principle, just when they
impact on your favourite folk.


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On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 20:23:42 +0100, "albertus.magnus XLIV."
 wrote:

>
>"Tim Miller"  schrieb im Newsbeitrag 
>news:gj5uol$gii$1@news.motzarella.org...
>> UncleRemus wrote:
>>> "Tim Miller"  wrote in message 
>>> news:gj5h98$rpa$1@news.motzarella.org...
>>>> Heinrich wrote:
>>>>> ISRAEL'S air force fired about 30 missiles at targets in the Gaza Strip 
>>>>> today killing at least 140 people and wounding 200 medical officials 
>>>>> say.
>>>>>
>>>>> The strikes targeted several police compounds of the the radical 
>>>>> Islamic group Hamas, the elected leaders of Palestine.
>>>> Excellent news, thanks!
>>>>
>>
>>>What?  No "crimes against humanity" when non-Jews are killed?
>>
>> Naah, it was just a bunch of cowardly terrorists finally
>> getting what they deserved. Israel has been MUCH to patient
>> with those pissants.
>>
>>>>
>>>> BTW, last I heard, 145 of those terrorists were killed and 310 wounded!
>>>
>>
>> MORE good news! It's OVER 200 dead terrorists now!
>
>
>not enough...

Right on, you haven't seen enough dead five-year-olds to satisfy your
insane blood-lust.

Why don't you just fuck off, you murdering bastard?

>
>>
>> 


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On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 14:04:43 -0500, "UncleRemus"
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>
>"Caduceus"  wrote in message 
>news:qttcl4l7ekds6qpoutk3q8plvkuj1r6v30@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 12:24:52 -0500, "UncleRemus"
>>  wrote:
>>
>>>Dec 27, 8:29 AM (ET)
>>>
>>>By IBRAHIM BARZAK
>>>
>>>GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip (AP) - Israeli warplanes retaliating for rocket fire
>>>from the Gaza Strip pounded dozens of security compounds across the
>>>Hamas-ruled territory in unprecedented waves of airstrikes Saturday, 
>>>killing
>>>at least 155 and wounding more than 310 in the single bloodiest day of
>>>fighting in recent memory.
>>>
>>>Hamas said all of its security installations were hit and responded with
>>>several medium-range Grad rockets at Israel, reaching deeper than in the
>>>past. One Israeli was killed and at least four people were wounded.
>>>
>>>Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak said "the operation will last as long 
>>>as
>>>necessary," but it was not clear if it would be coupled with a ground
>>>offensive. Asked if Hamas political leaders might be targeted next, 
>>>military
>>>spokeswoman Maj. Avital Leibovich said, "Any Hamas target is a target."
>>>
>>>The strikes caused widespread panic and confusion in Gaza, as black clouds
>>>of smoke rose above the territory, ruled by Hamas for the past 18 months.
>>>Some of the Israeli missiles struck in densely populated areas as children
>>>were leaving school, and women rushed into the streets frantically looking
>>>for their children.
>>>
>>>In Gaza City's main security compound, bodies of more than a dozen 
>>>uniformed
>>>security officers lay on the ground. One survivor raised his index finger 
>>>in
>>>a show of Muslim faith, uttering a prayer. The Gaza police chief was among
>>>those killed. One man, his face bloodied, sat dazed on the ground as a 
>>>fire
>>>raged nearby.
>>>
>>>It wasn't immediately clear how many civilian casualties there were.
>>>
>>>Said Masri sat in the middle of a Gaza City street, close to a security
>>>compound, alternately slapping his face and covering his head with dust 
>>>from
>>>the bombed-out building.
>>>
>>>"My son is gone, my son is gone," wailed Masri, 57. The shopkeeper said he
>>>sent his 9-year-old son out to purchase cigarettes minutes before the
>>>airstrikes began and now could not find him. "May I burn like the
>>>cigarettes, may Israel burn," Masri moaned.
>>>
>>>Defiant Hamas leaders threatened revenge, including suicide attacks. Hamas
>>>"will continue the resistance until the last drop of blood," vowed 
>>>spokesman
>>>Fawzi Barhoum.
>>>
>>>Israel told its civilians near Gaza to take cover as militants began
>>>retaliating with rockets, and in the West Bank, moderate Palestinian
>>>President Mahmoud Abbas called for restraint. Egypt summoned the Israeli
>>>ambassador to express condemnation and opened its border with Gaza to 
>>>allow
>>>ambulances to drive out some of the wounded.
>>>
>>>Protests erupted in the Abbas-ruled West Bank and across the Arab world.
>>>
>>>Several hundred angry Jordanians poured protested outside a U.N. complex 
>>>in
>>>the capital Amman. "Hamas, go ahead. You are the cannon, we are the
>>>bullets," they cried, some waving the signature green Hamas banners.
>>>
>>>In Beirut, dozens of youths hit the streets and set fire to tires. In
>>>Syria's al-Yarmouk camp, outside Damascus, dozens of Palestinians 
>>>protested
>>>the attack as well, vowing to continue fighting Israel.
>>>
>>>Israeli leaders approved military action against Gaza earlier in the week.
>>>
>>>Past limited ground incursions and air strikes have not halted rocket
>>>barrages from Gaza.
>>>
>>>But with 200 mortars and rockets raining down on Israel since the truce
>>>expired a week ago, and 3,000 since the beginning of the year, according 
>>>to
>>>the military's count, pressure had been mounting in Israel for the 
>>>military
>>>to crush the gunmen.
>>>
>>>Earlier this month, Israeli security officials told the government that
>>>militants possess rockets with ranges capable of reaching farther from 
>>>Gaza
>>>than ever before, including the cities of Beersheba and Ashdod.
>>>
>>>Gaza militants fired several rockets Saturday, including one that struck a
>>>new target, the town of Kiryat Gat. A missile hit on the town of Netivot
>>>killed an Israeli man and wounded four people, rescue services said. In
>>>Ashkelon, TV cameras showed people huddle against a wall as a rocket alert
>>>sounded.
>>>
>>>Barak, the Israeli defense minister, said that the coming period "won't be
>>>easy and won't be short for the communities in the south (of Israel).
>>>
>>>Israel declared a state of emergency in Israeli communities within a 
>>>12-mile
>>>(20-kilometer) range of Gaza, putting the area on a war footing.
>>>
>>>The first round of air strikes came just before noon, and several more 
>>>waves
>>>followed.
>>>
>>>Hospitals crowded with people, civilians rushing in wounded people in 
>>>cars,
>>>vans and ambulances. "We are treating people on the floor, in the 
>>>corridors.
>>>We have no more space. We don't know who is here and what the priority is 
>>>to
>>>treat," said a doctor at Shifa Hospital, Gaza's main treatment center. He
>>>hung up the phone before identifying himself.
>>>
>>>Dr. Moawiya Hassanain, a Gaza Health Ministry official, said at least 145
>>>people were killed and more than 300 wounded.
>>>
>>>Frantic civilians drove wounded people to hospitals in their cars.
>>>
>>>In the West Bank, Hamas' rival, Abbas, said in a statement that he 
>>>"condemns
>>>this aggression" and called for restraint, according to an aide, Nabil Abu
>>>Rdeneh. Abbas, who has ruled only the West Bank since the Islamic Hamas
>>>seized power in Gaza in June 2007, was in contact with Arab leaders, and 
>>>his
>>>West Bank Cabinet convened an emergency session.
>>>
>>>Israel has targeted Gaza in the past, but the number of simultaneous 
>>>attacks
>>>was unprecedented.
>>>
>>>Israel left Gaza in 2005 after a 38-year occupation, but the withdrawal 
>>>did
>>>not lead to better relations with Palestinians in the territory as Israeli
>>>officials had hoped.
>>>
>>>Instead, the evacuation was followed by a sharp rise in militant attacks 
>>>on
>>>Israeli border communities that on several occasions provoked harsh 
>>>Israeli
>>>military reprisals.
>>>
>>>The last, in late February and early March, spurred both sides to agree to 
>>>a
>>>truce that was to have lasted six months but began unraveling in early
>>>November. In recent days, Israeli leaders had been voicing strong threats 
>>>to
>>>launch a major offensive.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> The Israelies should have nuked the rag heads.
>>
>>
>> There are hundreds of millions of more "rag heads" who are dedicated to 
>> killing you racist CRIMINAL Jews.
>Racist Israel will NEVER know a moment's peace.  No racist Jew in Israel 
>will ever know a moment's safety.
>No Jew child will ever escape the sins of its fathers.
>Yup. 
>
This evil settler-state will eventually fall victim to its own folly,
and decent people everywhere will justly rejoice.


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On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 12:45:48 -0600, Caduceus
 wrote:

>On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 12:24:52 -0500, "UncleRemus"
> wrote:
>
>>Dec 27, 8:29 AM (ET)
>>
>>By IBRAHIM BARZAK
>>
>>GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip (AP) - Israeli warplanes retaliating for rocket fire 
>>from the Gaza Strip pounded dozens of security compounds across the 
>>Hamas-ruled territory in unprecedented waves of airstrikes Saturday, killing 
>>at least 155 and wounding more than 310 in the single bloodiest day of 
>>fighting in recent memory.
>>
>>Hamas said all of its security installations were hit and responded with 
>>several medium-range Grad rockets at Israel, reaching deeper than in the 
>>past. One Israeli was killed and at least four people were wounded.
>>
>>Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak said "the operation will last as long as 
>>necessary," but it was not clear if it would be coupled with a ground 
>>offensive. Asked if Hamas political leaders might be targeted next, military 
>>spokeswoman Maj. Avital Leibovich said, "Any Hamas target is a target."
>>
>>The strikes caused widespread panic and confusion in Gaza, as black clouds 
>>of smoke rose above the territory, ruled by Hamas for the past 18 months. 
>>Some of the Israeli missiles struck in densely populated areas as children 
>>were leaving school, and women rushed into the streets frantically looking 
>>for their children.
>>
>>In Gaza City's main security compound, bodies of more than a dozen uniformed 
>>security officers lay on the ground. One survivor raised his index finger in 
>>a show of Muslim faith, uttering a prayer. The Gaza police chief was among 
>>those killed. One man, his face bloodied, sat dazed on the ground as a fire 
>>raged nearby.
>>
>>It wasn't immediately clear how many civilian casualties there were.
>>
>>Said Masri sat in the middle of a Gaza City street, close to a security 
>>compound, alternately slapping his face and covering his head with dust from 
>>the bombed-out building.
>>
>>"My son is gone, my son is gone," wailed Masri, 57. The shopkeeper said he 
>>sent his 9-year-old son out to purchase cigarettes minutes before the 
>>airstrikes began and now could not find him. "May I burn like the 
>>cigarettes, may Israel burn," Masri moaned.
>>
>>Defiant Hamas leaders threatened revenge, including suicide attacks. Hamas 
>>"will continue the resistance until the last drop of blood," vowed spokesman 
>>Fawzi Barhoum.
>>
>>Israel told its civilians near Gaza to take cover as militants began 
>>retaliating with rockets, and in the West Bank, moderate Palestinian 
>>President Mahmoud Abbas called for restraint. Egypt summoned the Israeli 
>>ambassador to express condemnation and opened its border with Gaza to allow 
>>ambulances to drive out some of the wounded.
>>
>>Protests erupted in the Abbas-ruled West Bank and across the Arab world.
>>
>>Several hundred angry Jordanians poured protested outside a U.N. complex in 
>>the capital Amman. "Hamas, go ahead. You are the cannon, we are the 
>>bullets," they cried, some waving the signature green Hamas banners.
>>
>>In Beirut, dozens of youths hit the streets and set fire to tires. In 
>>Syria's al-Yarmouk camp, outside Damascus, dozens of Palestinians protested 
>>the attack as well, vowing to continue fighting Israel.
>>
>>Israeli leaders approved military action against Gaza earlier in the week.
>>
>>Past limited ground incursions and air strikes have not halted rocket 
>>barrages from Gaza.
>>
>>But with 200 mortars and rockets raining down on Israel since the truce 
>>expired a week ago, and 3,000 since the beginning of the year, according to 
>>the military's count, pressure had been mounting in Israel for the military 
>>to crush the gunmen.
>>
>>Earlier this month, Israeli security officials told the government that 
>>militants possess rockets with ranges capable of reaching farther from Gaza 
>>than ever before, including the cities of Beersheba and Ashdod.
>>
>>Gaza militants fired several rockets Saturday, including one that struck a 
>>new target, the town of Kiryat Gat. A missile hit on the town of Netivot 
>>killed an Israeli man and wounded four people, rescue services said. In 
>>Ashkelon, TV cameras showed people huddle against a wall as a rocket alert 
>>sounded.
>>
>>Barak, the Israeli defense minister, said that the coming period "won't be 
>>easy and won't be short for the communities in the south (of Israel).
>>
>>Israel declared a state of emergency in Israeli communities within a 12-mile 
>>(20-kilometer) range of Gaza, putting the area on a war footing.
>>
>>The first round of air strikes came just before noon, and several more waves 
>>followed.
>>
>>Hospitals crowded with people, civilians rushing in wounded people in cars, 
>>vans and ambulances. "We are treating people on the floor, in the corridors. 
>>We have no more space. We don't know who is here and what the priority is to 
>>treat," said a doctor at Shifa Hospital, Gaza's main treatment center. He 
>>hung up the phone before identifying himself.
>>
>>Dr. Moawiya Hassanain, a Gaza Health Ministry official, said at least 145 
>>people were killed and more than 300 wounded.
>>
>>Frantic civilians drove wounded people to hospitals in their cars.
>>
>>In the West Bank, Hamas' rival, Abbas, said in a statement that he "condemns 
>>this aggression" and called for restraint, according to an aide, Nabil Abu 
>>Rdeneh. Abbas, who has ruled only the West Bank since the Islamic Hamas 
>>seized power in Gaza in June 2007, was in contact with Arab leaders, and his 
>>West Bank Cabinet convened an emergency session.
>>
>>Israel has targeted Gaza in the past, but the number of simultaneous attacks 
>>was unprecedented.
>>
>>Israel left Gaza in 2005 after a 38-year occupation, but the withdrawal did 
>>not lead to better relations with Palestinians in the territory as Israeli 
>>officials had hoped.
>>
>>Instead, the evacuation was followed by a sharp rise in militant attacks on 
>>Israeli border communities that on several occasions provoked harsh Israeli 
>>military reprisals.
>>
>>The last, in late February and early March, spurred both sides to agree to a 
>>truce that was to have lasted six months but began unraveling in early 
>>November. In recent days, Israeli leaders had been voicing strong threats to 
>>launch a major offensive.
>>
>>
>>
>
>The Israelies should have nuked the rag heads.

Somebody should treat the Israelis to that remedy. It is high time
that this murderous settler-state were dispatched to its master in
hell.



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On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 19:38:16 +0000 (UTC), a-little-sanity,  please
 wrote:

>In article , Zulu   wrote:
>
>> Bombing raids by the Allied aviation provoked 67,178 deaths and
>> 75,660 wounded among French civilian population.
>
>Source?
>
That is well known. Don't you know anything at all, or just your silly
propaganda?


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On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 21:18:11 +0000 (UTC), "I'll Always Be 27/12/08"
 wrote:

>Johannes von Ebersdorf  wrote in 
>news:l5acl4dp8o6v4r6qtlna3m3i1snbtf9s8s@4ax.com:
>
>> On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 05:15:24 +0000 (UTC), "I'll Always Be 27/12/08"
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>>Johannes von Ebersdorf  wrote in 
>>>news:2g7bl45eptrp798nks8hbc3h3dbq0s1uop@4ax.com:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 26 Dec 2008 12:46:49 +0000 (UTC), a-little-sanity,  please
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>  [preposterous insanity crap deleted]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>In article <20k9l4dsq5t947j9rqdpe59qj5mk2qpvim@4ax.com>,
>>>Johannes von Ebersdorf   wrote:
>>>
>>>[snippage]
>>>
>>>http://www.holocaust-history.org/~dkeren/camps/belsen/kramer.shtml
>>>Joseph Kramer,  commandant of Belsen.  Also served
>>>in Auschwitz.  Hanged.
>>>
>>>http://max.mmvi.de/ssfrauen/bormann.jpg
>>>Johanna Bormann,  female member of the SS.  Served in
>>>Auschwitz and Belsen.  Hanged.
>>>
>>>http://shamash.org/holocaust/photos/images/SS-Women.jpg
>>>More female members of the SS,  who served in Belsen.
>>>
>>>http://www.scrapbookpages.com/BergenBelsen/OldPhotos/FranzHoessler.jpg
>>>SS Obersturmfuehrer Franz Hoessler.  Served  in
>>>Auschwitz and Belsen.  Hanged
>>>
>> I'm familiar with the various allied atrocities in postwar Germany.
>> You don't need to remind me of the actions of various allied kangaroo
>> courts.
>> 
>> There is a reason that one of the first things that happened when
>> power was restored to German authorities was the abolition of the
>> death penalty. The allied kangaroo courts put far more people to death
>> than Justice Freisler's court ever did.
>> 
>
>What about ALL of the courts

Death penalty cases generally went to the supreme court in Germany,
which at that time was the court of Justice Freisler.



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On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 20:57:07 +0000 (UTC), "I'll Always Be 27/12/08"
 wrote:

>Johannes von Ebersdorf  wrote in 
>news:j49cl45899s6f79p4sgkgv2cpek27k92bp@4ax.com:
>
>> On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 05:05:26 +0000 (UTC), "I'll Always Be 27/12/08"
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>>Johannes von Ebersdorf  wrote in 
>>>news:rh6bl4145l7cc6ufqr30fmcskgq68j0kqm@4ax.com:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 26 Dec 2008 19:16:11 +0000 (UTC), "I'll Always Be 26/12/08"
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>>Johannes von Ebersdorf  wrote in 
>>>>>news:vmh9l4pjuh7qvu9slsnst5j1ba5h1r7h0l@4ax.com:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, 24 Dec 2008 21:56:53 +0000 (UTC), "I'll Always Be 24/12/08"
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>Johannes von Ebersdorf  wrote in 
>>>>>>>news:mec4l4924tbmc8t54c1cfa2lt646bef1t7@4ax.com:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 19:02:10 +0000 (UTC), "I'll Always Be 
>23/12/08"
>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>"Kurt Knoll"  wrote in
>>>>>>>>>news:Ud94l.318$%v1.279@edtnps83: 
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Everytime someone disagrees with them they will go on a search 
>and
>>>>>>>>>> destroy mission do discredit anyone who does not eat the 
>holocaust 
>>>>>>>saga
>>>>>>>>>> hook line and sinker. one just must take a good look at the show 
>>>>>>>trials
>>>>>>>>>> where they do an all out effort to discredit anyone that is in 
>>>their
>>>>>>>>>> way. Kurt Knoll.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Every time someone asks you a question you will call them names, 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> The chief name-callers on this newsgroup are the members of the 
>>>local
>>>>>>>> holocaust™ lobby.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>That's true. ben hebe cramer, kosher cuny and daniel bernard most 
>>>>>>>certainly are the chief name callers.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> That hasn't been my observation here.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>For you since obviously you are used to being called a cunt.
>>>> 
>>>> Actually no, that would be a first.  LOL
>>>
>>>
>>>So you say
>> 
>> Yes, that's what I say, which is why I wrote it.
>
>
>Which makes it totally meaningless

No, meaninglessness seems to be a characteristic of your writing, not
mine.

>
>
>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Generally Ben and the others
>>>>>> respond to ad hominem attacks by McVey and consorts.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Actually, you would be hard pressed to find any responses by the filth 
>>>>>mongers, cramer kc and bernard, that isn't an ad hominem
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Of course this has nothing to do with the general idiocy of kunt 
>>>knoll.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anybody who expresses any doubt at all, even about
>>>>>>>> the most preposterous of the holocaust™ stories, is immediately
>>>>>>>> shouted down as a new Hitler, a Nazi, a denier, or whatever else 
>>>they
>>>>>>>> can dredge up to call people.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Interesting assertion. You seem to have a general antipathy to 
>>>>>responding 
>>>>>>>to criticism of your remarks. You also seem to have a very strong, 
>one 
>>>>>>>would almost say racial, hatred of the Allies which you aren't 
>adverse 
>>>>>to 
>>>>>>>repeating.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I've seen this technique in use before, and I'm not impressed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>No one is impressed by your groups use of this technique.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Various
>>>>>>>> insane homophobes regularly use the same techniques by immediately
>>>>>>>> branding any gay person as a "child molestor", even though all the
>>>>>>>> available statistics say otherwise.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>What you aren't addressing is the proclivity of your group, when 
>>>pressed 
>>>>>>>into a corner, to project their perversions on others.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The homophobic lobby is full of shit,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Yet I do not recall ever seeing you telling this to cramer, kc or 
>>>daniel 
>>>>>>>bernard when they bring it up. Do you have a problem telling them 
>your 
>>>>>>>feelings?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> and so apparently is the holocaust™ lobby. Both lobbies are
>>>>>>>> running on empty, and hence need to resort to rhetoric and
>>>>>>>> intimidation to keep their nonsense upright.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Yes, your group has been on empty so long, it has lost track of its 
>>>>>>>position
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>intimidate and knoll, but you never answer questions
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> "Ben Cramer"  wrote in message 
>>>>>>>>>> news:ad6dnf_hxpIQYc3UnZ2dnUVZ_o3inZ2d@giganews.com...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "Toivo Kottarainen"  wrote in 
>>>message 
>>>>>>>>>>> news:4950e1e3$0$4780$9b536df3@news.fv.fi...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Ben Cramer"  >
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Toivo Kottarainen"  wrote in 
>>>>>message 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:494fa495$0$4789$9b536df3@news.fv.fi...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Kurt Knoll" 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I do not need one gord . While living in Nuremberg whe the 
>>>show
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>trial was on id did listening to it every day. What irks me 
>>>the 
>>>>>>>most
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>is when the accused wanted to give an explanatotion. The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>transmission was interrupted and we were allowed to the 
>>>>>religious
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>service of the local Synagogue. You must also remember it 
>was 
>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Germans who did pay for the rebuilding of the synagoe war 
>time 
>>>>>by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>the allied. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kurt Knoll.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As a former Nuremberger, You may also be familiar with this:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * The Nuremberg Laws were designed by Hitler to define the 
>>>>>status 
>>>>>>>of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jews in Germany and to restrict them in political and social 
>>>>>life.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which was a very clever move, given the yids had all but 
>>>>>destroyed 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Germany and had publicly stated that their goal was to finish 
>>>the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> job. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> From this I understand that You are not a denier of The 
>>>Holocaust 
>>>>>>>but
>>>>>>>>>>>> a justifier of it, belonging to the group B of revisionists.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Topi
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It's the yids who have declared me to be a denier sunschein, 
>>>simply 
>>>>>>>>>>> because I don't swallow the entire story wholesale.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Lay off the vodkkka.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>BTW, I thought you had plonked me. Yet another failure of your 
>>>computer 
>>>>>>>skills?
>>>>>> 
>>>> 
>> 


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On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 09:46:37 +1000, "Karl"  wrote:

>
>"David Hartung"  wrote in message 
>news:e56dnZDer-lGwcvUnZ2dnUVZ_hSdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>> last_permutation@yahoo.com wrote:
>>> On Dec 27, 10:53 am, David Hartung  wrote:
>>>> Karl wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "David Hartung"  wrote in message
>>>>> news:hqydnbP05fTo1svUnZ2dnUVZ_tXinZ2d@giganews.com...
>>>>>> Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>> Next, they will tell us that they are the victims and call you an
>>>>>>> antisemite for even mentioning the innocents these ZioScum murdered.
>>>>>>> They will continue to murder innocent and helpless people until
>>>>>>> somebody steps on them.
>>>>>>> On Dec 27, 3:22 pm, last_permutat...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>>>>>> America of course officially approves.
>>>>>>>> GAZA (Reuters) - Israeli warplanes and combat helicopters pounded 
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> Hamas-ruled Gaza Strip on Saturday, killing at least 155 people in 
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> bloodiest day for Palestinians in more than 20 years.
>>>>>>>> Palestinian militants responded with rocket salvoes that killed an
>>>>>>>> Israeli man and wounded several others, medics said.
>>>>>>>> The missiles struck as children were leaving school, leading to
>>>>>>>> widespread confusion and panic.
>>>>>>>> Plumes of black smoke rose above Gaza City, as sirens wailed and
>>>>>>>> mothers ran through the rubble searching desperately for their
>>>>>>>> children.
>>>>>>>> Television footage showed Gaza City hospitals crowded with people 
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> civilians transporting the wounded in their cars.
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> So lessee, one Israeli dead, nearly 200 Palestinians dead so far; 
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> number keeps rising.
>>>>>> Let me see, Palestinian Arabs can attack and kill all the Jews they
>>>>>> wish, but if the Israelis try to go after the killers, they are wrong.
>>>>>> Do I have it right?
>>>>> You do not. You ignore what is the real cause.
>>>> You mean the refusal of the Arabs to accept that Israel is a real
>>>> country, and is not going anywhere
>>>
>>> One day, your dumb ass may comprehend concepts like stolen land,
>>> illegal occupation, apartheid conditions, dozens of UN resolution
>>> violations,
>>> countless war crimes and crimes against humanity.  Your corrupt, dumb
>>> ass supports such a place.   At least three of Is-it-real's PM's were
>>> documented
>>> terrorists and war criminals.   Now move along.
>>
>> Just for the sake of discussion, what do you see as the solution to the 
>> issues in Israel?
>
>The existence of Israel is the issue.

The world would be a better more humane place if Israel didn't exist.

>


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On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 01:11:36 +0100, Zulu  wrote:

>I'll Always Be 26/12/08 escribió:
>> Bent Attorney  wrote in news:33e97db0-438f-
>> 4c9f-b73a-6b1dbca74a8e@g38g2000yqd.googlegroups.com:
>> 
>>> On Dec 25, 1:52 pm, kmc...@shell.vex.net (Kenneth McVay OBC) wrote:
>>>> In article , Kurt Knoll > @citywest.ca> 
>>> wrote:
>>>>> I know what you did is beyond of the capacity of your brain.
>>>> Frau Pikelhaube is simply envious of those of us who HAVE brains.
>>>> Those of us, for instance, who see the sentence above as complete
>>>> jibberish.
>>>>
>>> One thing you can't dispute is that Leuchter was an engineer.
>> 
>> Of course we dispute it. He was as much an engineer as kurt is a shade 
>> tree mechanic.
>> 
>> 
>>   He may
>>> not have received credibility/licensing from the government or from
>>> engineering licensing bodies, but since he did engineering he was an
>>> engineer
>> 
>> There is absolutely no proof that he did any engineering. Please cite 
>> examples of this claim
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> and did not lie under oath when asked whether he was an engineer.
>> 
>> Of course he knolled. He has no engineering skills, no degrees, no 
>> training, no licenses...he was a fraud
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> If I can drive a car well enough to pass any licensing test with
>>> flying colours, but don't bother with obtaining a license does that
>>> mean that I can not drive a car?
>> 
>> A better analogy would be that the fact that you can put gasoline into a 
>> car doesn't make you a mechanic
>> 
>> 
>>   Yes and no.  I am quite able to
>>> drive a car, but am not allowed to drive a car because I didn't pay
>>> the guv their cut.
>> 
>> 
>> Lifes a bitch. And then you die
>> 
>
>Explain us how the fact that Leuchter was not an engineer reflects on his work about 
>"gas chambers" topic?
>
>Do I use the fact that Pressac wasn't an engineer either to rebate all his 
>considerations about technical matters?
>
>I rebate Pressac because he was WRONG, not because he was not an engineer nor a plumber.

That position at least makes some sense. All this harping about
qualifications is just obfuscation.



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On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 22:10:11 +0000 (UTC), "I'll Always Be 27/12/08"
 wrote:

>Heavy toilet seats can be a danger to little boys
>Wooden toilet seats' popularity may lead to rise in 'crush' injuries, doc 
>says
>	
>
>
>Parents of newly toilet-trained boys should take a few simple steps to 
>keep their sons' penises safe when they go to the bathroom, a team of UK 
>urologists advises.
>
>There's evidence that crush injuries due to falling toilet seats may be on 
>the rise, Dr. Joe Philip of Leighton Hospital in Crewe in England and 
>colleagues warn in a letter in BJU (British Journal of Urology) 
>International.
>
>While he and his colleagues typically see just one or two such cases a 
>year, if any, Philip told Reuters Health, they treated four different 2- 
>to 4-year-old boys with penile crush injuries in the past several months.
>Story continues below ?advertisement | your ad here
>
>"Thankfully all of the four had only the foreskin swelling, but obviously 
>there's a lot of anxiety for the parents and the kids," Philip said. All 
>of the boys were kept in the hospital overnight until they were able to 
>urinate, but none of them suffered lasting physical damage, he added.
>
>In each case, the youngster was trying to urinate on his own and had 
>lifted the toilet seat, only to have it fall back down. An industry report 
>states that wooden toilet seats are becoming more popular as a possible 
>explanation for the increase in injuries.
>
>Philip and his colleagues offer the following tips to help families of 
>young boys prevent these injuries from happening:
>
>    * Install "soft fall" toilet seats in every bathroom in the home, and 
>ban heavy toilet seats made of wood or ceramic from homes with young boys.
>    * Leave the toilet seat up at all times, until all of the boys in the 
>household can hold the seat up on their own.
>    * Supervise children every time they visit the bathroom.
>
>Constant supervision can be difficult, Philip conceded, especially during 
>holiday gatherings when a youngster may steal off on his own to 
>demonstrate his newly-found skill. "Children want to show that they are 
>independent," he said.

They would need to be hung to pretty heroic proportions to be at risk
of clamping their penis with the toilet seat. This doesn't sound that
probable. Their injuries are most likely of some other cause than
toilet seats.


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On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 22:46:10 +0100, "albertus.magnus XLIV."
 wrote:

>
>"Graf Rotz von Juckemich"  wrote:
>
>shit

You're just another murderous moron with the morals of a pit viper.


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On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 04:34:47 +0000 (UTC), "I'll Always Be 27/12/08"
 wrote:

>Johannes von Ebersdorf  wrote in 
>news:o8pdl4hv00ttma7tsdevphra5f7dfssn53@4ax.com:
>
>> On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 20:57:07 +0000 (UTC), "I'll Always Be 27/12/08"
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>>Johannes von Ebersdorf  wrote in 
>>>news:j49cl45899s6f79p4sgkgv2cpek27k92bp@4ax.com:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 05:05:26 +0000 (UTC), "I'll Always Be 27/12/08"
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>>Johannes von Ebersdorf  wrote in 
>>>>>news:rh6bl4145l7cc6ufqr30fmcskgq68j0kqm@4ax.com:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, 26 Dec 2008 19:16:11 +0000 (UTC), "I'll Always Be 26/12/08"
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>Johannes von Ebersdorf  wrote in 
>>>>>>>news:vmh9l4pjuh7qvu9slsnst5j1ba5h1r7h0l@4ax.com:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, 24 Dec 2008 21:56:53 +0000 (UTC), "I'll Always Be 
>24/12/08"
>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>Johannes von Ebersdorf  wrote in 
>>>>>>>>>news:mec4l4924tbmc8t54c1cfa2lt646bef1t7@4ax.com:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 19:02:10 +0000 (UTC), "I'll Always Be 
>>>23/12/08"
>>>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>"Kurt Knoll"  wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>news:Ud94l.318$%v1.279@edtnps83: 
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Everytime someone disagrees with them they will go on a search 
>>>and
>>>>>>>>>>>> destroy mission do discredit anyone who does not eat the 
>>>holocaust 
>>>>>>>>>saga
>>>>>>>>>>>> hook line and sinker. one just must take a good look at the 
>show 
>>>>>>>>>trials
>>>>>>>>>>>> where they do an all out effort to discredit anyone that is in 
>>>>>their
>>>>>>>>>>>> way. Kurt Knoll.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Every time someone asks you a question you will call them names, 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> The chief name-callers on this newsgroup are the members of the 
>>>>>local
>>>>>>>>>> holocaust™ lobby.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>That's true. ben hebe cramer, kosher cuny and daniel bernard most 
>>>>>>>>>certainly are the chief name callers.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> That hasn't been my observation here.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>For you since obviously you are used to being called a cunt.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Actually no, that would be a first.  LOL
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>So you say
>>>> 
>>>> Yes, that's what I say, which is why I wrote it.
>>>
>>>
>>>Which makes it totally meaningless
>> 
>> No, meaninglessness seems to be a characteristic of your writing, not
>> mine.
>
>
>Oh, it's perfectly obvious that your overwhelming characteristic is 
>knolling. You even foist some of your lies on your mother, who saw people 
>shriveled down to the size of dolls, an interesting feat considering it's 
>impossible to shrink bones.

Stick your head back into the sand.  LOL

If the rest of your crap is as silly as what you have said above, then
there isn't much point to any continuation of discussions with you.




> But she wouldn't lie, would she? Or how fast 
>and furious you are backpedalling away from your claim that no one has 
>ever claimed mile high flames over the firebombed cities...only to be 
>shown two "revisionist" sites that make that very claim.
>
>So Mr Meaningless, dazzle us with your tap dancing
>
>
>
>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>> 
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Generally Ben and the others
>>>>>>>> respond to ad hominem attacks by McVey and consorts.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Actually, you would be hard pressed to find any responses by the 
>filth 
>>>>>>>mongers, cramer kc and bernard, that isn't an ad hominem
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Of course this has nothing to do with the general idiocy of kunt 
>>>>>knoll.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Anybody who expresses any doubt at all, even about
>>>>>>>>>> the most preposterous of the holocaust™ stories, is immediately
>>>>>>>>>> shouted down as a new Hitler, a Nazi, a denier, or whatever else 
>>>>>they
>>>>>>>>>> can dredge up to call people.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Interesting assertion. You seem to have a general antipathy to 
>>>>>>>responding 
>>>>>>>>>to criticism of your remarks. You also seem to have a very strong, 
>>>one 
>>>>>>>>>would almost say racial, hatred of the Allies which you aren't 
>>>adverse 
>>>>>>>to 
>>>>>>>>>repeating.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I've seen this technique in use before, and I'm not impressed.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>No one is impressed by your groups use of this technique.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Various
>>>>>>>>>> insane homophobes regularly use the same techniques by 
>immediately
>>>>>>>>>> branding any gay person as a "child molestor", even though all 
>the
>>>>>>>>>> available statistics say otherwise.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>What you aren't addressing is the proclivity of your group, when 
>>>>>pressed 
>>>>>>>>>into a corner, to project their perversions on others.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The homophobic lobby is full of shit,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Yet I do not recall ever seeing you telling this to cramer, kc or 
>>>>>daniel 
>>>>>>>>>bernard when they bring it up. Do you have a problem telling them 
>>>your 
>>>>>>>>>feelings?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> and so apparently is the holocaust™ lobby. Both lobbies are
>>>>>>>>>> running on empty, and hence need to resort to rhetoric and
>>>>>>>>>> intimidation to keep their nonsense upright.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Yes, your group has been on empty so long, it has lost track of 
>its 
>>>>>>>>>position
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>intimidate and knoll, but you never answer questions
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Ben Cramer"  wrote in message 
>>>>>>>>>>>> news:ad6dnf_hxpIQYc3UnZ2dnUVZ_o3inZ2d@giganews.com...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Toivo Kottarainen"  wrote in 
>>>>>message 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:4950e1e3$0$4780$9b536df3@news.fv.fi...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Ben Cramer"  >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Toivo Kottarainen"  wrote in 
>>>>>>>message 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:494fa495$0$4789$9b536df3@news.fv.fi...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Kurt Knoll" 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I do not need one gord . While living in Nuremberg whe the 
>>>>>show
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>trial was on id did listening to it every day. What irks 
>me 
>>>>>the 
>>>>>>>>>most
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>is when the accused wanted to give an explanatotion. The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>transmission was interrupted and we were allowed to the 
>>>>>>>religious
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>service of the local Synagogue. You must also remember it 
>>>was 
>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Germans who did pay for the rebuilding of the synagoe war 
>>>time 
>>>>>>>by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>the allied. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kurt Knoll.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As a former Nuremberger, You may also be familiar with 
>this:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * The Nuremberg Laws were designed by Hitler to define the 
>>>>>>>status 
>>>>>>>>>of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jews in Germany and to restrict them in political and 
>social 
>>>>>>>life.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which was a very clever move, given the yids had all but 
>>>>>>>destroyed 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Germany and had publicly stated that their goal was to 
>finish 
>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> job. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From this I understand that You are not a denier of The 
>>>>>Holocaust 
>>>>>>>>>but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a justifier of it, belonging to the group B of revisionists.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Topi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's the yids who have declared me to be a denier sunschein, 
>>>>>simply 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> because I don't swallow the entire story wholesale.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lay off the vodkkka.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>BTW, I thought you had plonked me. Yet another failure of your 
>>>>>computer 
>>>>>>>>>skills?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>> 
>> 


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On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 04:31:22 +0000 (UTC), "I'll Always Be 27/12/08"
 wrote:

>Johannes von Ebersdorf  wrote in 
>news:eapdl4tmssak19d8ukcto4mjihffqnritd@4ax.com:
>
>> On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 21:18:11 +0000 (UTC), "I'll Always Be 27/12/08"
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>>Johannes von Ebersdorf  wrote in 
>>>news:l5acl4dp8o6v4r6qtlna3m3i1snbtf9s8s@4ax.com:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 05:15:24 +0000 (UTC), "I'll Always Be 27/12/08"
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>>Johannes von Ebersdorf  wrote in 
>>>>>news:2g7bl45eptrp798nks8hbc3h3dbq0s1uop@4ax.com:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, 26 Dec 2008 12:46:49 +0000 (UTC), a-little-sanity,  please
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  [preposterous insanity crap deleted]
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>In article <20k9l4dsq5t947j9rqdpe59qj5mk2qpvim@4ax.com>,
>>>>>Johannes von Ebersdorf   wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>[snippage]
>>>>>
>>>>>http://www.holocaust-history.org/~dkeren/camps/belsen/kramer.shtml
>>>>>Joseph Kramer,  commandant of Belsen.  Also served
>>>>>in Auschwitz.  Hanged.
>>>>>
>>>>>http://max.mmvi.de/ssfrauen/bormann.jpg
>>>>>Johanna Bormann,  female member of the SS.  Served in
>>>>>Auschwitz and Belsen.  Hanged.
>>>>>
>>>>>http://shamash.org/holocaust/photos/images/SS-Women.jpg
>>>>>More female members of the SS,  who served in Belsen.
>>>>>
>>>>>http://www.scrapbookpages.com/BergenBelsen/OldPhotos/FranzHoessler.jpg
>>>>>SS Obersturmfuehrer Franz Hoessler.  Served  in
>>>>>Auschwitz and Belsen.  Hanged
>>>>>
>>>> I'm familiar with the various allied atrocities in postwar Germany.
>>>> You don't need to remind me of the actions of various allied kangaroo
>>>> courts.
>>>> 
>>>> There is a reason that one of the first things that happened when
>>>> power was restored to German authorities was the abolition of the
>>>> death penalty. The allied kangaroo courts put far more people to death
>>>> than Justice Freisler's court ever did.
>>>> 
>>>
>>>What about ALL of the courts
>> 
>> Death penalty cases generally went to the supreme court in Germany,
>> which at that time was the court of Justice Freisler.
>> 
>> 
>
>Generally. So, what about ALL of the courts? Of course it doesn't really 
>matter. There were more german kangaroos that deserved the death sentence.

So, you're not all that different from the Nazis you like to bash. You
have absolutely no commitment to justice or decency, which is what I
have suspected all along.


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On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 09:38:12 +0000 (UTC), a-little-sanity,  please
 wrote:

>In article ,
>Johannes von Ebersdorf   wrote:
>
>> The world would be a better more humane place if Israel didn't exist.
>
>The world would be a better more humane place if Germany didn't exist.

European civilization wouldn't exist. There is no Europe without
Germany. Germany is the centre-piece, the jewel of European
civilization.

>
>http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/ftp.py?camps//bergen-belsen/images/belsen01.jpg
>http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/ftp.py?camps//bergen-belsen/images/belsen02.jpg
>http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/ftp.py?camps//ohrdruf/images/ohrdruf-02.jpg
>http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/ftp.py?camps//nordhausen/images/nordhausen-01.jpg
>http://isurvived.org/Pictures_iSurvived-4/dachau-corpses.GIF
>http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/ftp.py?camps//buchenwald/images/buchenwald01.jpg
>
>
>   http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/1673471.stm
>
>   Mass graves found at Nazi camp
>Researchers have discovered seven mass graves at the Sobibor Nazi
>death camp in north-eastern Poland.
>
>   The research team,  which began its government-sponsored investigation
>in the summer,  said the graves -- the largest of which is about half
>the size of a football pitch -- contain charred remains.
>
>   


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On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 21:19:30 -0600, David Hartung 
wrote:

>lamevas@yahoo.com wrote:
>> On Dec 27, 3:29 pm, David Hartung  wrote:
>>> lame...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>> On Dec 27, 10:36 am, David Hartung  wrote:
>>>>> Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>> Next, they will tell us that they are the victims and call you an
>>>>>> antisemite for even mentioning the innocents these ZioScum murdered.
>>>>>> They will continue to murder innocent and helpless people until
>>>>>> somebody steps on them.
>>>>>> On Dec 27, 3:22 pm, last_permutat...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>>>>> America of course officially approves.
>>>>>>> GAZA (Reuters) - Israeli warplanes and combat helicopters pounded the
>>>>>>> Hamas-ruled Gaza Strip on Saturday, killing at least 155 people in the
>>>>>>> bloodiest day for Palestinians in more than 20 years.
>>>>>>> Palestinian militants responded with rocket salvoes that killed an
>>>>>>> Israeli man and wounded several others, medics said.
>>>>>>> The missiles struck as children were leaving school, leading to
>>>>>>> widespread confusion and panic.
>>>>>>> Plumes of black smoke rose above Gaza City, as sirens wailed and
>>>>>>> mothers ran through the rubble searching desperately for their
>>>>>>> children.
>>>>>>> Television footage showed Gaza City hospitals crowded with people and
>>>>>>> civilians transporting the wounded in their cars.
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> So lessee, one Israeli dead, nearly 200 Palestinians dead so far;  the
>>>>>>> number keeps rising.
>>>>> Let me see, Palestinian Arabs can attack and kill all the Jews they
>>>>> wish, but if the Israelis try to go after the killers, they are wrong.
>>>>> Do I have it right?
>>>> Check the word "disproportionate" in the dictionary.
>>> When Hams attacks Israeli civilians, the Israelis try to tack out the
>>> source of the attack.
>> 
>> Women and children? Israel can do better than that
>
>Pay attention.
>
>Palestinian terrorists deliberately locate their batteries and such in 
>heavily populated areas, this makes it difficult, if not impossible for 
>the Israelis to attack them without killing civilians. When Israel does 
>attack, and civilians are killed, the terrorists get a PR boost from 
>gullible people such as you.

Bullshit.


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On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 19:36:14 -0800 (PST), jgarbuz
 wrote:

>On Dec 27, 4:24 pm, Johannes von Ebersdorf 
>wrote:
>> On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 07:21:00 -0800 (PST), Warhol 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> >On 27 dec, 16:14,jgarbuz wrote:
>> >> On Dec 27, 10:08 am, "Heinrich"  wrote:
>>
>> >> > ISRAEL'S air force fired about 30 missiles at targets in the Gaza Strip
>> >> > today killing at least 140 people and wounding 200 medical officials say.
>>
>> >> > The strikes targeted several police compounds of the the radical Islamic
>> >> > group Hamas, the elected leaders of Palestine.<
>>
>> >> Israel has to do to the elected leaders of Hamas the same as what the
>> >> USAF did to the elected leaders of Nazi Germany:bomb them into their
>> >> bunkers and hopefully Hamas will shoot or poison themselves too.
>>
>> >It shows who the real terrorists are. The zionists.
>>
>> Israel is just another vicious settler-state.<
>
>You mean like the US, Canada, Australia and New Zealand? No unlike the
>former, we Jews did not exterminate the people living on our land in
>our absence. That was perhaps the mistake made in 1948.

You're in the vile business of doing that now.

Incidentally, Canada did not annihilate its native population. You are
confusing us with the vicious USA, your evil patron.


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On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 19:39:35 -0800 (PST), jgarbuz
 wrote:

>On Dec 27, 4:24 pm, Johannes von Ebersdorf 
>wrote:
>> On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 07:14:36 -0800 (PST),jgarbuz
>>
>>  wrote:
>> >On Dec 27, 10:08 am, "Heinrich"  wrote:
>> >> ISRAEL'S air force fired about 30 missiles at targets in the Gaza Strip
>> >> today killing at least 140 people and wounding 200 medical officials say.
>>
>> >> The strikes targeted several police compounds of the the radical Islamic
>> >> group Hamas, the elected leaders of Palestine.<
>>
>> >Israel has to do to the elected leaders of Hamas the same as what the
>> >USAF did to the elected leaders of Nazi Germany:bomb them into their
>> >bunkers and hopefully Hamas will shoot or poison themselves too.
>>
>> So you're not really against war crimes in principle, just when they
>> impact on your favourite folk.<
>
>It's not a crime to kill those coming to kill you. They taunted and
>begged for war and "martydom," so I hope Israel gives them plenty of
>it in spades.  It's what they say they want. to die fighting the
>"infidels." So let them take their families to Muzzie paradise and
>enjoy the virgins waiting for them.

You will eventually be dropped by your patron, and on that day the
bill for your crimes will come due.


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On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 19:40:14 -0800 (PST), jgarbuz
 wrote:

>On Dec 27, 4:24 pm, Johannes von Ebersdorf 
>wrote:
>> On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 12:14:30 -0500, xpene...@earthlink.net wrote:
>>
>> >>One accidentally struck a northern Gaza house killing two Palestinian
>> >>sisters, aged five and 13, and wounding a third, Palestinian medics say.
>>
>> >You've got this part ass backwards.  It was a Hamas misfired rocket
>> >that killed the two sisters.
>>
>> Even if that were true, and I rather doubt it, the Israeli monsters
>> and mass-murderers have massacred thousands of children over the years
>> to maintain their illegal blood-bespattered murderous settler-state.<
>
>The problem was, that they should have killed millions, not
>"thousands."

LOL

So tell me, how do you differ from the Nazis you like to excoriate?


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On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 09:40:54 +0200, holman@mappi.helsinki.fi (Eugene
Holman) wrote:

>In article ,
>ebersdorf@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
>> 
>> That position at least makes some sense. All this harping about
>> qualifications is just obfuscation.
>
>Qakifications are a guarantee of a certain minimal standard.
>
>Would you allow yourself to be operated on by a person who had learned how
>to remove tonsils through self instruction, but had never attended medical
>school?

I probably wouldn't, but that isn't the issue here. Testing a wall for
cyanide residue using a chemical testing kit isn't all that different
>from the pool boy testing the pool water for chlorine using a chemical
testing kit. Nobody has ever suggested that the pool boy needs a PhD
to validate his test results.

>
>Would you accept such a person as an expert witness for the defense if you
>had initiated a complaint against a surgeon for malpractice?
>
>The Leuchter report reveals clearly that its author was in way beyond his
>depth. Its primary error is Leuchter's contention that the structures and
>ruins that he examined could not possibly have been used for gassing
>humans because they lacked the engineering safety features that are
>attributes of American penal gas chambers, and that the minute traces of
>cyanide exposure found in them after more than four decades of exposure to
>the elements are the consequeces of routine but undocumented fumigations.
>Since it takes far higher concentrations of and longer eposure to cyanide
>to fumigate an enclosure than it does to kill people, any place that could
>be fumigated using the cyanide generated by Zyklon-B could also be used to
>kill people using the cyanide generated by Zyklon-B, the lack of
>engineering safety features notwithstanding. Zyklon-B was specifically
>developed as a product that would allow a competent exterminator to expose
>perfectly ordinary rooms, buildings, ships, train cars, and even tents,
>none of them having engineering safety features, to the high concentratios
>of cyanide needed for killing vermin, concentrations as much as fifty
>times higher than what is necessary for killing humans.
>
>According to Leuchter's logic the fatal accidents involving cyanide
>poisoning that happen in tanks, ship holds, and wells cannot occur because
>the structures in question lack the enginering safety features that are
>attributes of American penal gas chambers.
>
>Its second, equally absurd, argument is that carbon monoxide is unsuitable
>as an execution gas because the people locked into a sealed room who were
>forced to breathe it would die of suffocation before it could kill them.
>Once again, the thousands of fatal accidents involving carbon momoxide
>poisoning that take place every year belie Leuchter's claim.
>
>No court or scientifically literate person would accept a document making
>such claims as expert witness testimony, nor would they accept the author
>of such a document as competent in the area concerned.
>
>Regards,
>Eugene Holman


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On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 15:51:51 +0000 (UTC), a-little-sanity,  please
 wrote:

>In article ,
>Johannes von Ebersdorf   wrote:
>
>> European civilization wouldn't exist. There is no Europe without
>> Germany. Germany is the centre-piece, the jewel of European
>> civilization.
>
Your nizkor historical fiction does not change the facts. Germany was,
and is, one of the principal pillars of European civilization, the
greatest civilization the world has ever known.


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On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 14:17:01 GMT, "drref"
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>
>"Kurt Knoll"  wrote in message 
>news:koA5l.905$z%.857@edtnps82...
>> Was there a Jewish nation before 1948 ?. where did all the Jews come from.
>> KK
>a- historically there was

That is highly doubtful. Judaism is a religion, not a nation or a
race. Ancient Israel became extinct with the Babylonian Captivity, but
the religion known as Judaism survived with new adherents.

>b- There was no Palesimian nation ever

No, there were never any Palesimians, only Palestinian people. If
Palestinians are simians, then so are Jews. They are the same ethnic
stock, at least real Jews are.

>These people are nothing but thugs, so Israel is going to defend its people 
>against terrorists like Hamas that indiscriminately kill their own people," 
>Johndroe said in Texas as President George W. Bush was spending the week 
>before New Year's at his ranch here. "They need to stop. We have said in the 
>past that they have a choice to make. You can't have one foot in politics 
>and one foot in terror." 
>


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On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 06:52:09 -0800 (PST), Aviroce
 wrote:

>These Israelis are colonial settlers and they will be unsettled.  Your
>people are the real thugs.

I've seen a few TV interviews with Israeli settlers and they are
disgusting beyond words. They make Aryan nations fanatics sound
reasonable by contrast.

>
>
>On Dec 28, 9:17 am, "drref"  wrote:
>> "Aviroce"  wrote in message
>>
>> news:c25557b0-21b0-4537-9866-73038e248dc1@m22g2000vbp.googlegroups.com...
>> The change in definition of a "semite" originated with me.  I never
>> was wrong.  A semite is now a Jew.  A semite is an atrocious savage.
>> A jew is an atrocious savage.  Enjoy the blood as it changes to yours.
>>
>> These people are nothing but thugs, so Israel is going to defend its people
>> against terrorists like Hamas that indiscriminately kill their own people,"
>> Johndroe said in Texas as President George W. Bush was spending the week
>> before New Year's at his ranch here. "They need to stop. We have said in the
>> past that they have a choice to make. You can't have one foot in politics
>> and one foot in terror."


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On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 07:03:37 -0800 (PST), Peace Power
 wrote:

>On Dec 28, 6:52 am, Aviroce  wrote:
>> These Israelis are colonial settlers and they will be unsettled.  Your
>> people are the real thugs.
>
>jeffie knws that - it is the reason jeffie is posting so much, scared
>of another Holocaust(tm) over the latest fiasco in Gaza committed by
>irsraHELL.

Neo-Israel will eventually suffer the same fate as the European
crusader states on that same site. Decent people everywhere will
rejoice when that day arrives.

>
>It looks as though the zionist-jews are making arrangements for
>another Holocaust(tm).
>This time, the world will not come and put their lives on the line or
>their pocket books to help the Jews, since everyone is fed up with
>what zionist have done to Judaism. People no longer distinguish the
>difference between a zionist and a Jew. The recent actions of israel
>are not the only reason the world is completely fed up with zionist,
>there are the bank scandals, the endless multitude of jewish lobbies
>that run foreign policies for governments, holding dual israeli/
>American, etc.. citizenship.
>
>Gaza, 27 December, 2008: The day Israel betrayed peace-loving Jews,
>creating world wide anti-Semitism:
>
>It has been the age-old intention of Zionism to intentionally stir up
>anti-Semitism anywhere possible, and even more commonly, to take
>advantage of any Jewish suffering anywhere in order to enhance its
>cause. Indeed, hatred of Jews and Jewish suffering is the oxygen of
>the Zionist movement, and from the very beginning has been to
>deliberately incite hatred of the Jew and then, in feigned horror, use
>it to justify the existence of the Zionist state – this is, of course,
>Machiavellianism raised to the highest degree. Thus, the Zionists
>thrive on hatred and suffering of Jews, and seek to benefit thereby
>through keeping Jews in perpetual fear, causing them to ignore the
>true nature of Zionism, and instead to consider the Zionist state is
>their salvation.
>
>http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/zionism/zanda.cfm
>
>Section 50 of the Hague Convention forbids collective punishment of a
>civilian population
>in response to actions perpetrated by individual members of that
>population.
>
>“Civilian objects shall not be the object of attack or of
>reprisals.” (Geneva Conventions, Protocol 1, art.52(1)
>
>PHOTOS OF THE CHANUKAH MASSACRE:
>http://desertpeace.wordpress.com/2008/12/28/photos-of-the-chanukah-massacre/
>
>> On Dec 28, 9:17 am, "drref"  wrote:
>>
>> > "Aviroce"  wrote in message
>>
>> >news:c25557b0-21b0-4537-9866-73038e248dc1@m22g2000vbp.googlegroups.com...
>> > The change in definition of a "semite" originated with me.  I never
>> > was wrong.  A semite is now a Jew.  A semite is an atrocious savage.
>> > A jew is an atrocious savage.  Enjoy the blood as it changes to yours.
>>
>> > These people are nothing but thugs, so Israel is going to defend its people
>> > against terrorists like Hamas that indiscriminately kill their own people,"
>> > Johndroe said in Texas as President George W. Bush was spending the week
>> > before New Year's at his ranch here. "They need to stop. We have said in the
>> > past that they have a choice to make. You can't have one foot in politics
>> > and one foot in terror."


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On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 15:13:45 +0100, "Heinrich"
 wrote:

>
>"PB1952"  schreef in bericht 
>news:gj7rqa$2ue$1@news.motzarella.org...
>> "PB1952"  wrote in message 
>> news:gj7rd4$u65$1@news.motzarella.org...
>>> "Heinrich"  wrote in message 
>>> news:6rovovF1vgv4U1@mid.individual.net...
>>>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1102100/Israel-takes-bloody-revenge-More-200-killed-Gaza-strikes-halt-Hamas-rockets.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> What is the name of the town you live in?
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> I suddenly realised my question could be misread  as a threat,
>> It's not.
>> I was going to suggest that you imagine missiles raining down on you on a 
>> regular basis .
>> What would you want your government to do about it? Nothing?
>> -- 
>> PB1952@gmail.com
>>
>
>i agree and see the point you are making but you donot throw 670kilos of 
>explosives on innocent people. israel should accept the fact that the hamas 
>government was elected in a fair election and should accept the 
>consequences.on the other hand the rockets used by the terrorists are 
>nothing but firecrackers and donoto harm in anyway.
>
>as long as israel refuses to enbter into negotiations with hamas nothing 
>will change 

USreal is all infavour of democratic elections as long as they are
rigged to go in favour of USreal.

Israel and its American patrons really don't like democracy at all.
They prefer to deal with strong-men and dictators whom they can
control more easily.


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On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 15:10:48 +0100, "Heinrich"
 wrote:

>
>"PB1952"  schreef in bericht 
>news:gj7rd4$u65$1@news.motzarella.org...
>> "Heinrich"  wrote in message 
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>>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1102100/Israel-takes-bloody-revenge-More-200-killed-Gaza-strikes-halt-Hamas-rockets.html
>>
>>
>>
>> What is the name of the town you live in?
> that is confidentiual information i donot want to get a visit by the mossad 

Quite appart from that possibility is the chance of encountering
zionist arsonists or murderers.


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On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 20:39:14 +0000 (UTC), "I'll Always Be 28/12/08"
 wrote:

>"Kurt Knoll"  wrote in
>news:%SP5l.1687$%v1.1367@edtnps83: 
>
>> You have a simple mind mentality could it because you are living on
>> stolen land.
>
>But you proved that Jews have always lived there.
>
>
> After more than 2000 year absence the is no such thin as
>> ancestral right.
>
>
>Then there is no ancestral right for ethnic germans in any country they 
>were forced out of.

Those claims are a lot more recent than 2000 years, and they are much
better supported than Jewish claims based on religious myths.

>
>
> The main interest of the jewie state is exterminate all
>> the Palestinians.
>
>
>You are Jewish
>
>
> Do you know of any other race is having so much more
>> that Palestinians who have liver there for centuries.
>
>
>Yes, you remember, you lived in germany.
>
>
> You consider your
>> self very lucky with your primitive American basic education out there.
>
>What education do you have?
>
>
>
>> You have noting do be proud of go back to your comic boos you are only
>> an undereducated vegetable.
>
>
>Why is it you try to intimidate?
>
>
>
>> Kurt Knoll.
>> 
>> "Ich bin ein Amerikaner"  wrote in message 
>> news:cg7fl41s85dv1484j7i5034rn2dbd0hs36@4ax.com...
>>> David Hartung    wrote:
>>>
>>>>last_permutation@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>>> America of course officially approves.
>>>>>
>>>>> GAZA (Reuters) - Israeli warplanes and combat helicopters pounded the
>>>>> Hamas-ruled Gaza Strip on Saturday, killing at least 155 people in
>>>>> the bloodiest day for Palestinians in more than 20 years.
>>>>>
>>>>> Palestinian militants responded with rocket salvoes that killed an
>>>>> Israeli man and wounded several others, medics said.
>>>>>
>>>>> The missiles struck as children were leaving school, leading to
>>>>> widespread confusion and panic.
>>>>>
>>>>> Plumes of black smoke rose above Gaza City, as sirens wailed and
>>>>> mothers ran through the rubble searching desperately for their
>>>>> children.
>>>>>
>>>>> Television footage showed Gaza City hospitals crowded with people and
>>>>> civilians transporting the wounded in their cars.
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> So lessee, one Israeli dead, nearly 200 Palestinians dead so far; 
>>>>> the number keeps rising.
>>>>
>>>>The article tells us what Israel did. Why did they do it?
>>>>
>>>>Historically, Israel does not just randomly attack and kill
>>>>Palestinians, they always have a reason, and usually, it is a pretty
>>>>good reason.
>>>
>>> The reasons why Israel retaliates is quite forward. The Palestinians
>>> under Hamas rule are retards. They do not understand the concept of
>>> cause and effect. If Gaza insists on launching rockets and grenades
>>> into Israel, expect the consequences. Don't whine about it.
>>>
>>> I don't feel sorry for the Gazans.
>>>
>>> ===USA===
>>>
>>> Justice will be served
>>> And the battle will rage
>>> This big dog will fight
>>> When you rattle his cage
>>> And youll be sorry that you messed with
>>> The U.S. of A.
>>> cause well put a boot in your ass
>>> Its the American way
>>>
>>> -Toby Keith, "Courtesy Of The Red, White & Blue" 
>> 
>> 
>> 


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On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 16:56:33 +0000 (UTC), a-little-sanity,  please
 wrote:

>In article ,
>Tim Miller   wrote:
>
>> Johannes von Ebersdorf wrote:
>
>>> Your nizkor historical fiction does not change the facts. Germany was,
>>> and is, one of the principal pillars of European civilization, the
>>> greatest civilization the world has ever known.
>
>> Welcome to Earth! What color is the sky on YOUR planet??
>
>Shit-brown,  like an SA shirt.

Poor little moron a-very-little-sanity has spoken.


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On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 16:38:03 +0000 (UTC), a-little-sanity,  please
 wrote:

>In article ,
>Johannes von Ebersdorf   wrote:
>
>> Your nizkor historical fiction does not change the facts. Germany was,
>> and is, one of the principal pillars of European civilization, the
>> greatest civilization the world has ever known.
>
 [historical fiction by nizkor deleted]


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On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 16:59:14 -0600, David Hartung 
wrote:

>last_permutation@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>> Israel is a fake nation and the biggest terrorist state in the region.
>> The fact that it produces no oil is all the more reason to call
>> it worthless to the United States.
>
>Upon what facts do you base this opinion?

Religious myths and "facts" are two different things.


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On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 16:57:06 GMT, Ich bin ein Amerikaner
 wrote:

>With Barney the Dinosaur as a mentor,  last_permutation@yahoo.com
>wrote:
>
>>On Dec 27, 1:34 pm, David Hartung  wrote:
>>> Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>> > On Dec 27, 5:53 pm, David Hartung  wrote:
>>> >> Bent Attorney wrote:
>>> >>> Had Jewish people emigrated there
>>> >>> peacefully you would not have this problem.
>>> >> The original Jewish immigrants to Palestine wanted nothing more than to
>>> >> live in peace. They bought their land, and did endeavored to live in
>>> >> peace with their neighbors.
>>>
>>> > This is a lie. Jews started terrorizing and wiping out Palestinian
>>> > villages long before the UN resolution creating Israel.
>>>
>>> I would be interested in seeing your source for this information.
>>>
>>> > Most Palestinians would accept two states based on the UN resolution
>>> > creating Israel but the Jews do not want peace.
>>>
>>> You are aware that Jordan was created as a Palestinian state?
>>>
>>> You are aware that the West Bank and Gaza were taken by Israel in a
>>> defensive war?
>>>
>>> You are aware that since the creation of Israel, in every war between
>>> the Arabs and Israel, the Arabs were the aggressors?
>>>
>>> > The illegal settlements,
>>>
>>> Illegal according to whom?
>>>
>>> > collective punishment of an entire population, bulldozing
>>> > of Palestinian homes, murdering of Palestinian men, women and children
>>> > are designed to destroy the Palestinians.
>>>
>>> Have you considered that all of the above actions were in response to
>>> attacks on Israelis? Usually in response to attacks on unarmed Israeli
>>> civilians.
>>>
>>> > The Jew media would have us believe that it is the Palestinians and
>>> > not the Jews who are the aggressors and the real terrorists.
>>>
>>> You sir, are a bigot.
>>
>>Me thinks me beginning to smell bagels and lox.
>
>Kosher predates Halal by several centuries.
>
>===USA===
>
>Justice will be served
>And the battle will rage
>This big dog will fight
>When you rattle his cage
>And youll be sorry that you messed with
>The U.S. of A.
>cause well put a boot in your ass
>Its the American way
>
>-Toby Keith, "Courtesy Of The Red, White & Blue"

"Ich bin ein Amerikaner" ist eigentlich nur ein Arschloch.


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On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 01:15:23 +0000 (UTC), "I'll Always Be 28/12/08"
 wrote:

>"Kurt Knoll"  wrote in
>news:TPS5l.1016$z%.684@edtnps82: 
>
>> All I see here is a holocaust against the Palestinians.
>
>Oh my god, are the germans in palestine?

No, far worse, Israelis.
>
>
>And there are
>> still of under educated idiots and the that trust the Jews.
>
>
>There is no one that trusts the Jew knoll.
>
> First they
>> steal the Palestinians homeland and then play Russian roiled with the
>> Palestinian rights.
>
>
>How can you steal what is yours?
>
>
>And the do get away with murder what their press is
>> reporting to us is only a tiny fraction what really goes on in the
>> middle east.
>
>
>How do you know what is going on in the middle east if no one is reporting 
>it?
>
>
> Kurt Knoll
>>  wrote in message 
>> news:GoR5l.1584$BC4.1231@nwrddc02.gnilink.net...
>>>
>>> On 26-Dec-2008, Lazarus Cain  wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Dec 23, 2:46 pm, a-little-sanity,  please 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> > In article ,
>>>> > Rostyslaw J. Lewyckyj  wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > > It's actually the other way around.
>>>> > > The Palestinians shoot of a couple of rockets and the Israelis
>>>> > > answer with a large artillery barrage + a bombing air strike.
>>>> >
>>>> > Let's see. The Palestinians have been shooting at Israeli cities
>>>> > for weeks now. When was the last time that Israelis answered
>>>> > "with a large artillery barrage" or "a bombing air strike"?
>>>>
>>>> LEBANON???????
>>>
>>> As well they should - & thanks for proving us all correct.
>>>
>>> Susan 
>> 
>> 
>> 


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On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 17:30:32 -0800 (PST), Michael Ejercito
 wrote:

>http://www.israpundit.com/2008/?p=6794
>
>Israel: Heed Air Marshal Sir Arthur Harris
>
>by Bill Levinson
>Now that Israel has FINALLY retaliated against Hamas for Hamas’
>ongoing litany of mindless violence and breaches of regional peace, it
>needs to heed the advice of the British air marshal who supervised the
>bombing campaigns of the Second World War. With regard to
>justification of the bombing campaign in the first place, just replace
>“Nazis” with “Palestinians” (easy enough) and the names of the Allied
>cities with those of the Israeli cities at which the Palestinians have
>fired rockets.
>
>
>      The Nazis entered this war under the rather childish delusion
>that they were going to bomb everyone else,

That is nonsense. It was the allies who owned the holocaust fleet, not
Germany. The allies had already planned mass civilian atrocities by
1935 and built the type of aircraft needed for this type of
dishonourable work.

> and nobody was going to
>bomb them. At Rotterdam, London, Warsaw,

You have your timeline all wrong, ejaculito. Rotterdam was a defended
city as was Warsaw. Both places had German armies on the ground in a
position to capture them, so the bombardments were quite legal. London
was only attacked after a series of terrorst attacks against Berlin.

Celebrating harris is like celebrating Eichmann. You're a complete
arsehole, ejaculito.






 and half a hundred other
>places, they put their rather naive theory into operation. They sowed
>the wind, and now they are going to reap the whirlwind.
>
>
>With regard to the advisability of using Israeli ground troops (who
>would suffer heavily in combat with guerrillas–house to house fighting
>is a combat soldier’s worst nightmare):
>
>      I do not personally regard the whole of the remaining cities of
>Germany as worth the bones of one British Grenadier.
>
>The whole of Gaza is similarly not worth the bones of one IDF soldier,
>if bombing the place into rubble will end the conflict without ground
>combat. Civilian casualties are admittedly regrettable, but they are
>the responsibility of the Hamas terrorists who hide among civilians
>(often with the civilians’ consent and encouragement, because they
>support Hamas’ agenda of terror). Harris had some good advice about
>this too:
>
>      The aim of the Combined Bomber Offensive…should be unambiguously
>stated [as] the destruction of German cities, the killing of German
>workers, and the disruption of civilized life throughout Germany.
>
>      It should be emphasized that the destruction of houses, public
>utilities, transport and lives, the creation of a refugee problem on
>an unprecedented scale, and the breakdown of morale both at home and
>at the battle fronts by fear of extended and intensified bombing, are
>accepted and intended aims of our bombing policy. They are not by-
>products of attempts to hit factories.
>
>A similar bombing campaign by the IAF should similarly traumatize the
>population of Gaza to such an extent that the dazed and vacant-eyed
>survivors will never again think of lifting a finger to Israel, or
>being caught in possession of so much as a model rocket (let alone a
>Katyusha). Even if some might still be inclined to commit violence,
>they will not have the means to commit it because they will be
>struggling to find enough to eat in the rubble.
>
>The above may sound harsh, but most normal people learn in
>kindergarten not to hit other people unless they want to be hit back.
>Most adults know that you don’t shoot at other people (even in the
>absence of police) unless you want them to shoot back at you. As
>stated by Harris, Nazi Germany did not understand this, or did not
>care, so England turned Dresden into a giant crematorium. Hamas
>clearly does not understand this either, so Israel is 100 percent
>justified in turning Gaza into a giant crematorium if that is what it
>takes to make the rockets and mortar shells stop.


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On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 17:39:42 -0800 (PST), Michael Ejercito
 wrote:

>http://www.israpundit.com/2008/?p=6837
>
>UK and Vatican Call for Cease Fire in Gaza
>
>by Bill Levinson
>
>The United Kingdom has called for an “immediate halt” to violence in
>Gaza, while the Pope called upon “all sides” to end the violence.
>
>We do not recall either Britain or the Vatican speaking up when Hamas
>was pouring rockets and mortar shells into Israel.

Israel is an illegal settler-state and illegal occupier of somebody
else's country. The Israelis need to end their oppressive occupation
that makes German occupations in Europe during WW2 look postively
benign by comparison.





> We therefore do not
>see why Israel should even listen to anything that either entity has
>to say now that Hamas is reaping what it has sown.


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On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 01:18:31 +0000 (UTC), "I'll Always Be 28/12/08"
 wrote:

>"Kurt Knoll"  wrote in
>news:JpU5l.1813$%v1.954@edtnps83: 
>
>> Israel was created with deception. It was created with the power of
>> American who did have the greatest influence in the UN.
>
>Not true. It's the Jewish homeland, even you admitted Jews have always 
>been there

There have indeed been a handful of Jews in that area, but most of
them were dumped in later.

>
>
>
>
>> After the ottoman empire did collapse. and part of Jordan.
>
>
>No, before that.
>
>
> The first contingent of
>> the Jews from Russia did settle in about 1882.
>
>
>Interesting, can you show us the census records? Originals, no copies.
>
>
> Today the Jews tell us
>> they have always been in Palestine.
>
>
>So do you.
>
> This certainly is an outright lie.
>
>Then it is a lie you told
>
>
>
>> but with the help of America it did make or created a turmoil.
>> Kurt Knoll.
>> 
>> Kurt Knoll.
>> 
>> "David Hartung"  wrote in message 
>> news:9ZSdnYUQ5_IgmcXUnZ2dnUVZ_h0AAAAA@giganews.com...
>>> last_permutation@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> Israel is a fake nation and the biggest terrorist state in the region.
>>>> The fact that it produces no oil is all the more reason to call
>>>> it worthless to the United States.
>>>
>>> Upon what facts do you base this opinion? 
>> 
>> 
>> 


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On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 01:13:36 +0000 (UTC), "I'll Always Be 28/12/08"
 wrote:

>Johannes von Ebersdorf  wrote in 
>news:4p2gl41a57k28anvbvh3ibhhqmhkrqe3ll@4ax.com:
>
>> On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 20:39:14 +0000 (UTC), "I'll Always Be 28/12/08"
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>>"Kurt Knoll"  wrote in
>>>news:%SP5l.1687$%v1.1367@edtnps83: 
>>>
>>>> You have a simple mind mentality could it because you are living on
>>>> stolen land.
>>>
>>>But you proved that Jews have always lived there.
>>>
>>>
>>> After more than 2000 year absence the is no such thin as
>>>> ancestral right.
>>>
>>>
>>>Then there is no ancestral right for ethnic germans in any country they 
>>>were forced out of.
>> 
>> Those claims are a lot more recent than 2000 years, and they are much
>> better supported than Jewish claims based on religious myths.
>
>
>They are no better supported than your mothers claim to shovel up the 
>remains of people who had shriveled to the size of dolls.

You're entitled to your delusions. You will not be able to suppress
the truth of allied crimes forever.

>
>
>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> The main interest of the jewie state is exterminate all
>>>> the Palestinians.
>>>
>>>
>>>You are Jewish
>>>
>>>
>>> Do you know of any other race is having so much more
>>>> that Palestinians who have liver there for centuries.
>>>
>>>
>>>Yes, you remember, you lived in germany.
>>>
>>>
>>> You consider your
>>>> self very lucky with your primitive American basic education out 
>there.
>>>
>>>What education do you have?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> You have noting do be proud of go back to your comic boos you are only
>>>> an undereducated vegetable.
>>>
>>>
>>>Why is it you try to intimidate?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Kurt Knoll.
>>>> 
>>>> "Ich bin ein Amerikaner"  wrote in message 
>>>> news:cg7fl41s85dv1484j7i5034rn2dbd0hs36@4ax.com...
>>>>> David Hartung    wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>last_permutation@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>>>>> America of course officially approves.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> GAZA (Reuters) - Israeli warplanes and combat helicopters pounded 
>the
>>>>>>> Hamas-ruled Gaza Strip on Saturday, killing at least 155 people in
>>>>>>> the bloodiest day for Palestinians in more than 20 years.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Palestinian militants responded with rocket salvoes that killed an
>>>>>>> Israeli man and wounded several others, medics said.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The missiles struck as children were leaving school, leading to
>>>>>>> widespread confusion and panic.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Plumes of black smoke rose above Gaza City, as sirens wailed and
>>>>>>> mothers ran through the rubble searching desperately for their
>>>>>>> children.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Television footage showed Gaza City hospitals crowded with people 
>and
>>>>>>> civilians transporting the wounded in their cars.
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So lessee, one Israeli dead, nearly 200 Palestinians dead so far; 
>>>>>>> the number keeps rising.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The article tells us what Israel did. Why did they do it?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Historically, Israel does not just randomly attack and kill
>>>>>>Palestinians, they always have a reason, and usually, it is a pretty
>>>>>>good reason.
>>>>>
>>>>> The reasons why Israel retaliates is quite forward. The Palestinians
>>>>> under Hamas rule are retards. They do not understand the concept of
>>>>> cause and effect. If Gaza insists on launching rockets and grenades
>>>>> into Israel, expect the consequences. Don't whine about it.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't feel sorry for the Gazans.
>>>>>
>>>>> ===USA===
>>>>>
>>>>> Justice will be served
>>>>> And the battle will rage
>>>>> This big dog will fight
>>>>> When you rattle his cage
>>>>> And youll be sorry that you messed with
>>>>> The U.S. of A.
>>>>> cause well put a boot in your ass
>>>>> Its the American way
>>>>>
>>>>> -Toby Keith, "Courtesy Of The Red, White & Blue" 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>> 


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On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 22:35:13 -0800 (PST), mirjam@actcom.co.il wrote:

>On Dec 29, 4:15 am, Johannes von Ebersdorf 
>wrote:
>> On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 01:15:23 +0000 (UTC), "I'll Always Be 28/12/08"
>>
>>  wrote:
>> >"Kurt Knoll"  wrote in
>> >news:TPS5l.1016$z%.684@edtnps82:
>>
>> >> All I see here is a holocaust against the Palestinians.
>>
>> >Oh my god, are the germans in palestine?
>>
>> No, far worse, Israelis.
>
>In  fact there were German Templers that settled in Israel , =
>"Tempelgesselschaft,
>Templer , who built here several colonies ,,,
>Many of their children mooved later to Australia ,

The Templars were not primarily German. The German Order was German
and it still exists, but the Templars were wiped out by the French
King in the late middle ages.

>
>mirjam


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On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 07:49:49 +0000 (UTC), "I'll Always Be 29/12/08"
 wrote:

>mirjam@actcom.co.il wrote in
>news:731b673c-87ae-45da-927d-23a5d9592168@z6g2000pre.googlegroups.com: 
>
>> On Dec 29, 4:15 am, Johannes von Ebersdorf 
>> wrote:
>>> On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 01:15:23 +0000 (UTC), "I'll Always Be 28/12/08"
>>>
>>>  wrote:
>>> >"Kurt Knoll"  wrote in
>>> >news:TPS5l.1016$z%.684@edtnps82:
>>>
>>> >> All I see here is a holocaust against the Palestinians.
>>>
>>> >Oh my god, are the germans in palestine?
>>>
>>> No, far worse, Israelis.
>> 
>> In  fact there were German Templers that settled in Israel ,
>> "Tempelgesselschaft, Templer , who built here several colonies ,,,
>> Many of their children mooved later to Australia ,
>
>
>That figures

It is also nonsense.

>
>
>> 
>> mirjam
>> 


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On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 04:24:00 +0000 (UTC), "I'll Always Be 28/12/08"
 wrote:

>Johannes von Ebersdorf  wrote in 
>news:22cgl4hmilu6e1trg41offplnf8ilma49g@4ax.com:
>
>> On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 01:13:36 +0000 (UTC), "I'll Always Be 28/12/08"
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>>Johannes von Ebersdorf  wrote in 
>>>news:4p2gl41a57k28anvbvh3ibhhqmhkrqe3ll@4ax.com:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 20:39:14 +0000 (UTC), "I'll Always Be 28/12/08"
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>>"Kurt Knoll"  wrote in
>>>>>news:%SP5l.1687$%v1.1367@edtnps83: 
>>>>>
>>>>>> You have a simple mind mentality could it because you are living on
>>>>>> stolen land.
>>>>>
>>>>>But you proved that Jews have always lived there.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> After more than 2000 year absence the is no such thin as
>>>>>> ancestral right.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Then there is no ancestral right for ethnic germans in any country 
>they 
>>>>>were forced out of.
>>>> 
>>>> Those claims are a lot more recent than 2000 years, and they are much
>>>> better supported than Jewish claims based on religious myths.
>>>
>>>
>>>They are no better supported than your mothers claim to shovel up the 
>>>remains of people who had shriveled to the size of dolls.
>> 
>> You're entitled to your delusions. You will not be able to suppress
>> the truth of allied crimes forever.
>
>
>I notice that you just can't bring yourself to address the lies your 
>mother told and that you posted here. Why is that?

They are not lies and she was hardly the only person involved in
collecting the remains of the dead after an allied terrorist attack on
Frankfurt a/M.

You are full of shit, and after this latest crap you are going into a
"mark as read" filter.

>
>
>
>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>> 
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The main interest of the jewie state is exterminate all
>>>>>> the Palestinians.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>You are Jewish
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you know of any other race is having so much more
>>>>>> that Palestinians who have liver there for centuries.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Yes, you remember, you lived in germany.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You consider your
>>>>>> self very lucky with your primitive American basic education out 
>>>there.
>>>>>
>>>>>What education do you have?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> You have noting do be proud of go back to your comic boos you are 
>only
>>>>>> an undereducated vegetable.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Why is it you try to intimidate?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Kurt Knoll.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> "Ich bin ein Amerikaner"  wrote in message 
>>>>>> news:cg7fl41s85dv1484j7i5034rn2dbd0hs36@4ax.com...
>>>>>>> David Hartung    wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>last_permutation@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>> America of course officially approves.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> GAZA (Reuters) - Israeli warplanes and combat helicopters pounded 
>>>the
>>>>>>>>> Hamas-ruled Gaza Strip on Saturday, killing at least 155 people 
>in
>>>>>>>>> the bloodiest day for Palestinians in more than 20 years.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Palestinian militants responded with rocket salvoes that killed 
>an
>>>>>>>>> Israeli man and wounded several others, medics said.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The missiles struck as children were leaving school, leading to
>>>>>>>>> widespread confusion and panic.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Plumes of black smoke rose above Gaza City, as sirens wailed and
>>>>>>>>> mothers ran through the rubble searching desperately for their
>>>>>>>>> children.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Television footage showed Gaza City hospitals crowded with people 
>>>and
>>>>>>>>> civilians transporting the wounded in their cars.
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So lessee, one Israeli dead, nearly 200 Palestinians dead so far; 
>>>>>>>>> the number keeps rising.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>The article tells us what Israel did. Why did they do it?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Historically, Israel does not just randomly attack and kill
>>>>>>>>Palestinians, they always have a reason, and usually, it is a 
>pretty
>>>>>>>>good reason.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The reasons why Israel retaliates is quite forward. The 
>Palestinians
>>>>>>> under Hamas rule are retards. They do not understand the concept of
>>>>>>> cause and effect. If Gaza insists on launching rockets and grenades
>>>>>>> into Israel, expect the consequences. Don't whine about it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't feel sorry for the Gazans.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ===USA===
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Justice will be served
>>>>>>> And the battle will rage
>>>>>>> This big dog will fight
>>>>>>> When you rattle his cage
>>>>>>> And youll be sorry that you messed with
>>>>>>> The U.S. of A.
>>>>>>> cause well put a boot in your ass
>>>>>>> Its the American way
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -Toby Keith, "Courtesy Of The Red, White & Blue" 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>> 
>> 


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On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 04:23:01 +0000 (UTC), "I'll Always Be 28/12/08"
 wrote:

>Johannes von Ebersdorf  wrote in 
>news:i4cgl45r1rvahhotsa9kcse5eqqad4a112@4ax.com:
>
>> On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 01:18:31 +0000 (UTC), "I'll Always Be 28/12/08"
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>>"Kurt Knoll"  wrote in
>>>news:JpU5l.1813$%v1.954@edtnps83: 
>>>
>>>> Israel was created with deception. It was created with the power of
>>>> American who did have the greatest influence in the UN.
>>>
>>>Not true. It's the Jewish homeland, even you admitted Jews have always 
>>>been there
>> 
>> There have indeed been a handful of Jews in that area, 
>
>
>So now we have two revisionists admitting that Jews have always been 
>there.
>
>
>> but most of them were dumped in later.
>
>
>Dumped there? By a big mysterious Mack?

No, idiot-boy, by British colonialists who had no basic rights to the
area either.

>
>
>
>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> After the ottoman empire did collapse. and part of Jordan.
>>>
>>>
>>>No, before that.
>>>
>>>
>>> The first contingent of
>>>> the Jews from Russia did settle in about 1882.
>>>
>>>
>>>Interesting, can you show us the census records? Originals, no copies.
>>>
>>>
>>> Today the Jews tell us
>>>> they have always been in Palestine.
>>>
>>>
>>>So do you.
>>>
>>> This certainly is an outright lie.
>>>
>>>Then it is a lie you told
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> but with the help of America it did make or created a turmoil.
>>>> Kurt Knoll.
>>>> 
>>>> Kurt Knoll.
>>>> 
>>>> "David Hartung"  wrote in message 
>>>> news:9ZSdnYUQ5_IgmcXUnZ2dnUVZ_h0AAAAA@giganews.com...
>>>>> last_permutation@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Israel is a fake nation and the biggest terrorist state in the 
>region.
>>>>>> The fact that it produces no oil is all the more reason to call
>>>>>> it worthless to the United States.
>>>>>
>>>>> Upon what facts do you base this opinion? 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>> 


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On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 20:11:04 -0600, David Hartung 
wrote:

>Kurt Knoll wrote:
>> Israel was created with deception. It was created with the power of American 
>> who did have the greatest influence in the UN. After the ottoman empire did 
>> collapse. and part of Jordan. The first contingent of the Jews from Russia 
>> did settle in about 1882. Today the Jews tell us they have always been in 
>> Palestine. This certainly is an outright lie. but with the help of America 
>> it did make or created a turmoil.
>> Kurt Knoll.
>
>I believe that if you do some research, you will find that there have 
>been Jews in Palestine since well before the founding of the USA. In all 
>probability, there have been Jews living in that part of the world since 
>the day that the Children of Israel first crossed the Jordan. During the 
>past 2000 years, there weere likely not large numbers, but they have 
>been there.

Be that as it may, the vast bulk of today's Israelis are Russians and
Poles.


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On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 20:12:04 -0600, David Hartung 
wrote:

>Crash wrote:
>>  in alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,  On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 David Hartung
>> said about: 
>>  Re: Israel continues to win hearts and minds. Way to go, again,
>> ZioScum 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> You are aware that the West Bank and Gaza were taken by Israel in a 
>>> defensive war?
>> 
>> Claims are like assholes.   So what.  Fact is, they are
>> not part of Israel.  
>
>Check your history, who won the war in 1967.

Who cares? Winning the 1967 war entitles Israel to nothing. 


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On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 05:22:07 +0000 (UTC), "I'll Always Be 29/12/08"
 wrote:

>"Kurt Knoll"  wrote in news:o6Z5l.1093$z%.136
>@edtnps82:
>
>> Sure the Jews won the 67 war but this does not give them ownership 
>without 
>> international consent.
>
>
>They have international consent and have had it for 50 years. Do study 
>history before proving you are a knoll

They had the permission of an organization founded, and at that time
controlled, by the USA. What is so surprising about that?

>
>
>> Kurt Knoll.
>> 
>> "David Hartung"  wrote in message 
>> news:UomdnanyWPJyrMXUnZ2dnUVZ_oLinZ2d@giganews.com...
>>> Crash wrote:
>>>>  in alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,  On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 David Hartung
>>>> said about: Re: Israel continues to win hearts and minds. Way to go, 
>>>> again,
>>>> ZioScum
>>>>> You are aware that the West Bank and Gaza were taken by Israel in a 
>>>>> defensive war?
>>>>
>>>> Claims are like assholes.   So what.  Fact is, they are
>>>> not part of Israel.
>>>
>>> Check your history, who won the war in 1967. 
>> 
>> 
>> 


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On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 04:47:55 -0600, David Hartung 
wrote:

>Yosemite Sam wrote:
>> On Dec 29, 2:21 am, David Hartung  wrote:
>>> Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>> On Dec 28, 12:47 pm, David Hartung  wrote:
>>>>> Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>> On Dec 28, 11:15 am, David Hartung  wrote:
>>>>>>> Karl wrote:
>>>>>>>> "David Hartung"  wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> Palestinian terrorists deliberately locate their batteries and such in
>>>>>>>>> heavily populated areas, this makes it difficult, if not impossible
>>>>>>>>> for the Israelis to attack them without killing civilians.
>>>>>>>> You tell lies.
>>>>>>>> Israel uses Palestinian children as shields. Look at the video of them
>>>>>>>> entering Jenin some years back. They had Palestinian woman and children
>>>>>>>> being forced ahead of them with guns in their backs.
>>>>>>> I have been wrong before, and I could be again.
>>>>>>> Post the video.
>>>>>> I have seen the video and it was disgusting. Lot of videos
>>>>>> unflattering to Jews disappears.
>>>>> Sorry, that excuse doesn't wash.
>>>> Here it is and mark my words:
>>>> There is always a pay back for everything and Jews will have to pay
>>>> the piper for all the misery they caused and cause.
>>>> Try not to whine too much when it happens.
>>>> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18058725
>>>> Israeli troops used Palestinian as human shield
>>> Thank you.
>>>
>>> "There is always a pay back" you said. Have you stopped to consider that
>>> Israeli excesses just might be because the Israelis are tired of the
>>> constant attacks?-
>> 
>> Some examples of ZioScum aggression are the illegal occupation, the
>> illegal settlements, the illegal wall, the illegal blockade, the
>> illegal starving and systematic extermination of Palestinians. 
>
>Illegal according to whom?

Everything Israel has done since its founding is in violation of the
very regulations that the allied hypocrites put in place after 1945.



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On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 06:00:32 -0600, David Hartung 
wrote:

>Ben Cramer wrote:
>> 
>> "David Hartung"  wrote in message 
>> news:brWdnUu34oxLN8XUnZ2dnUVZ_tTinZ2d@giganews.com...
>>> Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>> On Dec 29, 2:21 am, David Hartung  wrote:
>>>>> Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>> On Dec 28, 12:47 pm, David Hartung  wrote:
>>>>>>> Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Dec 28, 11:15 am, David Hartung  wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Karl wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> "David Hartung"  wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>> Palestinian terrorists deliberately locate their batteries and 
>>>>>>>>>>> such in
>>>>>>>>>>> heavily populated areas, this makes it difficult, if not 
>>>>>>>>>>> impossible
>>>>>>>>>>> for the Israelis to attack them without killing civilians.
>>>>>>>>>> You tell lies.
>>>>>>>>>> Israel uses Palestinian children as shields. Look at the video 
>>>>>>>>>> of them
>>>>>>>>>> entering Jenin some years back. They had Palestinian woman and 
>>>>>>>>>> children
>>>>>>>>>> being forced ahead of them with guns in their backs.
>>>>>>>>> I have been wrong before, and I could be again.
>>>>>>>>> Post the video.
>>>>>>>> I have seen the video and it was disgusting. Lot of videos
>>>>>>>> unflattering to Jews disappears.
>>>>>>> Sorry, that excuse doesn't wash.
>>>>>> Here it is and mark my words:
>>>>>> There is always a pay back for everything and Jews will have to pay
>>>>>> the piper for all the misery they caused and cause.
>>>>>> Try not to whine too much when it happens.
>>>>>> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18058725
>>>>>> Israeli troops used Palestinian as human shield
>>>>> Thank you.
>>>>>
>>>>> "There is always a pay back" you said. Have you stopped to consider 
>>>>> that
>>>>> Israeli excesses just might be because the Israelis are tired of the
>>>>> constant attacks?-
>>>>
>>>> Some examples of ZioScum aggression are the illegal occupation, the
>>>> illegal settlements, the illegal wall, the illegal blockade, the
>>>> illegal starving and systematic extermination of Palestinians.
>>>
>>> Illegal according to whom?
>> 
>> The international community has declared the settlements to be illegal, 
>> as has the United Nations.
>
>I see.
>
>Israel took possession of the West bank and of Gaza during the 2967 war, 
>in which Egypt and Jordan were among the aggressors.
>
>It seems to me that Israel has earned both territories, 

Nobody can acquire territory by conquest. The West Bank and Gaza are
under Israeli occupation, and at no point were they annexed, an action
which would also have been illegal.




>and that the 
>international community has no business inserting itself into the equation.


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On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 20:04:19 +1000, "Ben Cramer"
 wrote:

>
>"Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message 
>news:0ipdl4t0ujpaohqegec5ofa26befosakkc@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 22:46:10 +0100, "albertus.magnus XLIV."
>>  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Graf Rotz von Juckemich"  wrote:
>>>
>>>shit
>>
>> You're just another murderous moron with the morals of a pit viper.
>
>It's the same individual as that "I'll always be here" thing.
>
>Ignore it and it will have nothing to respond to.
>
Thanks for the information. At this point I'm starting to think that
both of these demented "personalities" need to be added to a "mark as
read" filter.


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On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 04:43:37 +0000 (UTC), "I'll Always Be 28/12/08"
 wrote:

>Johannes von Ebersdorf  wrote in 
>news:6bcgl4p7u1g8gm1gvci36cqrd5fn5quplp@4ax.com:
>
>> On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 17:30:32 -0800 (PST), Michael Ejercito
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>>http://www.israpundit.com/2008/?p=6794
>>>
>>>Israel: Heed Air Marshal Sir Arthur Harris
>>>
>>>by Bill Levinson
>>>Now that Israel has FINALLY retaliated against Hamas for Hamas’
>>>ongoing litany of mindless violence and breaches of regional peace, it
>>>needs to heed the advice of the British air marshal who supervised the
>>>bombing campaigns of the Second World War. With regard to
>>>justification of the bombing campaign in the first place, just replace
>>>“Nazis” with “Palestinians” (easy enough) and the names of the Allied
>>>cities with those of the Israeli cities at which the Palestinians have
>>>fired rockets.
>>>
>>>
>>>      The Nazis entered this war under the rather childish delusion
>>>that they were going to bomb everyone else,
>> 
>> That is nonsense. It was the allies who owned the holocaust fleet, not
>> Germany. The allies had already planned mass civilian atrocities by
>> 1935 and built the type of aircraft needed for this type of
>> dishonourable work.
>
>
>Of course it was the nazis that bombed Guernica, so it doesn't really 
>matter who had what, but it does matter who does what.

Guernica was a Spanish military operation in which, unfortunately,
some civilians were killed. By contrast, in allied bombings, the
civilians were the actual target.

>
>
>> 
>>> and nobody was going to
>>>bomb them. At Rotterdam, London, Warsaw,
>> 
>> You have your timeline all wrong, ejaculito. Rotterdam was a defended
>> city as was Warsaw.
>
>
>Which has what to do with timelines?
>
> Both places had German armies on the ground in a
>> position to capture them, so the bombardments were quite legal. 
>
>That just isn't true. The germans were not anywhere near Warsaw when they 
>bombed it.
>
>
>From the very first hours of World War II, Warsaw, the capital of Poland, 
>was a target of an unrestricted aerial bombardment campaign by the German 
>Luftwaffe. Apart from the military facilities such as infantry barracks 
>and the Oke;cie airport and aircraft factory, the German pilots also 
>targeted civilian facilities such as water works, hospitals, market places 
>and schools. In addition, civilians were strafed from the air with machine 
>gun fire in what became known as a terror bombing campaign.
>
>
>The germans didn't reach Warsaw until Sept 8...so much for your grasp of 
>history
>
>
>
>
>
>About 1,150 bombing sorties by German aircraft were flown against Warsaw 
>on September 25, 1939, in an effort to terrorize the defenders into 
>surrendering. 500 tons of high explosive bombs and 72 tons of incendiary 
>bombs were dropped on the city.
>
>The Germans did not hesitate to bomb civilian targets and hospitals marked 
>with the Red Cross symbol. However, not all bombs found their intended 
>target as some bombers dropped their load in error on German troops in the 
>northwestern suburbs of the city.
>
>
>
>
>
>London
>> was only attacked after a series of terrorst attacks against Berlin.
>
>Sorry ebensdork, but you have your timeline wrong.
>
>During a raid on Thames Haven, on 24 August, some German aircraft (one 
>commanded by Rudolf Hallensleben who went on to win the Knights Cross for 
>other actions)[6] strayed over London and dropped bombs in the east and 
>northeast parts of the city, Bethnal Green, Hackney, Islington, Tottenham 
>and Finchley. This prompted the British to mount a retaliatory raid on 
>Berlin the next night with bombs falling in Kreuzberg and Wedding, causing 
>10 deaths. Hitler was said to be furious, and on 5 September, at the 
>urging of the Luftwaffe high command, he issued a directive "for 
>disruptive attacks on the population and air defences of major British 
>cities, including London, by day and night". The Luftwaffe began day and 
>night attacks on British cities, concentrating on London. This relieved 
>the pressure on the RAF's airfields.
>
>
>
>> 
>> Celebrating harris is like celebrating Eichmann. You're a complete
>> arsehole, ejaculito.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  and half a hundred other
>>>places, they put their rather naive theory into operation. They sowed
>>>the wind, and now they are going to reap the whirlwind.
>>>
>>>
>>>With regard to the advisability of using Israeli ground troops (who
>>>would suffer heavily in combat with guerrillas–house to house fighting
>>>is a combat soldier’s worst nightmare):
>>>
>>>      I do not personally regard the whole of the remaining cities of
>>>Germany as worth the bones of one British Grenadier.
>>>
>>>The whole of Gaza is similarly not worth the bones of one IDF soldier,
>>>if bombing the place into rubble will end the conflict without ground
>>>combat. Civilian casualties are admittedly regrettable, but they are
>>>the responsibility of the Hamas terrorists who hide among civilians
>>>(often with the civilians’ consent and encouragement, because they
>>>support Hamas’ agenda of terror). Harris had some good advice about
>>>this too:
>>>
>>>      The aim of the Combined Bomber Offensive…should be unambiguously
>>>stated [as] the destruction of German cities, the killing of German
>>>workers, and the disruption of civilized life throughout Germany.
>>>
>>>      It should be emphasized that the destruction of houses, public
>>>utilities, transport and lives, the creation of a refugee problem on
>>>an unprecedented scale, and the breakdown of morale both at home and
>>>at the battle fronts by fear of extended and intensified bombing, are
>>>accepted and intended aims of our bombing policy. They are not by-
>>>products of attempts to hit factories.
>>>
>>>A similar bombing campaign by the IAF should similarly traumatize the
>>>population of Gaza to such an extent that the dazed and vacant-eyed
>>>survivors will never again think of lifting a finger to Israel, or
>>>being caught in possession of so much as a model rocket (let alone a
>>>Katyusha). Even if some might still be inclined to commit violence,
>>>they will not have the means to commit it because they will be
>>>struggling to find enough to eat in the rubble.
>>>
>>>The above may sound harsh, but most normal people learn in
>>>kindergarten not to hit other people unless they want to be hit back.
>>>Most adults know that you don’t shoot at other people (even in the
>>>absence of police) unless you want them to shoot back at you. As
>>>stated by Harris, Nazi Germany did not understand this, or did not
>>>care, so England turned Dresden into a giant crematorium. Hamas
>>>clearly does not understand this either, so Israel is 100 percent
>>>justified in turning Gaza into a giant crematorium if that is what it
>>>takes to make the rockets and mortar shells stop.
>> 


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From: Johannes von Ebersdorf 
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Subject: Re: Israel continues to win hearts and minds. Way to go, again,  ZioScum
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On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 00:06:33 +1000, "Ben Cramer"
 wrote:

>
>"Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message 
>news:4lhhl4pkc31l0omer7utou9r5u2sq1k6ji@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 20:12:04 -0600, David Hartung 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Crash wrote:
>>>>  in alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,  On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 David Hartung
>>>> said about:
>>>>  Re: Israel continues to win hearts and minds. Way to go, again,
>>>> ZioScum
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> You are aware that the West Bank and Gaza were taken by Israel in a
>>>>> defensive war?
>>>>
>>>> Claims are like assholes.   So what.  Fact is, they are
>>>> not part of Israel.
>>>
>>>Check your history, who won the war in 1967.
>>
>> Who cares? Winning the 1967 war entitles Israel to nothing.
>
>This clod seems to think that war was started by Egypt and Jordan.
>
>He's not too clued up on history.
>
Mr. Hartung seems to be another Israel apologist.


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From: Johannes von Ebersdorf 
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Subject: Re: Israel continues to win hearts and minds. Way to go, again,  ZioScum
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On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 00:05:46 +1000, "Ben Cramer"
 wrote:

>
>"Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message 
>news:tshhl4dhtgtr9f6joano303mqhlsuopm5h@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 06:00:32 -0600, David Hartung 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Ben Cramer wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "David Hartung"  wrote in message
>>>> news:brWdnUu34oxLN8XUnZ2dnUVZ_tTinZ2d@giganews.com...
>>>>> Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>> On Dec 29, 2:21 am, David Hartung  wrote:
>>>>>>> Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Dec 28, 12:47 pm, David Hartung  wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 28, 11:15 am, David Hartung  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Karl wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> "David Hartung"  wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Palestinian terrorists deliberately locate their batteries and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> such in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> heavily populated areas, this makes it difficult, if not
>>>>>>>>>>>>> impossible
>>>>>>>>>>>>> for the Israelis to attack them without killing civilians.
>>>>>>>>>>>> You tell lies.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Israel uses Palestinian children as shields. Look at the video
>>>>>>>>>>>> of them
>>>>>>>>>>>> entering Jenin some years back. They had Palestinian woman and
>>>>>>>>>>>> children
>>>>>>>>>>>> being forced ahead of them with guns in their backs.
>>>>>>>>>>> I have been wrong before, and I could be again.
>>>>>>>>>>> Post the video.
>>>>>>>>>> I have seen the video and it was disgusting. Lot of videos
>>>>>>>>>> unflattering to Jews disappears.
>>>>>>>>> Sorry, that excuse doesn't wash.
>>>>>>>> Here it is and mark my words:
>>>>>>>> There is always a pay back for everything and Jews will have to pay
>>>>>>>> the piper for all the misery they caused and cause.
>>>>>>>> Try not to whine too much when it happens.
>>>>>>>> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18058725
>>>>>>>> Israeli troops used Palestinian as human shield
>>>>>>> Thank you.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "There is always a pay back" you said. Have you stopped to consider
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> Israeli excesses just might be because the Israelis are tired of the
>>>>>>> constant attacks?-
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Some examples of ZioScum aggression are the illegal occupation, the
>>>>>> illegal settlements, the illegal wall, the illegal blockade, the
>>>>>> illegal starving and systematic extermination of Palestinians.
>>>>>
>>>>> Illegal according to whom?
>>>>
>>>> The international community has declared the settlements to be illegal,
>>>> as has the United Nations.
>>>
>>>I see.
>>>
>>>Israel took possession of the West bank and of Gaza during the 2967 war,
>>>in which Egypt and Jordan were among the aggressors.
>>>
>>>It seems to me that Israel has earned both territories,
>>
>> Nobody can acquire territory by conquest. The West Bank and Gaza are
>> under Israeli occupation, and at no point were they annexed, an action
>> which would also have been illegal.
>
>The clown also stuffed up when he stated Egypt and Jordan started the 67 
>war. Ersatz israel started that all on her own.

Neo-Israel will eventually be presented with the bill for her crimes,
especially if times change and Israel is dropped by its patron, the
USA.

The original Israel was an historical flash-in-the-pan, and
neo-Israel's arrogant strutting on the world stage will be even
shorter.

>
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>and that the
>>>international community has no business inserting itself into the 
>>>equation. 


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Subject: Re: UK and Vatican Call for Cease Fire in Gaza
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On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 07:27:59 -0800 (PST), Michael Ejercito
 wrote:

>On Dec 28, 6:15 pm, Johannes von Ebersdorf 
>wrote:
>> On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 17:39:42 -0800 (PST),Michael Ejercito
>>
>>  wrote:
>> >http://www.israpundit.com/2008/?p=6837
>>
>> >UK and Vatican Call for Cease Fire in Gaza
>>
>> >by Bill Levinson
>>
>> >The United Kingdom has called for an “immediate halt” to violence in
>> >Gaza, while the Pope called upon “all sides” to end the violence.
>>
>> >We do not recall either Britain or the Vatican speaking up when Hamas
>> >was pouring rockets and mortar shells into Israel.
>>
>> Israel is an illegal settler-state and illegal occupier of somebody
>> else's country. The Israelis need to end their oppressive occupation
>> that makes German occupations in Europe during WW2 look postively
>> benign by comparison.
>   Assuming that Israel invades Gaza, how would the occupation be
>illegal?

Israel has imported its citizens into the occupied territories in
crass violation of international law. ALL the settlements are illegal,
as are the private roads, checkpoints, and other oppressive features
Israel has in place.

>
>
> Michael


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On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 22:50:57 -0800 (PST), z 
wrote:

>On Dec 29, 2:36 am, "Karl"  wrote:
>
>> The Jews are bringing all this on themselves by being brutal occupiers for
>> sixty years. Before that they are terrorists.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>if the jews were occupiers for sixty years, how did they invade and
>capture gaza in 1967? more antisemitic genius.

All of neo-Israel is stolen land, and the whole Zionist enterprise is
illegitimate.


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Subject: Re: Another fabricated Holocaust story exposed!
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On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 09:55:30 +1000, "Ben Cramer"
 wrote:

>
>"Joe Bruno"  wrote in message 
>news:9b9f997a-4b17-4f8b-8720-8b1b28fd3feb@w39g2000prb.googlegroups.com...
>On Dec 30, 2:26 pm, Yosarian  wrote:
>> Gord McFee wrote:
>> > On 12/29/2008 10:20 PM, Ben Cramer wrote:
>>
>> >> "Gord McFee"  wrote in message
>> >>news:n93jl4tun1r7fhtg4eqg9pnrb6e7dbvqkv@4ax.com...
>> >>> On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 19:23:10 +1000, in
>> >>> , "Ben Cramer"
>> >>>  wrote:
>>
>> >>>> "Joe Bruno"  wrote in message
>> >>>>news:2584c422-3c12-4e85-ba3b-ee20cd81ed95@e1g2000pra.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> >>>> On Dec 28, 9:08 pm, "Heinrich"  wrote:
>> >>>>> "NEW YORK - It's the latest story that touched, and betrayed,
>> >>>>> the world.
>>
>> >>>>> "Herman Rosenblat and his wife are the most gentle, loving,
>> >>>>> beautiful people," literary agent Andrea Hurst said Sunday,
>> >>>>> anguishing over why she, and so many others, were taken by
>> >>>>> Rosenblat's story of love born on opposite sides of a
>> >>>>> barbed-wire fence at a concentration camp.
>>
>> >>>>> "I question why I never questioned it. I believed it; it was an
>> >>>>> incredible, hope-filled story."
>>
>> >>>>> On Saturday, Berkley Books canceled Rosenblat's memoir, "Angel
>> >>>>> at the Fence." Rosenblat acknowledged that he and his wife did
>> >>>>> not meet, as they had said for years, at a sub-camp of
>> >>>>> Buchenwald, where she allegedly sneaked him apples and bread.
>> >>>>> The book was supposed to come out in February."
>>
>> >>>>>http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081228/...caust_memoir_9And this
>> >>>>> proves what? Tell, me:If an American GI was caught exagerrating
>> >>>>> his deeds in WWII, does that prove that WWII never happened?
>> >>>> It proves the yid version of history is based on b'ullshit,
>> >>>> b'luto.
>>
>> >>> No it doesn't. It proves that this one individual was a liar.
>>
>> >> As have most of the authors of their nonsensical memoirs.
>>
>> > No they haven't. Why do you lie so transparently?
>>
>> >>> If I recall correctly, he was in Buchenwald, which was not a death
>> >>> camp in any event.
>>
>> >> And just what has that to do with the price of eggs ferchrissake?
>>
>> > Ben's ignorance of the Holocaust is shown to all the world.
>>
>> Not to mention the price of eggs, what ever that has to do with the
>> Holocaust I have no idea.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>>That's one of Cramer's favorite tricks. When someone says something he
>>doesn't agree with, he pretends he doesn't understand it..
>
>You've missed the yid trick, b'luto. It's called deflection, distortion and 
>camouflage. You've ALL decided to ignore the fact this author LIED. That is 
>the central issue. The rest of the crap you and your lot have introduced is 
>nothing more than diversionary tactics to take the topic of conversation 
>away from the very awkward and inconvenient truth.

You should be pretty familiar with that tactic by now, since I have
seen it used countless times in this newsgroup every time questions
arise to which there is no pre-packaged nizkor answer.

>
>Be off with you now. You've egg to wipe from your gormy old phiz.
>


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On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 10:42:02 +1000, "Ben Cramer"
 wrote:

>
>"Joe Bruno"  wrote in message 
>news:5ebf4102-06b5-4c7a-bb6b-e0d4c2797b9a@v39g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
>On Dec 29, 1:23 am, "Ben Cramer"  wrote:
>> "Joe Bruno"  wrote in message
>>
>> news:2584c422-3c12-4e85-ba3b-ee20cd81ed95@e1g2000pra.googlegroups.com...
>> On Dec 28, 9:08 pm, "Heinrich"  wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > "NEW YORK - It's the latest story that touched, and betrayed, the world.
>>
>> > "Herman Rosenblat and his wife are the most gentle, loving, beautiful
>> > people," literary agent Andrea Hurst said Sunday, anguishing over why 
>> > she,
>> > and so many others, were taken by Rosenblat's story of love born on
>> > opposite
>> > sides of a barbed-wire fence at a concentration camp.
>>
>> > "I question why I never questioned it. I believed it; it was an
>> > incredible,
>> > hope-filled story."
>>
>> > On Saturday, Berkley Books canceled Rosenblat's memoir, "Angel at the
>> > Fence." Rosenblat acknowledged that he and his wife did not meet, as 
>> > they
>> > had said for years, at a sub-camp of Buchenwald, where she allegedly
>> > sneaked
>> > him apples and bread. The book was supposed to come out in February."
>>
>> >http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081228/...caust_memoir_9
>> >And this proves what? Tell, me:If an American GI was caught
>> >exagerrating his deeds in WWII, does that prove that WWII never
>> >happened?
>>
>> It proves the yid version of history is based on b'ullshit, b'luto. 
>> Stories
>> like this and many, many more have been used as education tools for 
>> decades.
>> Unfortunately it's against the law in most European nations to question 
>> the
>> veracity of this rubbish.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>>ROTFL!The Holocaust evidence consists of more than just verbal
>>testimony.
>>There are oodles of documents, most of them written by the Nazis
>>themselves.

Sorry for intruding here, Ben, but I couldn't let this pass without
comment. Most of the Nuremberg "documents" are of doubtful
authenticity. Practically all of them are copies of a copy of a copy,
and the originals are generally nowhere to be found.

>
>None of which have ever been forensically tested for authenticity, b'luto.
>
>Remember the charter for the Nuremberg "Trials" which, in part said "normal 
>rules of evidence will not apply?"
>
>>See www.nizkor.org
>>Or the Avalon Project.
>
>Oh, I've seen them, b'luto.
>
>>It's illegal in some European countries to publicly deny the
>>Holocaust.
>>Questioning it is done all the time.
>
>Questioning is akin to denial according to the hebes.
>
>It is all but impossible to defend yourself in European courts against a 
>charge of denial because the defence counsel would also be guilty of crimes 
>in defending you.
>
>The Holocaust(tm) is the greatest confidence trick and extortion racket ever 
>foist upon mankind and all supported by the mother of all protection 
>rackets.
>
>
>


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On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 21:40:06 +0000 (UTC), someone-who-knows
 wrote:

>In article <6bcgl4p7u1g8gm1gvci36cqrd5fn5quplp@4ax.com>,
>Johannes von Ebersdorf   wrote:
>
>> You have your timeline all wrong, ejaculito. Rotterdam was a defended
>> city as was Warsaw. Both places had German armies on the ground in a
>> position to capture them, so the bombardments were quite legal. 
>
>So why isn't the bombing in Gaza legal?  And say,  no one was
>firing rockets from Rotterdam into Germany,  were they?

Gaza is terror bombing simply to produce civilian casualties as some
sort of perverse Israeli notion of collective punishment for electing
people the Israelis don't like.

Rotterdam, by contrast, was a military operation on the ground with a
German army in position to capture the city. Unfortunately, there were
civilian casualties, but unlike Gaza they were not the target.


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On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 11:25:02 -0800 (PST), george 
wrote:

>On Dec 30, 6:59 pm, "Heinrich"  wrote:
>  Israel itself chose
>> to wage its wars to eliminate the indigenous people of Palestine
>
>You'd imagine that some-one so knowledgeable would know that the
>current 'Palestinian'  population are not native to the area.

No indeed, most of the current population of Israel consists of
Russian and Polish Jews who are most certainly not indigenous to the
area.


>If Israel wanted to be rid of the 'Palestinian' occupants of Gaza she
>should follow the Palis mantra and push those people into the sea..
>Why don't they ?
>Because the Israeli are the only civilised people in the area


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On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 19:58:07 +0000 (UTC), "I'll Always Be 30/12/08"
 wrote:

>"Kurt Knoll"  wrote in news:K_m6l.125$Db2.8@edtnps83:
>
>> What do you expect the palis to do. It was the Jews who stole their
>> land. Kurt Knoll.
>
>
>The Jews should do it to germany...the germans stole the Jews land, money 
>and wealth

Germany belongs to Germans, not to jews. Germans and Germany owe
absolutely nothing to jews, most of whom came from Poland as penniless
beggars after WW1. The jews became wealthy because of the confusion
and chaos following WW1.


>
>
>
>
>> 
>> "PB1952"  wrote in message 
>> news:gjcrfi$4do$1@news.motzarella.org...
>>> "Heinrich"  wrote in message 
>>> news:6rtrptF3994gU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>> Horror, fear, hysteria, weeping , involuntary urinating, fever and
>>>> trauma affect the children of Gaza due to the death of their friends,
>>>> parents, relatives and seeing the blood covering the streets and the
>>>> ruins of the destroyed houses. Trauma spreads across the children of
>>>> Gaza due to the increased number of funerals in the streets, and the
>>>> loud noise of the Israeli F16s flying over their heads, bombing
>>>> everything around them. 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I suggest you do some research into suffering of the residents of
>>> Sderot. They suffer similarly, but then they are Jews so you don't give
>>> a s**t. 
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> PB1952@gmail.com
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 


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On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 10:50:30 GMT, "Kurt Knoll" 
wrote:

>Jews are allowed to this things like  no one else is allowed to do the same 
>thing.

There is the old German saying to the effect that when two do the same
thing it somehow isn't the same.

The Israelis are cynical hypocrites.

>kk
>
>"Heinrich"  wrote in message 
>news:6ruagfF3d7nnU1@mid.individual.net...
>>
>> "PB1952"  schreef in bericht 
>> news:gjcrfi$4do$1@news.motzarella.org...
>>> "Heinrich"  wrote in message 
>>> news:6rtrptF3994gU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>> Horror, fear, hysteria, weeping , involuntary urinating, fever and 
>>>> trauma affect the children of Gaza due to the death of their friends, 
>>>> parents, relatives and seeing the blood covering the streets and the 
>>>> ruins of the destroyed houses. Trauma spreads across the children of 
>>>> Gaza due to the increased number of funerals in the streets, and the 
>>>> loud noise of the Israeli F16s flying over their heads, bombing 
>>>> everything around them.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I suggest you do some research into suffering of the residents of Sderot. 
>>> They suffer similarly, but then they are Jews so you don't give a s**t.
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> PB1952@gmail.com
>>>
>> what about sederot a couple of rockets fired at them who do not hit 
>> anything ? that cannot be compaired to what the cruel jews are doing in 
>> gaza. it is another attemptto blow up the complete infra structure of gaza 
>> and in fact it has some resemblance with the ghetto of warsaw 
>


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On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 22:14:42 +0200, "Toivo Kottarainen"
 wrote:

>This is strange. You are talking about the trees instead of the forest.
>
>You are talking about the bricks of the walls of Aushcwitz concentarion camp 
>as if its relevance or meaning were in those stones. It was there and it is 
>there. Its purpose was to kill jews and soviet prisoners of war and other 
>unwanted people by heavy work, malnutrition and, indeed by gassing with 
>cyanide. This is very well witnessed by survivors and the participants not 
>to mention the head of the camp, Höss. You can deny bricks with this 
>questinniable Leuchter report, but You cannot deny millions of bricks that 
>represent all those people that died there.

The camp records say that approximately 78,000 people died at
Auschwitz. I take them as authoritative unless there is really
compelling evidence to show that the camp personnel kept fraudulent
records.

>
>Topi
>


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On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 23:52:41 +0000 (UTC), "I'll Always Be 31/12/08"
 wrote:

>Zulu  wrote in news:1faa8650-0b04-4ac0-97d6-
>80a37b6e21ff@o40g2000prn.googlegroups.com:
>
>> On 28 dic 2008, 21:11, "I'll Always Be 28/12/08"
>>  wrote:
>>> Zulu  wrote innews:gj8fmo$m3s$2@news.motzarella.org:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> > I'll Always Be 27/12/08 escribió:
>>> >> Zulu  wrote innews:gj6lil$pae$5@news.motzarella.org:
>>>
>>> >>> I'll Always Be 27/12/08 escribió:
>>> >>>> Zulu  wrote innews:gj6l7e$pae$2
>@news.motzarella.org:
>>>
>>> >>>>> Tim Miller escribió:
>>> >>>>>> Zulu wrote:
>>>
>>> >>>>>>> Explain us how the fact that Leuchter was not an engineer 
>reflect
>> s
>>> >>>>>>> on his work about "gas chambers" topic?
>>> >>>>>> Because he was a lying sack of shit, and didn't understand what
>>> >>>>>> he was talking about?
>>> >>>>> Some FACTUAL Example?
>>>
>>> >>>> He lied about being an engineer
>>> >>> I talk about his work on "gas chamber" topic, idiot.
>>>
>>> >> He didn't know that it takes less zyklon to kill a human than 
>insects.
>>>
>>> > But, according with holoks they used similar dosis...
>>>
>>> That is not true.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> > Just to waste more Zyclon than necessary for the fun?
>>>
>>> Or to speed up the death process?
>> 
>> NOPE. To speed the process, heating Zyclon B pellets was the best.
>> But, as we know, SS was idiots and they preferred to spend overdoses
>> of ZB and expect that "body heat or breathing" would make better the
>> job. Then, after each "gassing operation"· they thew away ZB pellets
>> with atleast 50% HCN remaining in for the fun.
>
>
>Why did they throw away perfectly useable pellets? Those nazi thugs were 
>getting kickbacks from the manufacturer of zyklon

That is most doubtful. We're not talking about the corrupt USA here.

>
>
>> That hoax sucks...
>> 
>
>So does your DOGMA


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On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 23:55:08 +0000 (UTC), "I'll Always Be 31/12/08"
 wrote:

>Zulu  wrote in news:13d61f3c-0650-4b9f-a643-
>d526aa7fde59@l33g2000pri.googlegroups.com:
>
>> On 29 dic 2008, 23:05, "I'll Always Be 29/12/08"
>>  wrote:
>>> Zulu  wrote innews:gjbhc4$n21$1@news.motzarella.org:
>>>
>> 
>>> > Explain why those SS were so idiot.
>>>
>>> Because the SS was a thugocracy and the motivators were personal hate 
>and
>>> greed
>> 
>> That does not explain why they wasted half or even more on supposed
>> "gassing operations" the quantity of Zyclon B allowed per day for
>> delousing.
>> 
>> Something hard tom explain.
>
>
>Not at all. The fact that you insist the thugs should do something the 
>difficult way is your problem. The fact that any waste occurred has never 
>been proven. The fact that the nazi thugs were undoubtedly getting 
>kickbacks from the makers/sellers of zyklon explains it all

You are unlikely to be able to show any evidence for your alegation,
let alone proof. Zyklon B was an insecticide. It is highly unlikely
that anybody got "kickbacks" for anything. Kickbacks are largely an
American phenomenon.

>
>
>> 


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On Thu, 01 Jan 2009 08:07:22 GMT, "Kurt Knoll" 
wrote:

>Are you sure Mauthausen did have a train station ?. They also say the 
>prisoners did get killed just as soon the did arrive in the camp by train. I 
>would be interested how they did manage to taht when there was no railing 
>into the camp.

Why even bother to transport them in the first place? The stories
simply make no sense.

>
>Kurt Knoll
>"I'll Always Be 31/12/08"  wrote in message 
>news:Xns9B85C1A61826DTheonlyonethatcares@87.106.137.111...
>> "Kurt Knoll"  wrote in
>> news:t7S6l.893$PH1.578@edtnps82:
>>
>>>
>>> "I'll Always Be 31/12/08"  wrote in message
>>> news:Xns9B858316A5306Theonlyonethatcares@87.106.137.111...
>>>> "Kurt Knoll"  wrote in news:m5Q6l.811$PH1.386
>>>> @edtnps82:
>>>>
>>>>> Hey Gord how many Jews fit into a German gas wagon.
>>>>
>>>> Why are you changing the subject?
>>> Because I am curious.
>>
>> No, you are Jewish, therefore you are a liar.
>>
>>
>> From mauhausen to Gussen is only 7 kilometres. The
>>> stories has the transported prisoner from mauthause to gusen and killed
>>> them in gas wagon.
>>
>>
>> Actually, you said they were killed at the train station, why are you
>> changing what you said?
>>
>> In return trip they did transport prisoner from gusen
>>> to mauthausen and gassed them to death.
>>
>>
>> But you've just said they had already killed them, why are you changing
>> your story?
>>
>>
>> Sometimes whe they found
>>> prisoner being death, Then thy dumped into the nearest ditch. This are
>>> stories from your brethrens believe it or not.
>>
>> Prove it
>>
>>
>>
>>> Kurt Knoll.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Kurt Knoll.
>>>>>
>>>>> "Gord McFee"  wrote in message
>>>>> news:bxP6l.46415$se4.42040@en-nntp-03.dc1.easynews.com...
>>>>>> On 12/30/2008 6:39 PM, Ben Cramer wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Eugene Holman"  wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:holman-3012082049530001@ke-hupnet233-25.hupnet.helsinki.fi...
>>>>>>>> In article <_-idnZXaue16lcfUnZ2dnUVZ_ovinZ2d@giganews.com>, "Ben
>>>>>>>> Cramer"  wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Kurt Knoll"  wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:ebn6l.127$Db2.96@edtnps83...
>>>>>>>>>> Wrong again. He did send the sample to an America laboratory
>>>>>>>>>> not telling them were they cam from. Lying is a Jewish
>>>>>>>>>> specially no on can compete with it.
>>>>>>>>> What I find totally amazing is that the jewish chemist, Roth,
>>>>>>>>> admitted that had he known where the samples came from, he would
>>>>>>>>> have arrived at a different conclusion.
>>>>>>>> What's so strange about that? Leuchter gave him bulk samples and
>>>>>>>> said that hey were from an industrial accident involving cyanide.
>>>>>>>> If Leuchter had simply said that the samples were gauged out of a
>>>>>>>> wall, the surface of which had allegedly been exposed to cyanide,
>>>>>>>> Roth would have constriucted a different analytical procedure and
>>>>>>>> come to a different result.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Oh dear. Apologia gone made.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh dear, Cramer puts foot in mouth again.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The chemist was given samples and asked to ascertain what, if any,
>>>>>>> the levels of cyanide were contained within. That is all he needed
>>>>>>> to know.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nope.  He needed to know how they were obtained, as has been
>>>>>> explained dozens of times.  The fact that your knowledge of chemistry
>>>>>> is as bad
>>>> as
>>>>>> Leuchter's does not change the facts.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [Blather deleted]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>> Gord McFee
>>>>>> I'll write no line before its time
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Visit the Holocaust History Project
>>>>>> http://www.holocaust-history.org
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> 
>


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On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 09:42:11 +0000 (UTC), "I'll Always Be 01/01/09"
 wrote:

>"Kurt Knoll"  wrote in
>news:_Q_6l.610$Db2.417@edtnps83: 
>
>> Are you sure Mauthausen did have a train station ?.
>
>Yes, and an international airport

This is an example of the inaccuracy of your babble.

>
>
> They also say the 
>> prisoners did get killed just as soon the did arrive in the camp by
>> train. 
>
>
>Yes, that's what you have said.
>
>
>I would be interested how they did manage to taht when there was
>> no railing into the camp.
>
>
>What happened to the gas vans you mentioned?
>
>
>> 
>> Kurt Knoll
>> "I'll Always Be 31/12/08"  wrote in message
>> news:Xns9B85C1A61826DTheonlyonethatcares@87.106.137.111...
>>> "Kurt Knoll"  wrote in
>>> news:t7S6l.893$PH1.578@edtnps82:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "I'll Always Be 31/12/08"  wrote in
>>>> message news:Xns9B858316A5306Theonlyonethatcares@87.106.137.111...
>>>>> "Kurt Knoll"  wrote in news:m5Q6l.811$PH1.386
>>>>> @edtnps82:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hey Gord how many Jews fit into a German gas wagon.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why are you changing the subject?
>>>> Because I am curious.
>>>
>>> No, you are Jewish, therefore you are a liar.
>>>
>>>
>>> From mauhausen to Gussen is only 7 kilometres. The
>>>> stories has the transported prisoner from mauthause to gusen and
>>>> killed them in gas wagon.
>>>
>>>
>>> Actually, you said they were killed at the train station, why are you
>>> changing what you said?
>>>
>>> In return trip they did transport prisoner from gusen
>>>> to mauthausen and gassed them to death.
>>>
>>>
>>> But you've just said they had already killed them, why are you changing
>>> your story?
>>>
>>>
>>> Sometimes whe they found
>>>> prisoner being death, Then thy dumped into the nearest ditch. This are
>>>> stories from your brethrens believe it or not.
>>>
>>> Prove it
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Kurt Knoll.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Kurt Knoll.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Gord McFee"  wrote in message
>>>>>> news:bxP6l.46415$se4.42040@en-nntp-03.dc1.easynews.com...
>>>>>>> On 12/30/2008 6:39 PM, Ben Cramer wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Eugene Holman"  wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:holman-3012082049530001@ke-hupnet233-25.hupnet.helsinki.fi...
>>>>>>>>> In article <_-idnZXaue16lcfUnZ2dnUVZ_ovinZ2d@giganews.com>, "Ben
>>>>>>>>> Cramer"  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Kurt Knoll"  wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> news:ebn6l.127$Db2.96@edtnps83...
>>>>>>>>>>> Wrong again. He did send the sample to an America laboratory
>>>>>>>>>>> not telling them were they cam from. Lying is a Jewish
>>>>>>>>>>> specially no on can compete with it.
>>>>>>>>>> What I find totally amazing is that the jewish chemist, Roth,
>>>>>>>>>> admitted that had he known where the samples came from, he would
>>>>>>>>>> have arrived at a different conclusion.
>>>>>>>>> What's so strange about that? Leuchter gave him bulk samples and
>>>>>>>>> said that hey were from an industrial accident involving cyanide.
>>>>>>>>> If Leuchter had simply said that the samples were gauged out of a
>>>>>>>>> wall, the surface of which had allegedly been exposed to cyanide,
>>>>>>>>> Roth would have constriucted a different analytical procedure and
>>>>>>>>> come to a different result.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Oh dear. Apologia gone made.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Oh dear, Cramer puts foot in mouth again.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The chemist was given samples and asked to ascertain what, if any,
>>>>>>>> the levels of cyanide were contained within. That is all he needed
>>>>>>>> to know.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nope.  He needed to know how they were obtained, as has been
>>>>>>> explained dozens of times.  The fact that your knowledge of
>>>>>>> chemistry is as bad
>>>>> as
>>>>>>> Leuchter's does not change the facts.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [Blather deleted]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>> Gord McFee
>>>>>>> I'll write no line before its time
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Visit the Holocaust History Project
>>>>>>> http://www.holocaust-history.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 


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On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 17:41:29 -0600, Roger  wrote:

>In one age, called the Second Age by some,
>   (an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
>      someone claiming to be Johannes von Ebersdorf wrote
>         in message : 
>
>>Gaza is terror bombing simply to produce civilian casualties as some
>>sort of perverse Israeli notion of collective punishment for electing
>>people the Israelis don't like.
>
>Which, of course, is why the bombing started immediately after the
>elections.

Perhaps the Canadian news outlets are wrong, but they were talking
about an upcoming election.

>
>No, wait....
>** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **


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On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 04:38:13 +0000 (UTC), "I'll Always Be 30/12/08"
 wrote:

>Johannes von Ebersdorf  wrote in 
>news:lgpll4d773r00s2vthoitbls42shmg7uoi@4ax.com:
>
>
>And here I thought you had plonked me, mr cramer.
>
>
>
>> On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 19:58:07 +0000 (UTC), "I'll Always Be 30/12/08"
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>>"Kurt Knoll"  wrote in news:K_m6l.125$Db2.8
>@edtnps83:
>>>
>>>> What do you expect the palis to do. It was the Jews who stole their
>>>> land. Kurt Knoll.
>>>
>>>
>>>The Jews should do it to germany...the germans stole the Jews land, 
>money 
>>>and wealth
>> 
>> Germany belongs to Germans, not to jews. Germans and Germany owe
>> absolutely nothing to jews, most of whom came from Poland as penniless
>> beggars after WW1.
>
>
>The germans stole and destroyed Jewish buildings, businesses, money and 
>lives...all of which belonged to the Jews. 

The jews were parasites in Germany, and what wealth they had was
obtained by theft or fraud.

>The germans were thugs and it 
>is only fitting that they be treated for what they did the way KK 
>suggests.

LOL, your ranting is becoming out and out funny.

>
>
> The jews became wealthy because of the confusion
>> and chaos following WW1.
>
>
>So once again, you are admitting the christians are inept and 
>incompetent...after all the confusion was there for everyone, but the Jews 
>managed to somehow not be as confused as the christians.

This has nothing to do with Christians. The jews in Germany were alien
carpet-baggers who arrived to fill their pockets at the expense of
people who were temporarily not in a position to stop them. The
depredations of the jews were another side-effect of Versailles.

>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>> 
>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> 
>>>> "PB1952"  wrote in message 
>>>> news:gjcrfi$4do$1@news.motzarella.org...
>>>>> "Heinrich"  wrote in message 
>>>>> news:6rtrptF3994gU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>> Horror, fear, hysteria, weeping , involuntary urinating, fever and
>>>>>> trauma affect the children of Gaza due to the death of their 
>friends,
>>>>>> parents, relatives and seeing the blood covering the streets and the
>>>>>> ruins of the destroyed houses. Trauma spreads across the children of
>>>>>> Gaza due to the increased number of funerals in the streets, and the
>>>>>> loud noise of the Israeli F16s flying over their heads, bombing
>>>>>> everything around them. 
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I suggest you do some research into suffering of the residents of
>>>>> Sderot. They suffer similarly, but then they are Jews so you don't 
>give
>>>>> a s**t. 
>>>>>
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> PB1952@gmail.com
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>> 


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On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 22:08:00 -0800 (PST), mirjam@actcom.co.il wrote:

>On Dec 31, 5:31 am, Johannes von Ebersdorf 
>wrote:
>> On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 19:58:07 +0000 (UTC), "I'll Always Be 30/12/08"
>>
>>  wrote:
>> >"Kurt Knoll"  wrote innews:K_m6l.125$Db2.8@edtnps83:
>>
>> >> What do you expect the palis to do. It was the Jews who stole their
>> >> land. Kurt Knoll.
>>
>> >The Jews should do it to germany...the germans stole the Jews land, money
>> >and wealth
>>
>> Germany belongs to Germans, not to jews. Germans and Germany owe
>> absolutely nothing to jews, most of whom came from Poland as penniless
>> beggars after WW1. The jews became wealthy because of the confusion
>> and chaos following WW1.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >> "PB1952"  wrote in message
>> >>news:gjcrfi$4do$1@news.motzarella.org...
>> >>> "Heinrich"  wrote in message
>> >>>news:6rtrptF3994gU1@mid.individual.net...
>> >>>> Horror, fear, hysteria, weeping , involuntary urinating, fever and
>> >>>> trauma affect the children of Gaza due to the death of their friends,
>> >>>> parents, relatives and seeing the blood covering the streets and the
>> >>>> ruins of the destroyed houses. Trauma spreads across the children of
>> >>>> Gaza due to the increased number of funerals in the streets, and the
>> >>>> loud noise of the Israeli F16s flying over their heads, bombing
>> >>>> everything around them.
>>
>> >>> I suggest you do some research into suffering of the residents of
>> >>> Sderot. They suffer similarly, but then they are Jews so you don't give
>> >>> a s**t.
>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> PB1...@gmail.com- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>In the fall of 1743 , a 14 year old boy entered Berlin at the
>Rosenthaler Tor, the only gate in the city wall through which Jews
>[and cattle] were allowed to pass, the boy came from Dessau, this boy
>would later grow to be the philosopher Moses Mendelssohn.

Prussia was much more tolerant of differences, especially with respect
to religion, than were many other European jurisdictions at the time.
The specific scenario is probably true, but the intent of the story is
distortion and deception.

>mirjam


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On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 02:20:35 -0600, Yosarian 
wrote:

>Ben Cramer wrote:
>> 
>> "Yosarian"  wrote in message 
>> news:Uvz6l.7893$8_3.4968@flpi147.ffdc.sbc.com...
>>> Ben Cramer wrote:
>>> [deletia]
>>>> Why do you never go back to the root cause, mister professional jew, 
>>>> to wit, the swiping of Palestine by the Zionista.
>>>
>>>
>>> Wrong again. Current facts on the ground are what concerns that little 
>>> girl.
>> 
>> Oh dear. The poor little professional yid is ignoring the root cause of 
>> this conflict.
>> 
>> 
>No, Hamas is the root cause

That is nonsense. Zionism is the root cause of all the problems in the
Middle East over the last century or so.



> and will soon have its ranks depleted


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On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 02:24:12 -0600, Yosarian 
wrote:

>Ben Cramer wrote:
>> 
>> "Yosarian"  wrote in message 
>> news:Ltz6l.7891$8_3.4089@flpi147.ffdc.sbc.com...
>>> Ben Cramer wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "Yosarian"  wrote in message 
>>>> news:uiq6l.15863$ZP4.14618@nlpi067.nbdc.sbc.com...
>>>>> IsraelNN.com) A young Arab girl whose family members were killed 
>>>>> Sunday in Gaza says in a TV interview, "I say Hamas is the cause of 
>>>>> all wars."
>>>>>
>>>>> In a Dec. 29 Al-Aqsa TV interview, the girl told of how she woke in 
>>>>> the morning and part of her room had collapsed:
>>>>>
>>>>> Gaza Girl Blames Hamas for War
>>>>
>>>> Good. That makes it all kosher then.
>>>
>>> Not what I said, but when has that ever stopped you from putting words 
>>> into my post, like never, dude.
>> 
>> You certainly seemed to be of that opinion, mister professional jew.
>
>Hard to admit you are wrong isn't it Mr. Cramer.

He doesn't admit to being wrong because he isn't wrong.

>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Keep on with the murdering, Israel. You've just been given carte 
>>>> blanche to do so by a little Arab girl.
>>>
>>> No, I honestly don't believe she gave any, "carte blanche". I do think 
>>> that she knows like many other Arabs who live under the Hamas rule of 
>>> law that they have gotten what Hamas wanted. A nice photo op of dead 
>>> civilians, and for this all Hamas had to do was continually lob 
>>> missles into Israel, till Israel got fed up and decided to do 
>>> something about it. So you see, the child knows who the murderers are, 
>>> they are her own people, her leaders.
>> 
>> I rest my case.
>
>I guess such a devestating response does require you to rest, tah old guy,
>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Tally ho.
>>>
>>>
>>> Good bye
>> 
>> Ta ta.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>Follow ups deleted to deny Mr. Cramer what he wants, and audience.


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On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 18:29:05 -0500, "Patrick Keenan" 
wrote:

>
>"Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message 
>news:qmhql41drnps4f1of5kj83tebokjmclbj9@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 22:14:42 +0200, "Toivo Kottarainen"
>>  wrote:
>>
>>>This is strange. You are talking about the trees instead of the forest.
>>>
>>>You are talking about the bricks of the walls of Aushcwitz concentarion 
>>>camp
>>>as if its relevance or meaning were in those stones. It was there and it 
>>>is
>>>there. Its purpose was to kill jews and soviet prisoners of war and other
>>>unwanted people by heavy work, malnutrition and, indeed by gassing with
>>>cyanide. This is very well witnessed by survivors and the participants not
>>>to mention the head of the camp, Höss. You can deny bricks with this
>>>questinniable Leuchter report, but You cannot deny millions of bricks that
>>>represent all those people that died there.
>>
>> The camp records say that approximately 78,000 people died at
>> Auschwitz.
>
>Yes, and those record *some* of those who died there.

If THAT were the case, then it wouldn't make any sense to keep ANY
records at all. This stuff was never intended to fall into allied
hands, so why would anybody keep deliberately incomplete or falsified
records for themselves?

Accurate record-keeping has been a kind of religion for German
governments for centuries. What you are suggesting is well beyond the
pale of probability.

>
>>  I take them as authoritative unless there is really
>> compelling evidence to show that the camp personnel kept fraudulent
>> records.
>
>The records that you refer to are partial.
>
>The issue is not that those records are fraudulent, it is that they are not 
>complete.
>
>What *is* fraudulent is the attempt to claim that those records are an 
>accurate representation of those killed at the Auschwitz complex.
>
>In addition, many of those killed were never registered at the camp at all; 
>they were shipped there and immediately killed.   The records that pertain 
>to those people are the *transport* records.
>
> -pk
>
>
>
>>>
>>>Topi
>>> 
>


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On Thu, 01 Jan 2009 20:32:27 -0500, Gord McFee 
wrote:

>On 1/1/2009 7:35 PM, B.H. Cramer wrote:
>
>> "Patrick Keenan"  wrote in message 
>> news:FbOdnQUSxpVszMDUnZ2dnUVZ_oPinZ2d@supernews.com...
>>> "Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message 
>>> news:qmhql41drnps4f1of5kj83tebokjmclbj9@4ax.com...
>>>> On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 22:14:42 +0200, "Toivo Kottarainen" 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> This is strange. You are talking about the trees instead of the
>>>>> forest.
>>>>> 
>>>>> You are talking about the bricks of the walls of Aushcwitz
>>>>> concentarion camp as if its relevance or meaning were in those
>>>>> stones. It was there and it is there. Its purpose was to kill
>>>>> jews and soviet prisoners of war and other unwanted people by
>>>>> heavy work, malnutrition and, indeed by gassing with cyanide.
>>>>> This is very well witnessed by survivors and the participants 
>>>>> not to mention the head of the camp, Höss. You can deny bricks
>>>>> with this questinniable Leuchter report, but You cannot deny
>>>>> millions of bricks that represent all those people that died
>>>>> there.
>>>> The camp records say that approximately 78,000 people died at 
>>>> Auschwitz.
>>> Yes, and those record *some* of those who died there.
>> 
>> That's right. The other million or so (or whatever number the
>> industry has declared now) were offed as they stepped from the
>> trains.
>> 
>> So much for German efficiency and their anal record keeping
>> fixations.
>
>Quite efficient actually.  Kill them and don't waste paper keeping
>statistics, since they already existed anyway.

If what you say were true, they wouldn't have kept any records at all.
Partial records are a waste of the effort needed to keep them.



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On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 22:57:13 +0000 (UTC), "I'll Always Be 01/01/09"
 wrote:

>Johannes von Ebersdorf  wrote in 
>news:ithql41bs4nu8v1dff5bgm8pql23nr67b2@4ax.com:
>
>> On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 23:52:41 +0000 (UTC), "I'll Always Be 31/12/08"
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>>Zulu  wrote in news:1faa8650-0b04-4ac0-97d6-
>>>80a37b6e21ff@o40g2000prn.googlegroups.com:
>>>
>>>> On 28 dic 2008, 21:11, "I'll Always Be 28/12/08"
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> Zulu  wrote innews:gj8fmo$m3s$2@news.motzarella.org:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> > I'll Always Be 27/12/08 escribió:
>>>>> >> Zulu  wrote innews:gj6lil$pae$5
>@news.motzarella.org:
>>>>>
>>>>> >>> I'll Always Be 27/12/08 escribió:
>>>>> >>>> Zulu  wrote innews:gj6l7e$pae$2
>>>@news.motzarella.org:
>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Tim Miller escribió:
>>>>> >>>>>> Zulu wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>> Explain us how the fact that Leuchter was not an engineer 
>>>reflect
>>>> s
>>>>> >>>>>>> on his work about "gas chambers" topic?
>>>>> >>>>>> Because he was a lying sack of shit, and didn't understand 
>what
>>>>> >>>>>> he was talking about?
>>>>> >>>>> Some FACTUAL Example?
>>>>>
>>>>> >>>> He lied about being an engineer
>>>>> >>> I talk about his work on "gas chamber" topic, idiot.
>>>>>
>>>>> >> He didn't know that it takes less zyklon to kill a human than 
>>>insects.
>>>>>
>>>>> > But, according with holoks they used similar dosis...
>>>>>
>>>>> That is not true.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> > Just to waste more Zyclon than necessary for the fun?
>>>>>
>>>>> Or to speed up the death process?
>>>> 
>>>> NOPE. To speed the process, heating Zyclon B pellets was the best.
>>>> But, as we know, SS was idiots and they preferred to spend overdoses
>>>> of ZB and expect that "body heat or breathing" would make better the
>>>> job. Then, after each "gassing operation"· they thew away ZB pellets
>>>> with atleast 50% HCN remaining in for the fun.
>>>
>>>
>>>Why did they throw away perfectly useable pellets? Those nazi thugs were 
>>>getting kickbacks from the manufacturer of zyklon
>> 
>> That is most doubtful. We're not talking about the corrupt USA here.
>
>
>That's true, we are talking about the thugocracy of nazis.
>
>We are also talking about German mothers who tell their sons that bodies 
>shrunk to the size of dolls as a result of the firestorm in Hamburg

Your stupid notions that bones cannot be shrunken will be a major
surprise to some of the people who used to produce shrunken heads in
South America.

>
>We should be talking about the children who believe such stories
>
>
>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>> That hoax sucks...
>>>> 
>>>
>>>So does your DOGMA
>> 


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On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 23:15:45 +0000 (UTC), "I'll Always Be 01/01/09"
 wrote:

>Johannes von Ebersdorf  wrote in 
>news:42iql4ltrhjib3u8qsa1jquoac82c4atcl@4ax.com:
>
>> On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 23:55:08 +0000 (UTC), "I'll Always Be 31/12/08"
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>>Zulu  wrote in news:13d61f3c-0650-4b9f-a643-
>>>d526aa7fde59@l33g2000pri.googlegroups.com:
>>>
>>>> On 29 dic 2008, 23:05, "I'll Always Be 29/12/08"
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> Zulu  wrote innews:gjbhc4$n21$1@news.motzarella.org:
>>>>>
>>>> 
>>>>> > Explain why those SS were so idiot.
>>>>>
>>>>> Because the SS was a thugocracy and the motivators were personal hate 
>>>and
>>>>> greed
>>>> 
>>>> That does not explain why they wasted half or even more on supposed
>>>> "gassing operations" the quantity of Zyclon B allowed per day for
>>>> delousing.
>>>> 
>>>> Something hard tom explain.
>>>
>>>
>>>Not at all. The fact that you insist the thugs should do something the 
>>>difficult way is your problem. The fact that any waste occurred has 
>never 
>>>been proven. The fact that the nazi thugs were undoubtedly getting 
>>>kickbacks from the makers/sellers of zyklon explains it all
>> 
>> You are unlikely to be able to show any evidence for your alegation,
>> let alone proof.
>
>Oh no, more three mile high flames

Here we go with the old "change of subject" technique again. LOL

>
>
>http://books.google.com/books?id=yDkumtRi97oC&pg=PA57&lpg=PA57
>&dq=nazi+graft&source=bl&ots=y7t_nepSRv&sig=Gr4MSvnMbZRZo3XTnvjasP8DlQA&hl
>=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=3&ct=result
>
>http://www.pen-and-sword.co.uk/?product_id=38
>
>http://www.jstor.org/pss/3079340
>
>http://books.google.com/books?id=trU7nY-T-4EC&pg=PA68&lpg=PA68
>&dq=bribes+by+nazis&source=web&ots=sCDf63qYnJ&sig=LlCPrimXFnVtFANuf6hx_uhI
>LHc&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=5&ct=result
>
>http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Chaim-Michael-Dov-Weissmandl
>
>http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1014425.html
>
>http://shalom-magazine.com/Print.php?id=440306
>
>http://www.holocausteduqca.com/holocaust_hero_turns_100_years_o.htm
>
>http://books.google.com/books?id=poikX8ecYRwC&pg=PA90&lpg=PA90
>&dq=corruption+by+nazis+-
>schindler&source=web&ots=WZruZ7EGqz&sig=skoZHdzcQ9aqRQq7PF1lofen1Go&hl=en&
>sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=1&ct=result
>
>http://www.pbs.org/auschwitz/learning/guides/episode_4.html
>
>The SS also profited from the belongings of those they killed—so much so, 
>that in the summer of 1943, an investigation was launched into corruption 
>in the camp and Rudolf Höss, the commandant, was removed.
>
>http://www.amazon.co.uk/Surviving-Hitler-Choices-Corruption-
>Compromise/dp/0671022636
>
>
>
>> 
>> Surviving Hitler: Choices, Corruption and Compromise in the Third Reich 
>(Paperback)
>> by Adam LeBor (Author), Roger Boyes (Author)
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Zyklon B was an insecticide.
>
>Insecticides are inimical to human life
>
>
> It is highly unlikely
>> that anybody got "kickbacks" for anything. Kickbacks are largely an
>> American phenomenon.
>
>
>Apparently the nazis weren't aware of this fact
>
>
>
>
>
>
>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>> 
>> 


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On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 00:10:10 -0500, "Patrick Keenan" 
wrote:

>"Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message 
>news:42iql4ltrhjib3u8qsa1jquoac82c4atcl@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 23:55:08 +0000 (UTC), "I'll Always Be 31/12/08"
>>  wrote:
>>
>>>Zulu  wrote in news:13d61f3c-0650-4b9f-a643-
>>>d526aa7fde59@l33g2000pri.googlegroups.com:
>>>
>>>> On 29 dic 2008, 23:05, "I'll Always Be 29/12/08"
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> Zulu  wrote innews:gjbhc4$n21$1@news.motzarella.org:
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> > Explain why those SS were so idiot.
>>>>>
>>>>> Because the SS was a thugocracy and the motivators were personal hate
>>>and
>>>>> greed
>>>>
>>>> That does not explain why they wasted half or even more on supposed
>>>> "gassing operations" the quantity of Zyclon B allowed per day for
>>>> delousing.
>>>>
>>>> Something hard tom explain.
>>>
>>>
>>>Not at all. The fact that you insist the thugs should do something the
>>>difficult way is your problem. The fact that any waste occurred has never
>>>been proven. The fact that the nazi thugs were undoubtedly getting
>>>kickbacks from the makers/sellers of zyklon explains it all
>>
>> You are unlikely to be able to show any evidence for your alegation,
>> let alone proof. Zyklon B was an insecticide.
>
>And was very well known to be extremely toxic to humans, vastly more toxic 
>to humans than to insects.    Specifically, about one fifty-third of the 
>concentration needed to kill lice would kill a human in about close to one 
>two-hundredths of the time.
>
>Were you unaware of this feature of its chemistry?

Humans are generally more easy to poison than insects. What is your
point, if there actually is one?

>
>Zyklon was quickly lethal, cheap, easy to handle, and on hand in large 
>quantities.   It was easy to hide its statistical use as a murder weapon in 
>it legitimate use.
>
>
>> It is highly unlikely
>> that anybody got "kickbacks" for anything. Kickbacks are largely an
>> American phenomenon.
>
>So you say, and now, if you can prove that the Nazi leadership never stole 
>or lied, you'll be on your way to credibility.
>
>-pk 
>


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On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 00:13:22 -0500, "Patrick Keenan" 
wrote:

>"Kurt Knoll"  wrote in message 
>news:8Yq6l.385$PH1.21@edtnps82...
>> Get real Eugene was the room really big enough to hold 2000 Jews. Is it 
>> also true it really took 15 minutes cremate a Jew. Can any modern 
>> crematorium >
>
>And so we see that Kurt still doesn't know how to make a valid comparison 
>either.
>
>Here's a hint, Kurt.   How many bodies to modern funeral crematory units 
>hold at one time?

The commercial funeral equipment at the various camps was also
designed to deal with one body at a time. Mulitiple corpses in baffles
designed for one would dramatically slow things down, not speed them
up. Your various scenarios defy the laws of physics and chemistry, and
is one of the big reasons that I no longer believe your stories.

>
>-pk
>
>> Ps Non commercial crematorium do the same thing and waht was the standard 
>> before 1945.
>> Kurt Knoll.
>>
>> "Eugene Holman"  wrote in message 
>> news:holman-3012080740420001@c518-m3.eng.helsinki.fi...
>>> In article , "Kurt Knoll"  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Even if Leuchter would be the foremost expert you would be discrediting 
>>>> him.
>>>> It is part of your Jewish diet.
>>>
>>> Anybody can make a mistake, even an expert. Leuchter's mistake was quite
>>> simple and one that no expert would make: he worked on the assumption 
>>> that
>>> a mass execution gas chamber has to be similar in form, design, and
>>> function to an American penal gas chamber. Even if confronted with a
>>> perfectly ordinary room, such as the auditorium at the Dubrovka Theater 
>>> in
>>> Moscow where a terrorist attack in 2002 ended with a fast-operating
>>> anesthetic being introduced to the ambient air and more than 120 of the
>>> people trapped inside being killed by it, he would not regard the
>>> auditorium as a "gas chamber" because it lacks the formal attributes of 
>>> an
>>> American penal gas chamber despite its having the same functionality from
>>> the standpoint of the victims. For details, see e.g.
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow_theater_hostage_crisis.
>>>
>>> Thus, everything reduces to definitions. The Nazis do not seem to have
>>> used anything resembling an American penal gas chamber to kill their
>>> victims at their death camps, but they *did* have structures that enabled
>>> them to kill large numbers of people by trapping them inside and then
>>> introducing poison gas to the air they were forced to breathe. Their
>>> objective was *not*, as erroneously assumed by Leuchter and Faurisson, to
>>> replicate an American penal gas chamber in form and design, but rather to
>>> create and manage the conditions obtaining during a fatal gassing
>>> accident, thus replicating functionality only. In the most general sense 
>>> a
>>> gas chamber is an enclosed structure that can be used to kill people by
>>> manipulating the content of the air anyone trapped inside is forced to
>>> breathe. Leuchter's arguments to the contrary, no engineering safety
>>> features, ocean-proof glass, or observance of California norms defining
>>> minimum floor space per executee to assure proper circulation of the
>>> lethal agent are necessary.
>>>
>>> Everyone knows that fatal gassing accidents, sometimes involving dozens 
>>> of
>>> people, take place in quite ordinary rooms, ship holds, garages, wells,
>>> mines, automobiles, cellars, kitchens, and living rooms. In 1995
>>> terrorists in Japan managed to kill people in several Tokyo subway
>>> stations and trains, places that were not sealed and in which powerful
>>> ventilation systems were running, by introducing a sufficient amount of
>>> the nerve gas sarin to the ambient air to reach a lethal concentration.
>>> For details, see e.g.
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarin_gas_attack_on_the_Tokyo_subway.
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Eugene Holman
>>
>> 
>


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On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 23:18:14 +0000 (UTC), "I'll Always Be 01/01/09"
 wrote:

>Johannes von Ebersdorf  wrote in 
>news:jaiql499n5r7o06otf69rm69d7t2tc60cs@4ax.com:
>
>> On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 09:42:11 +0000 (UTC), "I'll Always Be 01/01/09"
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>>"Kurt Knoll"  wrote in
>>>news:_Q_6l.610$Db2.417@edtnps83: 
>>>
>>>> Are you sure Mauthausen did have a train station ?.
>>>
>>>Yes, and an international airport
>> 
>> This is an example of the inaccuracy of your babble.
>
>
>Oh, I'm sorry, I meant to say that as a result of the firebombing of 
>Mauthausen, bodies were shrunk to the size of dolls.

That's it, keep trumpeting your ignorance. 

>
>
>
>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> They also say the 
>>>> prisoners did get killed just as soon the did arrive in the camp by
>>>> train. 
>>>
>>>
>>>Yes, that's what you have said.
>>>
>>>
>>>I would be interested how they did manage to taht when there was
>>>> no railing into the camp.
>>>
>>>
>>>What happened to the gas vans you mentioned?
>>>
>>>
>>>> 
>>>> Kurt Knoll
>>>> "I'll Always Be 31/12/08"  wrote in 
>message
>>>> news:Xns9B85C1A61826DTheonlyonethatcares@87.106.137.111...
>>>>> "Kurt Knoll"  wrote in
>>>>> news:t7S6l.893$PH1.578@edtnps82:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "I'll Always Be 31/12/08"  wrote in
>>>>>> message news:Xns9B858316A5306Theonlyonethatcares@87.106.137.111...
>>>>>>> "Kurt Knoll"  wrote in news:m5Q6l.811$PH1.386
>>>>>>> @edtnps82:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hey Gord how many Jews fit into a German gas wagon.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why are you changing the subject?
>>>>>> Because I am curious.
>>>>>
>>>>> No, you are Jewish, therefore you are a liar.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> From mauhausen to Gussen is only 7 kilometres. The
>>>>>> stories has the transported prisoner from mauthause to gusen and
>>>>>> killed them in gas wagon.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Actually, you said they were killed at the train station, why are you
>>>>> changing what you said?
>>>>>
>>>>> In return trip they did transport prisoner from gusen
>>>>>> to mauthausen and gassed them to death.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> But you've just said they had already killed them, why are you 
>changing
>>>>> your story?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sometimes whe they found
>>>>>> prisoner being death, Then thy dumped into the nearest ditch. This 
>are
>>>>>> stories from your brethrens believe it or not.
>>>>>
>>>>> Prove it
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Kurt Knoll.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Kurt Knoll.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Gord McFee"  wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:bxP6l.46415$se4.42040@en-nntp-03.dc1.easynews.com...
>>>>>>>>> On 12/30/2008 6:39 PM, Ben Cramer wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Eugene Holman"  wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> news:holman-3012082049530001@ke-hupnet233-
>25.hupnet.helsinki.fi...
>>>>>>>>>>> In article <_-idnZXaue16lcfUnZ2dnUVZ_ovinZ2d@giganews.com>, 
>"Ben
>>>>>>>>>>> Cramer"  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Kurt Knoll"  wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>> news:ebn6l.127$Db2.96@edtnps83...
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wrong again. He did send the sample to an America laboratory
>>>>>>>>>>>>> not telling them were they cam from. Lying is a Jewish
>>>>>>>>>>>>> specially no on can compete with it.
>>>>>>>>>>>> What I find totally amazing is that the jewish chemist, Roth,
>>>>>>>>>>>> admitted that had he known where the samples came from, he 
>would
>>>>>>>>>>>> have arrived at a different conclusion.
>>>>>>>>>>> What's so strange about that? Leuchter gave him bulk samples 
>and
>>>>>>>>>>> said that hey were from an industrial accident involving 
>cyanide.
>>>>>>>>>>> If Leuchter had simply said that the samples were gauged out of 
>a
>>>>>>>>>>> wall, the surface of which had allegedly been exposed to 
>cyanide,
>>>>>>>>>>> Roth would have constriucted a different analytical procedure 
>and
>>>>>>>>>>> come to a different result.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Oh dear. Apologia gone made.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Oh dear, Cramer puts foot in mouth again.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The chemist was given samples and asked to ascertain what, if 
>any,
>>>>>>>>>> the levels of cyanide were contained within. That is all he 
>needed
>>>>>>>>>> to know.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Nope.  He needed to know how they were obtained, as has been
>>>>>>>>> explained dozens of times.  The fact that your knowledge of
>>>>>>>>> chemistry is as bad
>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>> Leuchter's does not change the facts.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> [Blather deleted]
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>>>> Gord McFee
>>>>>>>>> I'll write no line before its time
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Visit the Holocaust History Project
>>>>>>>>> http://www.holocaust-history.org
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>> 


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On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 22:55:35 +0000 (UTC), "I'll Always Be 01/01/09"
 wrote:

>Johannes von Ebersdorf  wrote in
>news:f8iql4lugbq6nqvtn98lo7etqlo0gdall7@4ax.com: 
>
>> On Thu, 01 Jan 2009 08:07:22 GMT, "Kurt Knoll" 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>>Are you sure Mauthausen did have a train station ?. They also say the 
>>>prisoners did get killed just as soon the did arrive in the camp by
>>>train. I would be interested how they did manage to taht when there was
>>>no railing into the camp.
>> 
>> Why even bother to transport them in the first place? The stories
>> simply make no sense.
>
>
>Yet you believe your mothers stories about bodies shrunk to the size of 
>dolls

That phenomenon had been reported in numerous instances, and my mother
has no reason to lie about her personal experiences as a young girl of
sixteen. I certainly find her a lot more credible than any of the
industry crap that you try to flog.

>
>
>> 
>>>
>>>Kurt Knoll
>>>"I'll Always Be 31/12/08"  wrote in message
>>>news:Xns9B85C1A61826DTheonlyonethatcares@87.106.137.111...
>>>> "Kurt Knoll"  wrote in
>>>> news:t7S6l.893$PH1.578@edtnps82:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "I'll Always Be 31/12/08"  wrote in
>>>>> message news:Xns9B858316A5306Theonlyonethatcares@87.106.137.111...
>>>>>> "Kurt Knoll"  wrote in news:m5Q6l.811$PH1.386
>>>>>> @edtnps82:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hey Gord how many Jews fit into a German gas wagon.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why are you changing the subject?
>>>>> Because I am curious.
>>>>
>>>> No, you are Jewish, therefore you are a liar.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From mauhausen to Gussen is only 7 kilometres. The
>>>>> stories has the transported prisoner from mauthause to gusen and
>>>>> killed them in gas wagon.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Actually, you said they were killed at the train station, why are you
>>>> changing what you said?
>>>>
>>>> In return trip they did transport prisoner from gusen
>>>>> to mauthausen and gassed them to death.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> But you've just said they had already killed them, why are you
>>>> changing your story?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sometimes whe they found
>>>>> prisoner being death, Then thy dumped into the nearest ditch. This
>>>>> are stories from your brethrens believe it or not.
>>>>
>>>> Prove it
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Kurt Knoll.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Kurt Knoll.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Gord McFee"  wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:bxP6l.46415$se4.42040@en-nntp-03.dc1.easynews.com...
>>>>>>>> On 12/30/2008 6:39 PM, Ben Cramer wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Eugene Holman"  wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:holman-3012082049530001@ke-hupnet233-
>25.hupnet.helsinki.fi...
>>>>>>>>>> In article <_-idnZXaue16lcfUnZ2dnUVZ_ovinZ2d@giganews.com>, "Ben
>>>>>>>>>> Cramer"  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "Kurt Knoll"  wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>> news:ebn6l.127$Db2.96@edtnps83...
>>>>>>>>>>>> Wrong again. He did send the sample to an America laboratory
>>>>>>>>>>>> not telling them were they cam from. Lying is a Jewish
>>>>>>>>>>>> specially no on can compete with it.
>>>>>>>>>>> What I find totally amazing is that the jewish chemist, Roth,
>>>>>>>>>>> admitted that had he known where the samples came from, he
>>>>>>>>>>> would have arrived at a different conclusion.
>>>>>>>>>> What's so strange about that? Leuchter gave him bulk samples and
>>>>>>>>>> said that hey were from an industrial accident involving
>>>>>>>>>> cyanide. If Leuchter had simply said that the samples were
>>>>>>>>>> gauged out of a wall, the surface of which had allegedly been
>>>>>>>>>> exposed to cyanide, Roth would have constriucted a different
>>>>>>>>>> analytical procedure and come to a different result.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Oh dear. Apologia gone made.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Oh dear, Cramer puts foot in mouth again.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The chemist was given samples and asked to ascertain what, if
>>>>>>>>> any, the levels of cyanide were contained within. That is all he
>>>>>>>>> needed to know.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Nope.  He needed to know how they were obtained, as has been
>>>>>>>> explained dozens of times.  The fact that your knowledge of
>>>>>>>> chemistry is as bad
>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>> Leuchter's does not change the facts.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [Blather deleted]
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>>> Gord McFee
>>>>>>>> I'll write no line before its time
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Visit the Holocaust History Project
>>>>>>>> http://www.holocaust-history.org
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> 
>>>
>> 


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On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 08:16:32 +0000 (UTC), someone-who-knows
 wrote:

>In article ,
>Johannes von Ebersdorf   wrote:
>
>[snippage]
>
>Hans-Peter Skaliks (posting as "ebersdorf") fully justifies the
>massive Nazi bombings of Holland and Poland,  countries which have
>not attacked Germany,  yet he gets all purple in the kisser when
>Israel defends itself against an enemy which wants to annihilate
>it and which,  for years,  fired thousands of rockets at Israeli
>cities.
>
>Strange little critter,  that Skaliks.

LOL

We have religious freedom, so you can believe whatever nonsense you
like, including your ranting about my alleged "real" identity. You
have failed to get any mileage out of your silly skaliks routine in
the past, and it won't bear any fruit in the future either.

The Nazi bombings in the Netherlands and Poland were hardly "massive".
If you tried to graph them on the same piece of graph paper as allied
terrorist efforts they wouldn't register against the allied efforts.


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On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 23:20:13 +0000 (UTC), "I'll Always Be 01/01/09"
 wrote:

>Johannes von Ebersdorf  wrote in 
>news:lmiql411spp6fbc9m4dln7eb5q7pglnfm1@4ax.com:
>
>> On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 04:38:13 +0000 (UTC), "I'll Always Be 30/12/08"
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>>Johannes von Ebersdorf  wrote in 
>>>news:lgpll4d773r00s2vthoitbls42shmg7uoi@4ax.com:
>>>
>>>
>>>And here I thought you had plonked me, mr cramer.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 19:58:07 +0000 (UTC), "I'll Always Be 30/12/08"
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>>"Kurt Knoll"  wrote in news:K_m6l.125$Db2.8
>>>@edtnps83:
>>>>>
>>>>>> What do you expect the palis to do. It was the Jews who stole their
>>>>>> land. Kurt Knoll.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>The Jews should do it to Germany...the Germans stole the Jews land, 
>>>money 
>>>>>and wealth
>>>> 
>>>> Germany belongs to Germans, not to jews. Germans and Germany owe
>>>> absolutely nothing to jews, most of whom came from Poland as penniless
>>>> beggars after WW1.
>>>
>>>
>>>The Germans stole and destroyed Jewish buildings, businesses, money and 
>>>lives...all of which belonged to the Jews. 
>> 
>> The jews were parasites in Germany, and what wealth they had was
>> obtained by theft or fraud.
>
>
>That can't be. Theft and fraud are the earmarks of German commerce

That must explain why the term "Jewed" in English is a synonym for
defrauded or cheated, while nobody on the planet says "Germaned" as a
synonym for cheated or defrauded.


>
>
>Surviving Hitler: Choices, Corruption and Compromise in the Third Reich 
>(Paperback)
>by Adam LeBor (Author), Roger Boyes (Author)
> 
>
>
>
>> 
>>>The germans were thugs and it 
>>>is only fitting that they be treated for what they did the way KK 
>>>suggests.
>> 
>> LOL, your ranting is becoming out and out funny.
>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> The jews became wealthy because of the confusion
>>>> and chaos following WW1.
>>>
>>>
>>>So once again, you are admitting the christians are inept and 
>>>incompetent...after all the confusion was there for everyone, but the 
>Jews 
>>>managed to somehow not be as confused as the christians.
>> 
>> This has nothing to do with Christians. The jews in Germany were alien
>> carpet-baggers who arrived to fill their pockets at the expense of
>> people who were temporarily not in a position to stop them. The
>> depredations of the jews were another side-effect of Versailles.
>
>
>In other words, the germans, who are christians, were inept and 
>incompetent
>
>
>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> "PB1952"  wrote in message 
>>>>>> news:gjcrfi$4do$1@news.motzarella.org...
>>>>>>> "Heinrich"  wrote in message 
>>>>>>> news:6rtrptF3994gU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>>> Horror, fear, hysteria, weeping , involuntary urinating, fever and
>>>>>>>> trauma affect the children of Gaza due to the death of their 
>>>friends,
>>>>>>>> parents, relatives and seeing the blood covering the streets and 
>the
>>>>>>>> ruins of the destroyed houses. Trauma spreads across the children 
>of
>>>>>>>> Gaza due to the increased number of funerals in the streets, and 
>the
>>>>>>>> loud noise of the Israeli F16s flying over their heads, bombing
>>>>>>>> everything around them. 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I suggest you do some research into suffering of the residents of
>>>>>>> Sderot. They suffer similarly, but then they are Jews so you don't 
>>>give
>>>>>>> a s**t. 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>> PB1952@gmail.com
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>> 
>> 


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On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 08:22:38 +0000 (UTC), someone-who-knows
 wrote:

>In article ,
>Johannes von Ebersdorf   wrote:
>
>> The jews were parasites in Germany, 
>
>Crazy old Nazi.  You folks never learn,  do you?  

The Nazis were long gone by the time I was born, Bozo. Right wing
movements such as the American Republicans, the German Nazis, or
Harper's Tories have never enjoyed much support from me.  LOL

Like all your other stuff, this latest rant is just another pile of
horse-dung. Why should I believe your version of WW2 when your other
stuff is so totally ridiculous? When you spout nonsense about things
where I know the truth for certain, then you don't have much
credibility when you try to convince me of things where I might be
less familiar.


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On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 08:32:29 +0000 (UTC), a-little-sanity,  please
 wrote:

>In article <6rtrptF3994gU1@mid.individual.net>,
>Heinrich  wrote:
>
>[snippage]
>
>Too bad,  but this is what happens when you declare your intent to
>annihilate a neighboring country,  when -- for years -- you fire
>thousands of rockets at its cities,  and when you ignore dozens
>of warning to stop doing it.

The Zionists have had the intent to destroy the native population of
their colonial conquest for decades. You are babbling mindlessly and
fraudulently.

>
>Sorry!


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On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 18:51:57 +1000, "Karl"  wrote:

>
>"a-little-sanity"; "please"  wrote in message 
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>
>Pest sprayed 

LOL

Your approach to a-very-little-sanity and his alter-ego may be the
wisest course. They never have anything to say besides gratuitous
invective anyway.


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On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 18:51:36 +1000, "Karl"  wrote:

>
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>
>Pest sprayed 

 Thanks, these pests are hard to eliminate.


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On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 06:21:45 +0100, "Heinrich" 
wrote:

>What if Hamas dumped all their rockets in the sea tomorrow? Would Gazans 
>enjoy the same freedoms as other nations? Would they be able to open their 
>sea port to foreign ships and rebuild and operate their airport? Would they 
>be able to import and export and carry on trade and develop their economy 
>and prosper like other countries?

No, it would just make it easier for Israel to exterminate them. It
has always been the Zionist intention to eliminate all non-Jews from
the area specified for the mythical kingdoms of David and Solomon.

>
>Would they be allowed to exploit and develop their offshore gas field? Would 
>their fishermen be allowed to fish in unpolluted waters? Would their young 
>people be able to come and go and take up places at foreign universities?
>
>Would Israel clear out of Gazan airspace permanently? Would the Israeli navy 
>cease its piracy and stay out of Palestinian territorial waters? Would you 
>and I be able to visit Gaza direct?
>
>Fat chance. None of this would suit Israel. So Gazans would be no better 
>off. Their tormented half-existence would continue.
>
>There are no rockets coming out of the West Bank. Yet the illegal Israeli 
>occupation there continues and so does the ethnic cleansing, the land theft, 
>the illegal settlements, the colonization, the demolition of Palestinian 
>homes, the throttling of the economy, the abduction and 'administrative 
>detention' of civilians and the massive interference with freedom of 
>movement. Nothing has changed for West Bank Palestinians who DO NOT fire 
>rockets. There is no sign of an end to their misery.
>
>The bloody assault on Gaza therefore has much more to do with Israel's 
>ambition to expand racial dominance in the Holy Land than crude and erratic 
>rocket-fire. Hamas and the Palestinians holed up in Gaza are simply in the 
>way of the Grand Plan and have to be removed or totally subdued.
>
>The international community needs to keep their eye on the ball - the big 
>issue - which is the ending of the occupation and Israel's withdrawal to 
>recognized pre-67 borders as required by international law. In short, they 
>need to stop wringing their hands and start delivering justice, which is 
>long overdue.
>
>Palestinians in Gaza will hardly wish to give up armed resistance until they 
>receive copper-bottomed guarantees of a normal life unmolested by Israel... 
>and see concrete evidence of it.
>
>
>Stuart Littlewood
>1st January 2009
>
>
>


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On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 05:37:32 +0000 (UTC), "I'll Always Be 01/01/09"
 wrote:

>"Heinrich"  wrote in
>news:6s5mj8F4c3pvU1@mid.individual.net: 
>
>> Palestinians in Gaza will hardly wish to give up armed resistance until
>> they receive copper-bottomed guarantees of a normal life unmolested by
>> Israel... and see concrete evidence of it.
>
>Israelis are hardly likely to give up the "armed struggle" until they receive 
>copper-bottomed guarantees of a normal life unmolested by palestinian suicide 
>bombers and rockets 

Perhaps the rest of Middle East is hoping for an environment where
they don't have to put up with vicious Jewish colonialists?


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On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 00:37:42 -0500, "Patrick Keenan" 
wrote:

>"Heinrich"  wrote in message 
>news:6s5mj8F4c3pvU1@mid.individual.net...
>> What if Hamas dumped all their rockets in the sea tomorrow? 
>
>What if Hamas and their masters dumped their insistence that Israel has no 
>right to exist and should be destroyed, tomorrow?

Since Israel believes in the "right of conquest", a holdover from the
early middle ages, then nobody has a right to exist since conquest
cuts in two directions. Today Israel lords it over the Middle East,
and perhaps tomorrow somebody else will lord it over the Middle East.
That is the way the "right of conquest" works.

The Israeli concept seems to be that now that they have successfully
stolen the area from the indigenous population, their theft should be
recognized as legitimate. That is unreasonable. The Arabs have every
right to attempt recovery on the same basis that the European Jewish
colonialists stole it in the first place.

>
>Would they then be forced to finally work towards some sort of justice and 
>peace for the Palestinian people?
>
>-pk
>
>


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On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 07:04:38 +0000 (UTC), a-little-sanity,  please
 wrote:

>In article <6s5mj8F4c3pvU1@mid.individual.net>,
>Heinrich  wrote:
>
>> What if Hamas dumped all their rockets in the sea tomorrow? Would Gazans 
>> enjoy the same freedoms as other nations?
>
>Yes.

Given Israel's record in the past, that is highly doubtful. Every time
peace threatened to break out in the Middle East, Israel has arranged
for some provocation such as new settlements on stolen land, or some
gratuitous massacre or another to keep things stirred up.



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On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 20:47:34 +1300, "PB1952" 
wrote:

>"Heinrich"  wrote in message 
>news:6s5mj8F4c3pvU1@mid.individual.net...
>> What if Hamas dumped all their rockets in the sea tomorrow? Would Gazans 
>> enjoy the same freedoms as other nations? Would they be able to open their 
>> sea port to foreign ships and rebuild and operate their airport? Would 
>> they be able to import and export and carry on trade and develop their 
>> economy and prosper like other countries?
>
>If thePalestinians  had remained peaceful after the pullour from Gaza the 
>answer is yes.

The trouble has been largely of Israeli origin, so nothing the
residents of Gaza could do would make any difference. The Israelis
want them gone, so their basic choice is resist or die.

>Gaza was viewed as a test by most Israelis. Had everything gone peacefully 
>Israelis would have handed back most of the West Bank in a spirit of 
>co-operation and Palestinians would have a a much better life.
>Now most Israelis are frightened of would happen if the W Bank was handed 
>back. It would probably be used to fire rockets
>at even closer range.
>
>
>> Would they be allowed to exploit and develop their offshore gas field? 
>> Would their fishermen be allowed to fish in unpolluted waters? Would their 
>> young people be able to come and go and take up places at foreign 
>> universities?
>
>Yes probably.
>.
>>
>> Would Israel clear out of Gazan airspace permanently? Would the Israeli 
>> navy cease its piracy and stay out of Palestinian territorial waters? 
>> Would you and I be able to visit Gaza direct?
>
>Yes probably.
>>
>> Fat chance. None of this would suit Israel. So Gazans would be no better 
>> off. Their tormented half-existence would continue.
>
>Hamas are a resistance group, they want things this way It is the basis of 
>their ideology and agenda.
>That is the reason they have been provoking with rockets .(even during the 
>truce)
>If there is nothing to resist they are out of business.
>
>>
>> There are no rockets coming out of the West Bank. Yet the illegal Israeli 
>> occupation there continues and so does the ethnic cleansing, the land 
>> theft, the illegal settlements, the colonization, the demolition of 
>> Palestinian homes, the throttling of the economy, the abduction and 
>> 'administrative detention' of civilians and the massive interference with 
>> freedom of movement. Nothing has changed for West Bank Palestinians who DO 
>> NOT fire rockets. There is no sign of an end to their misery.
>
>
>That isn't true. The economy in the W Bank has much improved and goods flow 
>between them and Israel.
>>
>> The bloody assault on Gaza therefore has much more to do with Israel's 
>> ambition to expand racial dominance in the Holy Land than crude and 
>> erratic rocket-fire. Hamas and the Palestinians holed up in Gaza are 
>> simply in the way of the Grand Plan and have to be removed or totally 
>> subdued.
>
>What crap.
>>
>> The international community needs to keep their eye on the ball - the big 
>> issue - which is the ending of the occupation and Israel's withdrawal to 
>> recognized pre-67 borders as required by international law. In short, they 
>> need to stop wringing their hands and start delivering justice, which is 
>> long overdue.
>>
>> Palestinians in Gaza will hardly wish to give up armed resistance until 
>> they receive copper-bottomed guarantees of a normal life unmolested by 
>> Israel... and see concrete evidence of it.
>
>The same can be said for the Israelis.
>>
>>
>> Stuart Littlewood
>> 1st January 2009
>>
>>
>>
>>


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On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 22:06:03 +1300, "PB1952" 
wrote:

>"B.H. Cramer"  wrote in message 
>news:BYSdnROlQOWLVcDUnZ2dnUVZ_oTinZ2d@giganews.com...
>>
>> "PB1952"  wrote in message 
>> news:gjkgqn$nq3$1@news.motzarella.org...
>>> "Heinrich"  wrote in message 
>>> news:6s5mj8F4c3pvU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>> What if Hamas dumped all their rockets in the sea tomorrow? Would Gazans 
>>>> enjoy the same freedoms as other nations? Would they be able to open 
>>>> their sea port to foreign ships and rebuild and operate their airport? 
>>>> Would they be able to import and export and carry on trade and develop 
>>>> their economy and prosper like other countries?
>>>
>>> If thePalestinians  had remained peaceful after the pullour from Gaza the 
>>> answer is yes.
>>
>> They tried to be. The yids immediately closed all the borders and jailed 
>> them.
>
>Because they started firing rockets within 24 hours of the pullout.

Like most Israeli "gestures", that one too was a fraud. What changed
was rather than having Israeli concentration camp guards INSIDE the
giant concentration camp known as Gaza, they were moved to the
exterior. The inhuman conditions inside the camp remained as before.
>
>
>>
>>> Gaza was viewed as a test by most Israelis. Had everything gone 
>>> peacefully Israelis would have handed back most of the West Bank in a 
>>> spirit of co-operation and Palestinians would have a a much better life.
>>
>> What a crock of shit.
>
>It's true.Most Israelis wanted the Gaza pullout to be a success and a 
>rehearsal for pulling back from the W Bank.
>Opinions have hardened since. They have no reason to believe anything would 
>be different  than they are now if they pulled back to the 1967 borders. 
>Hamas want the annhilation of Israel They will be happy with  nothing less.
>
>>
>>> Now most Israelis are frightened of would happen if the W Bank was handed 
>>> back. It would probably be used to fire rockets
>>> at even closer range.
>>
>> That's what happens when you swipe someone elses country and brutally 
>> oppress the original occupants.
>
>Obvioulsy you agree wiuth them.
>Point proven.
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Would they be allowed to exploit and develop their offshore gas field? 
>>>> Would their fishermen be allowed to fish in unpolluted waters? Would 
>>>> their young people be able to come and go and take up places at foreign 
>>>> universities?
>>>
>>> Yes probably.
>>
>> Horseshit.
>
>  You know better 
>
>
>>
>> British Gas is working with Israel AT THIS VERY MOMENT to get their claws 
>> on the offshore gas fields.
>
>
>Israel has gas offshore, in fact they found petroleum recently.
>>
>>> .
>>>>
>>>> Would Israel clear out of Gazan airspace permanently? Would the Israeli 
>>>> navy cease its piracy and stay out of Palestinian territorial waters? 
>>>> Would you and I be able to visit Gaza direct?
>>>
>>> Yes probably.
>>
>> Balls.
>
>It was possible before, it would be possible again.
>>
>>>>
>>>> Fat chance. None of this would suit Israel. So Gazans would be no better 
>>>> off. Their tormented half-existence would continue.
>>>
>>> Hamas are a resistance group, they want things this way It is the basis 
>>> of their ideology and agenda.
>>> That is the reason they have been provoking with rockets .(even during 
>>> the truce)
>>> If there is nothing to resist they are out of business.
>>
>> They are NOT just a resistance group. They are mainly a welfare group.
>
>
>lol.  Rubbish.
>They define themselves as a resistance group you idiot.
>
>
>> Britain is so well aware of this they have only declared the militant wing 
>> to be a terrorist organisation.
>
>The Brits are slow at everything.
>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> There are no rockets coming out of the West Bank. Yet the illegal 
>>>> Israeli occupation there continues and so does the ethnic cleansing, the 
>>>> land theft, the illegal settlements, the colonization, the demolition of 
>>>> Palestinian homes, the throttling of the economy, the abduction and 
>>>> 'administrative detention' of civilians and the massive interference 
>>>> with freedom of movement. Nothing has changed for West Bank Palestinians 
>>>> who DO NOT fire rockets. There is no sign of an end to their misery.
>>>
>>>
>>> That isn't true. The economy in the W Bank has much improved and goods 
>>> flow between them and Israel.
>>
>> Horsefuckingshit.
>
>It's true. The economy has greatly improved.People are far better off in the 
>W Bank than in Gaza.
>Do a Google.The BBC had something about this two days ago.
>
>>>>
>>>> The bloody assault on Gaza therefore has much more to do with Israel's 
>>>> ambition to expand racial dominance in the Holy Land than crude and 
>>>> erratic rocket-fire. Hamas and the Palestinians holed up in Gaza are 
>>>> simply in the way of the Grand Plan and have to be removed or totally 
>>>> subdued.
>>>
>>> What crap.
>>
>> The crap is from you, twatty. As usual.
>> The yids are using Gaza for political and colonial ends.
>>>>
>>>> The international community needs to keep their eye on the ball - the 
>>>> big issue - which is the ending of the occupation and Israel's 
>>>> withdrawal to recognized pre-67 borders as required by international 
>>>> law. In short, they need to stop wringing their hands and start 
>>>> delivering justice, which is long overdue.
>>>>
>>>> Palestinians in Gaza will hardly wish to give up armed resistance until 
>>>> they receive copper-bottomed guarantees of a normal life unmolested by 
>>>> Israel... and see concrete evidence of it.
>>>
>>> The same can be said for the Israelis.
>>
>> Over sixty years and Ersatz israel is STILL trying to secure their 
>> population. By any measure, that's an indication the experiment has 
>> failed.
>
>
>Rubbish.
>Oh and BTW ir's obvious Heinrich didn't respond to me.The response is too 
>well written!!!!


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On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 12:47:05 +0000 (UTC), someone-who-knows
 wrote:

>In article ,
>Johannes von Ebersdorf   wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 22:57:13 +0000 (UTC), "I'll Always Be 01/01/09"
>>  wrote:
>
>>> We are also talking about German mothers who tell their sons that bodies 
>>> shrunk to the size of dolls as a result of the firestorm in Hamburg
>
>> Your stupid notions that bones cannot be shrunken will be a major
>> surprise to some of the people who used to produce shrunken heads in
>> South America.
>
>I believe they removed the skull first.  But anyway,  the story your
>mother told you -- that Germans whose cities were bombed have "shrunk
>to the size of a doll" is a truly insane lie,  like so many other
>things which your parents told you.

LOL

You are full of shit to your eyeballs, someone-who-knows-nothing.


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On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 13:00:46 +0000 (UTC), a-little-sanity,  please
 wrote:

>In article ,
>Johannes von Ebersdorf   wrote:
>
>> The commercial funeral equipment at the various camps was also
>> designed to deal with one body at a time. 
>
>Nope.
>
>Multiple cremation is very efficient,  and was (illegally of course)
>used in some cremation houses in order to save time and fuel.  That's
>why the law forbids it: see http://www.icfa.org/cremation_procedures.htm,
>Section 4.1.  See also http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,967605,00.html
>
>You're a truly disgusting little liar.

You're full of shit, a-very-little-sanity, like most of your fellow
holocaust™ cultists.


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On Fri, 02 Jan 2009 07:45:50 -0600, Sara Salzman
 wrote:

>In article ,
> Johannes von Ebersdorf  wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 00:13:22 -0500, "Patrick Keenan" 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> >"Kurt Knoll"  wrote in message 
>> >news:8Yq6l.385$PH1.21@edtnps82...
>> >> Get real Eugene was the room really big enough to hold 2000 Jews. Is it 
>> >> also true it really took 15 minutes cremate a Jew. Can any modern 
>> >> crematorium >
>> >
>> >And so we see that Kurt still doesn't know how to make a valid comparison 
>> >either.
>> >
>> >Here's a hint, Kurt.   How many bodies to modern funeral crematory units 
>> >hold at one time?
>> 
>> The commercial funeral equipment at the various camps was also
>> designed to deal with one body at a time. Mulitiple corpses in baffles
>> designed for one would dramatically slow things down, not speed them
>> up. Your various scenarios defy the laws of physics and chemistry, and
>> is one of the big reasons that I no longer believe your stories.
>> 
>
>But there's one little tiny detail you've failed to take into account: 
>the Nazis weren't interested in "cremation," by anyone's standards. They 
>were incinerating bodies, not cremating them. Comparisons to modern 
>crematoriums isn't valid.

Incomplete cremation would leave a lot of residue in the form of bone
fragments, etc. resulting in rather more leftovers than the usual
kilogram and a half of mineral ash. Even if one assumes complete
cremation, the million people you claim were cremated would leave
mineral ashes amounting to 1500 tonnes, none of which has been found.
When you add to that fuel deliveries totally inadequate to the task
and crematorium operations (flames belching from chimneys) that defy
the laws of physics and chemistry, you have a story with lots and lots
of room for doubt.


>> >
>> >-pk
>> >
>> >> Ps Non commercial crematorium do the same thing and waht was the standard 
>> >> before 1945.
>> >> Kurt Knoll.
>> >>
>> >> "Eugene Holman"  wrote in message 
>> >> news:holman-3012080740420001@c518-m3.eng.helsinki.fi...
>> >>> In article , "Kurt Knoll"  
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> Even if Leuchter would be the foremost expert you would be discrediting 
>> >>>> him.
>> >>>> It is part of your Jewish diet.
>> >>>
>> >>> Anybody can make a mistake, even an expert. Leuchter's mistake was quite
>> >>> simple and one that no expert would make: he worked on the assumption 
>> >>> that
>> >>> a mass execution gas chamber has to be similar in form, design, and
>> >>> function to an American penal gas chamber. Even if confronted with a
>> >>> perfectly ordinary room, such as the auditorium at the Dubrovka Theater 
>> >>> in
>> >>> Moscow where a terrorist attack in 2002 ended with a fast-operating
>> >>> anesthetic being introduced to the ambient air and more than 120 of the
>> >>> people trapped inside being killed by it, he would not regard the
>> >>> auditorium as a "gas chamber" because it lacks the formal attributes of 
>> >>> an
>> >>> American penal gas chamber despite its having the same functionality from
>> >>> the standpoint of the victims. For details, see e.g.
>> >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow_theater_hostage_crisis.
>> >>>
>> >>> Thus, everything reduces to definitions. The Nazis do not seem to have
>> >>> used anything resembling an American penal gas chamber to kill their
>> >>> victims at their death camps, but they *did* have structures that enabled
>> >>> them to kill large numbers of people by trapping them inside and then
>> >>> introducing poison gas to the air they were forced to breathe. Their
>> >>> objective was *not*, as erroneously assumed by Leuchter and Faurisson, to
>> >>> replicate an American penal gas chamber in form and design, but rather to
>> >>> create and manage the conditions obtaining during a fatal gassing
>> >>> accident, thus replicating functionality only. In the most general sense 
>> >>> a
>> >>> gas chamber is an enclosed structure that can be used to kill people by
>> >>> manipulating the content of the air anyone trapped inside is forced to
>> >>> breathe. Leuchter's arguments to the contrary, no engineering safety
>> >>> features, ocean-proof glass, or observance of California norms defining
>> >>> minimum floor space per executee to assure proper circulation of the
>> >>> lethal agent are necessary.
>> >>>
>> >>> Everyone knows that fatal gassing accidents, sometimes involving dozens 
>> >>> of
>> >>> people, take place in quite ordinary rooms, ship holds, garages, wells,
>> >>> mines, automobiles, cellars, kitchens, and living rooms. In 1995
>> >>> terrorists in Japan managed to kill people in several Tokyo subway
>> >>> stations and trains, places that were not sealed and in which powerful
>> >>> ventilation systems were running, by introducing a sufficient amount of
>> >>> the nerve gas sarin to the ambient air to reach a lethal concentration.
>> >>> For details, see e.g.
>> >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarin_gas_attack_on_the_Tokyo_subway.
>> >>>
>> >>> 
>> >>>
>> >>> Regards,
>> >>> Eugene Holman
>> >>
>> >> 
>> >


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On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 13:03:54 +0000 (UTC), someone-who-knows
 wrote:

>In article ,
>Johannes von Ebersdorf   wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 22:55:35 +0000 (UTC), "I'll Always Be 01/01/09"
>>  wrote:
>
>>> Yet you believe your mothers stories about bodies shrunk to the size of 
>>> dolls
>
>> That phenomenon had been reported in numerous instances, 
>
>It's fucking nonsense.  Snap out of it,  crazy guy.  Heat cannot
>cause a corpse to shrink to the size of a doll.

Yawn...

Rant on old fool.


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On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 13:12:13 +0000 (UTC), someone-who-knows
 wrote:

>In article <9j3sl4thl06r7c4gui819917i9pk0aec3d@4ax.com>,
>Johannes von Ebersdorf   wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 08:22:38 +0000 (UTC), someone-who-knows
>>  wrote:
>
>>> In article ,
>>> Johannes von Ebersdorf   wrote:
>
>>>> The jews were parasites in Germany, 
>
>>> Crazy old Nazi.  You folks never learn,  do you?  
>
>> The Nazis were long gone by the time I was born, Bozo.
>
>You were born in 1945 in Germany.

Actually no, but close. The Nazis were long gone.

>Your parents were Nazis,

Actually no, they were not. They were Social Democratic and Christian
Democratic respectively. Here is the first point where you are full of
shit.

>and you're a Nazi.

That too is false. I don't believe in their program or that of any
other right-wing political organization. This is the second point on
which you are totally full of shit.

>And yes,  you guys just don't learn.

Everybody in the family has a university education, so once again you
are full of shit. That is already the third strike, so formally you
are now out.

>Why
>filth like your family and the Knolls was allowed to enter
>Canada I can't understand. 

The Canadian authorities obviously didn't regard us as "filth", or
they wouldn't have invited us. There seem to be huge mountains of
stuff that you fail to understand. You have proven time and time again
that you are a fool.



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On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 14:14:56 +0100, "Heinrich" 
wrote:

>
>"someone-who-knows"  schreef in bericht 
>news:gjl3rd$t8v$1@pcls6.std.com...
>> In article <9j3sl4thl06r7c4gui819917i9pk0aec3d@4ax.com>,
>> Johannes von Ebersdorf   wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 08:22:38 +0000 (UTC), someone-who-knows
>>>  wrote:
>>
>>>> In article ,
>>>> Johannes von Ebersdorf   wrote:
>>
>>>>> The jews were parasites in Germany,
>>
>>>> Crazy old Nazi.  You folks never learn,  do you?
>>
>>> The Nazis were long gone by the time I was born, Bozo.
>>
>> You were born in 1945 in Germany.  Your parents were Nazis,
>> and you're a Nazi.  And yes,  you guys just don't learn.  Why
>> filth like your family and the Knolls was allowed to enter
>> Canada I can't understand.
>
>there is a lot more what you donot understand but that is because you are a 
>cunt. 

You're probably unfairly maligning cunts in your analysis.  LOL



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On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 13:15:09 +0000 (UTC), a-little-sanity,  please
 wrote:

>In article ,
>Johannes von Ebersdorf   wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 08:32:29 +0000 (UTC), a-little-sanity,  please
>>  wrote:
>
>>> Too bad,  but this is what happens when you declare your intent to
>>> annihilate a neighboring country,  when -- for years -- you fire
>>> thousands of rockets at its cities,  and when you ignore dozens
>>> of warning to stop doing it.
>
>> The Zionists have had the intent to destroy the native population of
>> their colonial conquest for decades. 
>
>So I guess that's why the Arab population in the region -- both
>inside and outside Israel -- has multiplied by a factor of five
>since Israel was created in 1948?

Their population has not increased nearly as quickly as that of the
Russians and Poles in Israel.

>
>> You are babbling mindlessly and fraudulently.
>
>Point my factual errors then,  you lying sack.


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On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 13:16:15 +0100, "Heinrich" 
wrote:

>
>"TallHenry"  schreef in bericht 
>news:gjl0fv$po9$1@pcls4.std.com...
>>
>> In article <6s6efsF4d6rnU1@mid.individual.net>,
>> Heinrich  wrote:
>>
>>>>       Read the article;  the guy seems to have been a fucking loon.  But
>>>> anyway,  hopefully we will soon kill real Nazis.
>>
>>> keep on dreaming jew cunt
>>
>> Why?  We killed you cocksucking Nazis before,  didn't we?  And we
>> didn't have H-bombs then.  Next time,  it will be much easier.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>as i toldyou in an earlie reply you better continue draming because you 
>cannot face reality and start talking baby talk 

TallHenry is simply somebody who cannot organize himself to take his
psychiatric medications on a regular basis. The guy is obviously a few
sandwiches short of a picnic as they like to say in Canada.


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On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 13:29:18 +0100, "Heinrich" 
wrote:

>
>"TallHenry"  schreef in bericht 
>news:gjl184$88r$1@pcls6.std.com...
>> In article <6s6eshF4fb8eU1@mid.individual.net>,
>> Heinrich  wrote:
>>
>>> as i toldyou in an earlie reply you better continue draming
>>
>>          As I told you in an earlier reply,  learn English and
>> stop posting when you're drunk,  you God-damned shiteating Nazi
>> freak.
>>
>sorryfor the typing errors but that is what you get reading a posting fromn 
>you the freak of nature 

Well, if Nazis opposed crazy babblers like TallHenry, then they
couldn't have been all bad, despite their known faults.


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On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 04:25:16 -0800 (PST), Bent Attorney
 wrote:

>On Jan 2, 7:07 am, TallHenry  wrote:
>> In article <6s6ap1F4e94...@mid.individual.net>,
>>
>> Heinrich  wrote:
>>
>>        (deletia)
>>
>>        Here's the part you forgot to quote,  cocksucker:
>>
>>        "Uniformed police officers warned the man several times to drop his
>> weapon. He didn't, Kappel said, and he pointed it at one of the officers. Two
>> officers shot him several times. He died at a hospital Thursday morning, Kappel
>> said."
>>
>>        Read the article;  the guy seems to have been a fucking loon.  But
>> anyway,  hopefully we will soon kill real Nazis.
>
>Why wait?  Get out there and do what you preach.  Walk the walk oh
>limp one.

TallHenry is clearly mentally deranged, and in civilized countries
would be provided with a secure residence in a mental hospital as
opposed to being doomed to be a street person like in the USA.


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On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 17:00:15 +0000 (UTC), a-little-sanity,  please
 wrote:

>In article ,
>Johannes von Ebersdorf   wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 13:00:46 +0000 (UTC), a-little-sanity,  please
>>  wrote:
>
>>> In article ,
>>> Johannes von Ebersdorf   wrote:
>
>>>> The commercial funeral equipment at the various camps was also
>>>> designed to deal with one body at a time. 
>
>>> Nope.
>>>
>>> Multiple cremation is very efficient,  and was (illegally of course)
>>> used in some cremation houses in order to save time and fuel.  That's
>>> why the law forbids it: see http://www.icfa.org/cremation_procedures.htm,
>>> Section 4.1.  See also http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,967605,00.html
>
>> You're full of shit, a-very-little-sanity, like most of your fellow
>> holocaust™ cultists.
>
>So,  I proved that you're a liar,

All you have shown is that you are an idiot with very little sanity.

>and you retaliate by name-calling.

LOL

You are a hypocrite as well as a fool.

>
>Is your mommy still around so you can run to her and cry?  Is she still
>making you happy by telling you funny stories about Germans who were
>shrunk to the size of a doll?  Cripes,  what a family.  Someone should
>write a paper about you.

After talking to you, holocaust™ jokes don't seem so gross anymore.


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On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 16:56:09 +0000 (UTC), a-little-sanity,  please
 wrote:

>In article ,
>Johannes von Ebersdorf   wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 12:47:05 +0000 (UTC), someone-who-knows
>>  wrote:
>
>>> I believe they removed the skull first.  But anyway,  the story your
>>> mother told you -- that Germans whose cities were bombed have "shrunk
>>> to the size of a doll" is a truly insane lie,  like so many other
>>> things which your parents told you.
>
>> LOL
>>
>> You are full of shit to your eyeballs, someone-who-knows-nothing.
>
>The joke's on you,  stupid.  You're the one who believes that
>when human beings are exposed to heat,  they will "shrink to
>the size of a doll".  Such a crazy little turd you are.

So whine in the ears of the people who wrote the books reporting these
phenomena. My mother wasn't alone in collecting human remains after an
allied terrorist attack against Frankfurt a/M, and her observations
and experiences are attested to by others, but then I really shouldn't
be wasting my time giving you a reply to your crap, which had no other
purpose but to annoy.


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On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 16:51:51 +0000 (UTC), a-little-sanity,  please
 wrote:

>In article <0g7sl41qt5k61lafi5davs3c4l5c7h6foq@4ax.com>,
>Johannes von Ebersdorf   wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 07:04:38 +0000 (UTC), a-little-sanity,  please
>>  wrote:
>
>>> In article <6s5mj8F4c3pvU1@mid.individual.net>,
>>> Heinrich  wrote:
>
>>>> What if Hamas dumped all their rockets in the sea tomorrow? Would Gazans 
>>>> enjoy the same freedoms as other nations?
>
>>> Yes.
>
>> Given Israel's record in the past, that is highly doubtful. Every time
>> peace threatened to break out in the Middle East, Israel has arranged
>> for some provocation such as new settlements on stolen land, or some
>> gratuitous massacre or another to keep things stirred up.
>
>What crap.  Israel left South Lebanon and Gaza in order to promote
>peace,

They had no business being there in the first place, so leaving is not
a subject for which people are obliged to have much gratitude.

>and the Islamists took over these locations and used them
>to launch thousands of rockets at Israeli cities.

The "Islamists" you reference in your bigot-speak, are just
freedom-fighters opposing a vicious and merciless enemy, who is
dedicated to the destruction of their people, by whatever limited
means are at their disposal.

>You're such a
>loathsome little liar.

Unlike you, I don't tell lies.


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On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 17:13:33 +0000 (UTC), a-little-sanity,  please
 wrote:

>In article <017sl4ls1bb7osdc3bof1u8e2s9mo7h64k@4ax.com>,
>Johannes von Ebersdorf   wrote:
>
>> No, it would just make it easier for Israel to exterminate them. It
>> has always been the Zionist intention to eliminate all non-Jews from
>> the area specified for the mythical kingdoms of David and Solomon.
>
>So that's why the Arab population both in and next to Israel
>increased by a factor of five since Israel was founded in 1948?

The Russian and Polish population in Israel increased even more.

>
>How many members of your family ended their life in a mental
>asylum?  I'm serious,  by the way.  You're crazy,  and from
>what you've written about your parents,  so were they.

Nobody from my family has ever needed psychiatric care. You're
essentially batting zero with your silly babble. You are simply the
object of laughter and derision.


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On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 17:03:30 +0000 (UTC), someone-who-knows
 wrote:

>In article <6s6v51F4he1sU1@mid.individual.net>,
>Heinrich  wrote:
>
>> But Gaza committed no crime against Israel. 
>
>Firing thousands of missiles at civilian targets is not a crime?

Israel managed to turn Lebanon into an orgy of civilian atrocities, so
why hypocritically whine about a few home-made rockets?


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On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 17:12:41 -0500, "Patrick Keenan" 
wrote:

>"Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message 
>news:aa2sl45phjuc7727voht2nipqaujqacibd@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 01 Jan 2009 20:32:27 -0500, Gord McFee 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On 1/1/2009 7:35 PM, B.H. Cramer wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Patrick Keenan"  wrote in message
>>>> news:FbOdnQUSxpVszMDUnZ2dnUVZ_oPinZ2d@supernews.com...
>>>>> "Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message
>>>>> news:qmhql41drnps4f1of5kj83tebokjmclbj9@4ax.com...
>>>>>> On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 22:14:42 +0200, "Toivo Kottarainen"
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is strange. You are talking about the trees instead of the
>>>>>>> forest.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You are talking about the bricks of the walls of Aushcwitz
>>>>>>> concentarion camp as if its relevance or meaning were in those
>>>>>>> stones. It was there and it is there. Its purpose was to kill
>>>>>>> jews and soviet prisoners of war and other unwanted people by
>>>>>>> heavy work, malnutrition and, indeed by gassing with cyanide.
>>>>>>> This is very well witnessed by survivors and the participants
>>>>>>> not to mention the head of the camp, Höss. You can deny bricks
>>>>>>> with this questinniable Leuchter report, but You cannot deny
>>>>>>> millions of bricks that represent all those people that died
>>>>>>> there.
>>>>>> The camp records say that approximately 78,000 people died at
>>>>>> Auschwitz.
>>>>> Yes, and those record *some* of those who died there.
>>>>
>>>> That's right. The other million or so (or whatever number the
>>>> industry has declared now) were offed as they stepped from the
>>>> trains.
>>>>
>>>> So much for German efficiency and their anal record keeping
>>>> fixations.
>>>
>>>Quite efficient actually.  Kill them and don't waste paper keeping
>>>statistics, since they already existed anyway.
>>
>> If what you say were true, they wouldn't have kept any records at all.
>
>I'm sure that the Nazi leadership would have appreciated your input.
>
>> Partial records are a waste of the effort needed to keep them.
>
>On the other hand, Hitler had learned not to keep records of orders when the 
>German population found out that he'd been killing German children in the 
>T-4 program.
>
>If you think that Germans kept meticulous records of *all* their activities, 
>then please show us the order from Hitler authorizing the invasion of 
>Russia.

Chancellors don't authorize invasions. Since this operation involved
more than 3.5 million front-line troops, it was obviously authorized
by the Reichstag or there wouldn't be any money for it.

>
>Now, though you snipped this a while ago, I pointed out that we do in fact 
>have records about those other people who arrived at the camps and were 
>summarily killed there.   They are the transport records of those who were 
>shipped in, and never left.
>
>Your imaginings don't affect the reality of what happened.
>
>
>-pk
>


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On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 21:00:43 +0000 (UTC), "I'll Always Be 02/01/09"
 wrote:

>Johannes von Ebersdorf  wrote in
>news:iihsl4dcphradfa8gq5janqa1tumpjdeus@4ax.com: 
>
>> On Fri, 02 Jan 2009 07:45:50 -0600, Sara Salzman
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>>In article ,
>>> Johannes von Ebersdorf  wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 00:13:22 -0500, "Patrick Keenan" 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> >"Kurt Knoll"  wrote in message 
>>>> >news:8Yq6l.385$PH1.21@edtnps82...
>>>> >> Get real Eugene was the room really big enough to hold 2000 Jews.
>>>> >> Is it also true it really took 15 minutes cremate a Jew. Can any
>>>> >> modern crematorium >
>>>> >
>>>> >And so we see that Kurt still doesn't know how to make a valid
>>>> >comparison either.
>>>> >
>>>> >Here's a hint, Kurt.   How many bodies to modern funeral crematory
>>>> >units hold at one time?
>>>> 
>>>> The commercial funeral equipment at the various camps was also
>>>> designed to deal with one body at a time. Mulitiple corpses in baffles
>>>> designed for one would dramatically slow things down, not speed them
>>>> up. Your various scenarios defy the laws of physics and chemistry, and
>>>> is one of the big reasons that I no longer believe your stories.
>>>> 
>>>
>>>But there's one little tiny detail you've failed to take into account: 
>>>the Nazis weren't interested in "cremation," by anyone's standards. They
>>>were incinerating bodies, not cremating them. Comparisons to modern 
>>>crematoriums isn't valid.
>> 
>> Incomplete cremation would leave a lot of residue in the form of bone
>> fragments, etc. resulting in rather more leftovers than the usual
>> kilogram and a half of mineral ash. Even if one assumes complete
>> cremation, the million people you claim were cremated would leave
>> mineral ashes amounting to 1500 tonnes, none of which has been found.
>> When you add to that fuel deliveries totally inadequate to the task
>> and crematorium operations (flames belching from chimneys) that defy
>> the laws of physics and chemistry, you have a story with lots and lots
>> of room for doubt.
>
>
>You just never learn, do you?
>
>Cremation is the act of reducing a corpse by burning, generally in a 
>crematorium furnace or crematory fire. Contrary to popular belief, the 
>remains are not ashes, but rather bone fragments which are then crushed in 
>a device called a cremulator. In funerals, cremation can be an alternative 
>funeral rite to the burial of a body in a grave.

There isn't anything new here. What is your point? The degree of
reduction to mineral ashes depends on how long the cremation process
was allowed to continue.

>
>
>> 
>> 
>>>> >
>>>> >-pk
>>>> >
>>>> >> Ps Non commercial crematorium do the same thing and waht was the
>>>> >> standard before 1945.
>>>> >> Kurt Knoll.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> "Eugene Holman"  wrote in message 
>>>> >> news:holman-3012080740420001@c518-m3.eng.helsinki.fi...
>>>> >>> In article , "Kurt Knoll"
>>>> >>>  wrote:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> Even if Leuchter would be the foremost expert you would be
>>>> >>>> discrediting him.
>>>> >>>> It is part of your Jewish diet.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Anybody can make a mistake, even an expert. Leuchter's mistake was
>>>> >>> quite simple and one that no expert would make: he worked on the
>>>> >>> assumption that
>>>> >>> a mass execution gas chamber has to be similar in form, design,
>>>> >>> and function to an American penal gas chamber. Even if confronted
>>>> >>> with a perfectly ordinary room, such as the auditorium at the
>>>> >>> Dubrovka Theater in
>>>> >>> Moscow where a terrorist attack in 2002 ended with a
>>>> >>> fast-operating anesthetic being introduced to the ambient air and
>>>> >>> more than 120 of the people trapped inside being killed by it, he
>>>> >>> would not regard the auditorium as a "gas chamber" because it
>>>> >>> lacks the formal attributes of an
>>>> >>> American penal gas chamber despite its having the same
>>>> >>> functionality from the standpoint of the victims. For details, see
>>>> >>> e.g. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow_theater_hostage_crisis.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Thus, everything reduces to definitions. The Nazis do not seem to
>>>> >>> have used anything resembling an American penal gas chamber to
>>>> >>> kill their victims at their death camps, but they *did* have
>>>> >>> structures that enabled them to kill large numbers of people by
>>>> >>> trapping them inside and then introducing poison gas to the air
>>>> >>> they were forced to breathe. Their objective was *not*, as
>>>> >>> erroneously assumed by Leuchter and Faurisson, to replicate an
>>>> >>> American penal gas chamber in form and design, but rather to 
>>>> >>> create and manage the conditions obtaining during a fatal gassing
>>>> >>> accident, thus replicating functionality only. In the most general
>>>> >>> sense a
>>>> >>> gas chamber is an enclosed structure that can be used to kill
>>>> >>> people by manipulating the content of the air anyone trapped
>>>> >>> inside is forced to breathe. Leuchter's arguments to the contrary,
>>>> >>> no engineering safety features, ocean-proof glass, or observance
>>>> >>> of California norms defining minimum floor space per executee to
>>>> >>> assure proper circulation of the lethal agent are necessary.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Everyone knows that fatal gassing accidents, sometimes involving
>>>> >>> dozens of
>>>> >>> people, take place in quite ordinary rooms, ship holds, garages,
>>>> >>> wells, mines, automobiles, cellars, kitchens, and living rooms. In
>>>> >>> 1995 terrorists in Japan managed to kill people in several Tokyo
>>>> >>> subway stations and trains, places that were not sealed and in
>>>> >>> which powerful ventilation systems were running, by introducing a
>>>> >>> sufficient amount of the nerve gas sarin to the ambient air to
>>>> >>> reach a lethal concentration. For details, see e.g.
>>>> >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarin_gas_attack_on_the_Tokyo_subway.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> 
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Regards,
>>>> >>> Eugene Holman
>>>> >>
>>>> >> 
>>>> >


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On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 16:56:25 -0500, "Patrick Keenan" 
wrote:

>"Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message 
>news:iihsl4dcphradfa8gq5janqa1tumpjdeus@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 02 Jan 2009 07:45:50 -0600, Sara Salzman
>>  wrote:
>>
>>>In article ,
>>> Johannes von Ebersdorf  wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 00:13:22 -0500, "Patrick Keenan" 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >"Kurt Knoll"  wrote in message
>>>> >news:8Yq6l.385$PH1.21@edtnps82...
>>>> >> Get real Eugene was the room really big enough to hold 2000 Jews. Is 
>>>> >> it
>>>> >> also true it really took 15 minutes cremate a Jew. Can any modern
>>>> >> crematorium >
>>>> >
>>>> >And so we see that Kurt still doesn't know how to make a valid 
>>>> >comparison
>>>> >either.
>>>> >
>>>> >Here's a hint, Kurt.   How many bodies to modern funeral crematory 
>>>> >units
>>>> >hold at one time?
>>>>
>>>> The commercial funeral equipment at the various camps was also
>>>> designed to deal with one body at a time. Mulitiple corpses in baffles
>>>> designed for one would dramatically slow things down, not speed them
>>>> up. Your various scenarios defy the laws of physics and chemistry, and
>>>> is one of the big reasons that I no longer believe your stories.
>>>>
>>>
>>>But there's one little tiny detail you've failed to take into account:
>>>the Nazis weren't interested in "cremation," by anyone's standards. They
>>>were incinerating bodies, not cremating them. Comparisons to modern
>>>crematoriums isn't valid.
>>
>> Incomplete cremation would leave a lot of residue in the form of bone
>> fragments, etc. resulting in rather more leftovers than the usual
>> kilogram and a half of mineral ash.
>
>As they say, so what?

The more than 1500 tonnes of ash and bone fragments were never found.

>
>The purpose was not to cremate the bodies to the minimum volume of ash.
>
>Comparisons to modern funeral crematory practices are not valid.
>
>I realize that you have to try to make the comparison as it's the best you 
>can do.
>
>
>> Even if one assumes complete
>> cremation, the million people you claim were cremated would leave
>> mineral ashes amounting to 1500 tonnes, none of which has been found.
>> When you add to that fuel deliveries totally inadequate to the task
>> and crematorium operations (flames belching from chimneys) that defy
>> the laws of physics and chemistry,
>
>If you think that flames from chimneys  "defy the laws of physics and 
>chemistry", you are very wrong, as Mr. Moran previously learned.
>
>If you look back, you will find Mr. Moran's encounter with Mr. Montesruc, an 
>engineer familiar with the subects of combustion and incineration, in which 
>it becomes apparent that the flaring in no way defies "the laws of physics 
>and chemistry".
>
>-pk
> 
>


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On Fri, 02 Jan 2009 22:28:02 +0200, holman@mappi.helsinki.fi (Eugene
Holman) wrote:

>In article ,
>ebersdorf@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
>> 
>> Why even bother to transport them in the first place? The stories
>> simply make no sense.
>
>Hams Scholl of *die weiße Rose* was a student of medicine in his eighth
>semester who had served the Reich treating wounded and dying soldiers in
>France as well as on the Eastern Front. The Reich had obviously invested a
>considerable amount in him, and he had begun to pay dividends on this
>investment. Nevertheless, instead of sentencing him to be a physician in a
>concentration camp or some other facility where the investment the Reich
>had mad in him could be recovered, he was sentneced to death for being
>involved in the opposition to the Hitler regime and beheaded, along with
>his sister and a fellow medical student, Christoph Probst, the same
>afternoon.
>
>Does that make sense?

What happened to the political opponents of Stalin? Why do you find
this type of thing surprising? It tends to be the nature of a
dictatorship.

>
>Regards,
>Eugene Holman


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On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 17:21:55 +0000 (UTC), someone-who-knows
 wrote:

>In article <477sl4h6pgrk5db345upfvk8pfii88jebg@4ax.com>,
>Johannes von Ebersdorf   wrote:
>
>> Since Israel believes in the "right of conquest",
>
>But Israel left both South Lebanon and Gaza.

Yes, but not willingly in the case of Lebanon and the departure from
Gaza was a deceptive farce.


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On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 18:35:44 +0100, "Heinrich" 
wrote:

>
>"Johannes von Ebersdorf"  schreef in bericht 
>news:vkisl41rd2e7glkoe0ietst4jpmg7pl5tf@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 13:16:15 +0100, "Heinrich" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"TallHenry"  schreef in bericht
>>>news:gjl0fv$po9$1@pcls4.std.com...
>>>>
>>>> In article <6s6efsF4d6rnU1@mid.individual.net>,
>>>> Heinrich  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>       Read the article;  the guy seems to have been a fucking loon. 
>>>>>> But
>>>>>> anyway,  hopefully we will soon kill real Nazis.
>>>>
>>>>> keep on dreaming jew cunt
>>>>
>>>> Why?  We killed you cocksucking Nazis before,  didn't we?  And we
>>>> didn't have H-bombs then.  Next time,  it will be much easier.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>as i toldyou in an earlie reply you better continue draming because you
>>>cannot face reality and start talking baby talk
>>
>> TallHenry is simply somebody who cannot organize himself to take his
>> psychiatric medications on a regular basis. The guy is obviously a few
>> sandwiches short of a picnic as they like to say in Canada.
>
>so you are from Canada, i regret to say that most fruitcakes in this 
>newsgroup are from your side of the ocean especially from cowboyland 

Please don't confuse Canada with the totally fucked up and ridiculous
USA. We share a continent, but the two societies are totally
different.


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On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 17:43:22 +0000 (UTC), a-little-sanity,  please
 wrote:

>In article ,
>Johannes von Ebersdorf   wrote:
>
>> Israel managed to turn Lebanon into an orgy of civilian atrocities, 
>
>No.  That was the PLO's work,  and later the Hezbollah's.

Oh tell me another funny. Israel was 100.0% the villain in the Lebanon
piece.


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On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 17:54:23 +0000 (UTC), a-little-sanity,  please
 wrote:

>In article <6s726sF4hlmuU1@mid.individual.net>,
>Heinrich  wrote:
>
>> "a-little-sanity"; "please"  schreef in bericht 
>> news:gjljnq$c85$1@pcls6.std.com...
>
>>> In article ,
>>> Johannes von Ebersdorf   wrote:
>
>>>> Israel managed to turn Lebanon into an orgy of civilian atrocities,
>
>>> No.  That was the PLO's work,  and later the Hezbollah's.
>
>> wrong again 
>
>Not wrong.  Lebanon was a peaceful country until invaded by
>the PLO barbarians.

Lebanon is a cobbled together state that is another disaster of
European colonialism, as is Israel, but in a different way.


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On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 11:53:17 -0800 (PST), george 
wrote:

>On Jan 3, 5:53 am, "Heinrich"  wrote:
>
>>
>> Gaza-2008-9 is very much like Dresden-1945. And as Dresden was annihilated
>> by the RAF toward the end of the Second World War, the 1.5 million
>> inhabitants of Gaza are being decapitated and thoroughly terrorized by the
>> Israeli army, the Wehrmacht of our time.
>
>be very very careful what you wish for.
>So far the Israeli have been very careful to bomb infrastructure and
>hamas.
>Dresden was where the Allies perfected the Fire-storm method of city
>destruction

That is why they needed a virgin target with lots of medieval
buildings. The best efforts of the allies were unable to set Berlin on
fire since the streets are too wide and the buildings too new. It is
interesting to note how you whine piteously about alleged jewish
suffering, but rejoice in allied atrocities. Clearly you are a
hypocrite.

>be very very careful what you wish for.


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On Sat, 03 Jan 2009 08:52:53 -0600, Sara Salzman
 wrote:

>In article <_LWdnRfHZ6aLfcPUnZ2dnUVZ_oHinZ2d@giganews.com>,
> "B.H. Cramer"  wrote:
>
>> "Sara Salzman"  wrote in message 
>> news:catamont-5C295D.21053802012009@news-40.giganews.com...
>> > In article ,
>> > Gord McFee  wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Sat, 3 Jan 2009 10:04:17 +1000, in
>> >> , "B.H. Cramer"
>> >>  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > "Patrick Keenan"  wrote in message
>> >> > news:zJ6dnU2fqYAXDMPUnZ2dnUVZ_hednZ2d@supernews.com...
>> >>
>> >> [...]
>> >>
>> >> > > Now, though you snipped this a while ago, I pointed out that we do in
>> >> > > fact
>> >> > > have records about those other people who arrived at the camps and 
>> >> > > were
>> >> > > summarily killed there.
>> >> >
>> >> > NO you don't.
>> >> >
>> >> > You SURMISE is all.
>> >> >
>> >> > You're a liar, keenan.
>> >>
>> >> That is the kind of thing you always say when you have no rebuttal.
>> >> And we all know (but you won't admit) why you have no rebuttal.  It's
>> >> because Mr Keenan is spot on.
>> >
>> > Mr. Cramer claimed to have read a copy of French Children of the
>> > Holocaust. It contains a very complete listing of all the French
>> > children who were sent to Auschwitz. Thousands of them.
>> 
>> How does that take away from the fact Keenan is a liar?
>
>I love it when you play at being stupid.
>
>You know damned well what it means. It means that thousands of children 
>arrived at Auschwitz, WERE NOT REGISTERED at Auschwitz, and were killed 
>at Auschwitz.

They could have simply passed through Auschwitz on their way to some
other location. The addition "and were killed at Auschwitz" is
unfounded supposition.

>
>It proves Mr. Keenan's point, and demonstrates that you are not being 
>honest.
>
>Hope that helps.
>
>Sara
>> 
>> 
>> >
>> > -- 
>> > "I don't know" can be a very bad answer when it is disingenuous.
>> > You can't answer "I don't know if that happened" about the Holocaust.
>> >
>> > - Penn Jillette, 7/3/08


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On Fri, 02 Jan 2009 20:56:40 -0500, Gord McFee 
wrote:

>On Fri, 02 Jan 2009 07:32:56 -0500, in
>, Johannes von Ebersdorf
> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 01 Jan 2009 20:32:27 -0500, Gord McFee 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> >On 1/1/2009 7:35 PM, B.H. Cramer wrote:
>> >
>> >> "Patrick Keenan"  wrote in message 
>> >> news:FbOdnQUSxpVszMDUnZ2dnUVZ_oPinZ2d@supernews.com...
>> >>> "Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message 
>> >>> news:qmhql41drnps4f1of5kj83tebokjmclbj9@4ax.com...
>> >>>> On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 22:14:42 +0200, "Toivo Kottarainen" 
>> >>>>  wrote:
>> >>>> 
>> >>>>> This is strange. You are talking about the trees instead of the
>> >>>>> forest.
>> >>>>> 
>> >>>>> You are talking about the bricks of the walls of Aushcwitz
>> >>>>> concentarion camp as if its relevance or meaning were in those
>> >>>>> stones. It was there and it is there. Its purpose was to kill
>> >>>>> jews and soviet prisoners of war and other unwanted people by
>> >>>>> heavy work, malnutrition and, indeed by gassing with cyanide.
>> >>>>> This is very well witnessed by survivors and the participants 
>> >>>>> not to mention the head of the camp, Höss. You can deny bricks
>> >>>>> with this questinniable Leuchter report, but You cannot deny
>> >>>>> millions of bricks that represent all those people that died
>> >>>>> there.
>> >>>> The camp records say that approximately 78,000 people died at 
>> >>>> Auschwitz.
>> >>> Yes, and those record *some* of those who died there.
>> >> 
>> >> That's right. The other million or so (or whatever number the
>> >> industry has declared now) were offed as they stepped from the
>> >> trains.
>> >> 
>> >> So much for German efficiency and their anal record keeping
>> >> fixations.
>> >
>> >Quite efficient actually.  Kill them and don't waste paper keeping
>> >statistics, since they already existed anyway.
>> 
>> If what you say were true, they wouldn't have kept any records at all.
>
>Not at all.  They didn't need to keep records of the people killed
>upon arrival because they already had the transportation records

Only, the Reichsbahn didn't apparently keep any records either, since
much of what you claim as documentation simply doesn't exist.

You claim that the Reichsbahn transported millions of people to
Auschwitz. The Reichsbahn doesn't transport anything or anybody for
free, and there appears to be dramatically lacking documentation of
the payments for these alleged transports.

Similarly, the coal and fuel transports to Auschwitz are totally
inadequate to the task of cremating the huge numbers of people you
claim were cremated.

No matter where one looks, there are huge holes and gaps in the
holocaust™ story.

> and
>that would have been needless duplication in the case of people who
>were dead.  But they did need to keep records for the people who were
>admitted to the  camp and registered, and required to carry out
>various functions.


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On Fri, 02 Jan 2009 21:00:35 -0500, Gord McFee 
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>On Fri, 02 Jan 2009 07:31:29 -0500, in
><342sl4pd9c1o02nqgt61sv8hds5et92rtq@4ax.com>, Johannes von Ebersdorf
> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 18:29:05 -0500, "Patrick Keenan" 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> >"Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message 
>> >news:qmhql41drnps4f1of5kj83tebokjmclbj9@4ax.com...
>> >> On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 22:14:42 +0200, "Toivo Kottarainen"
>> >>  wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>This is strange. You are talking about the trees instead of the forest.
>> >>>
>> >>>You are talking about the bricks of the walls of Aushcwitz concentarion 
>> >>>camp
>> >>>as if its relevance or meaning were in those stones. It was there and it 
>> >>>is
>> >>>there. Its purpose was to kill jews and soviet prisoners of war and other
>> >>>unwanted people by heavy work, malnutrition and, indeed by gassing with
>> >>>cyanide. This is very well witnessed by survivors and the participants not
>> >>>to mention the head of the camp, Höss. You can deny bricks with this
>> >>>questinniable Leuchter report, but You cannot deny millions of bricks that
>> >>>represent all those people that died there.
>> >>
>> >> The camp records say that approximately 78,000 people died at
>> >> Auschwitz.
>> >
>> >Yes, and those record *some* of those who died there.
>> 
>> If THAT were the case, then it wouldn't make any sense to keep ANY
>> records at all. This stuff was never intended to fall into allied
>> hands, so why would anybody keep deliberately incomplete or falsified
>> records for themselves?
>> 
>> Accurate record-keeping has been a kind of religion for German
>> governments for centuries. What you are suggesting is well beyond the
>> pale of probability.
>
>They kept records of the individuals for whom it made some sense to
>keep records, i.e., those admitted to the camp and registered.  It did
>not make sense to keep records for the people killed upon arrival
>because (1) they were dead and (2) the transportation records already
>existed.

That would be somewhat convincing except for the fact that the
Reichsbahn didn't get paid for the alleged transports, and believe me,
the Reichsbahn was not in the habit of transporting anything for
nothing.

Besides, Reichsbahn records would be of no use to the people
organizing the camps. They would have kept their own records. The
holocaust™ bunch alternately claims that the German authorities kept
meticulous records or that they were the world's most slovenly inept
record-keepers on earth on a par with Uganda during the reign of Idi
Amin, all depending on their needs at the time. 



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On Sat, 03 Jan 2009 09:04:08 +0200, holman@mappi.helsinki.fi (Eugene
Holman) wrote:

>In article <0aitl4tqk3k0ct2p9q3rt34s0hk6qjo4bk@4ax.com>,
>ebersdorf@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 02 Jan 2009 22:28:02 +0200, holman@mappi.helsinki.fi (Eugene
>> Holman) wrote:
>> 
>> >In article ,
>> >ebersdorf@gmail.com wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >> 
>> >> Why even bother to transport them in the first place? The stories
>> >> simply make no sense.
>> >
>> >Hams Scholl of *die weiße Rose* was a student of medicine in his eighth
>> >semester who had served the Reich treating wounded and dying soldiers in
>> >France as well as on the Eastern Front. The Reich had obviously invested a
>> >considerable amount in him, and he had begun to pay dividends on this
>> >investment. Nevertheless, instead of sentencing him to be a physician in a
>> >concentration camp or some other facility where the investment the Reich
>> >had mad in him could be recovered, he was sentneced to death for being
>> >involved in the opposition to the Hitler regime and beheaded, along with
>> >his sister and a fellow medical student, Christoph Probst, the same
>> >afternoon.
>> >
>> >Does that make sense?
>> 
>> What happened to the political opponents of Stalin? 
>
>They were typically sent off to the gulag to work as slave labor, many of
>them eventually dying of overwork and abuse. But we are not talking about
>Stalin, who had enough manpower and allies to sustain more than 25,000,000
>deaths and still crush Nazi Germany. Nazi Germany was notoriously short of
>manpower, resources, and allies of substance right from the beginning.

That is exactly why I take the allied version of WW2 with a large
grain of salt. WW2 was an allied project, not a German one.

> Its
>only chance of winning the war would have been for the USSR to be as
>successfully blitzed as Poland was, during the roughly eight weeks between
>June 22 and mid-August, when north-western Russia has the first night
>frosts.

That is nonsense. The USSR had three times the population of Germany,
whereas Poland was a relative light-weight at half the population of
Germany. The USSR was attacked because the German authorities believed
that there was no other choice. The foreign minister, von Ribbentrop
returned from a meeting with his Soviet counterpart, Molotov,
convinced that the USSR was planning an invasion of Germany for July.
The German invasion in June was an attempt to pre-empt that
possibility.

>
>> Why do you find this type of thing surprising? It tends to be the nature of a
>> dictatorship.
>
>I find it surprising that Nazi Germany would simply kill off people in
>whom it had made such an investment. But then again, it is consistent with
>their practice elsewhere and is one of the main reasons that they lost the
>war.

No, Eugene, they lost the war because it was a country of 84 million
residents fighting against a world coalition with more than 1250
million inhbitants and virtually endless amounts of resources. Germany
was attacked by Britain and France, not the other way around.
Virtually all of Germany's actions were reactions to the initiatives
of somebody else. It certainly wasn't Hitler or his National
Socialists who controlled the timetable of WW2.

> Their strategy was to move into a place and complain that the Jews
>dominated professions such as medicine and dentistry. They passed laws
>forbidding these people from practicing on anyone but Jews , eventually
>rounding up these Jewish physicians and dentists, and killing them, hence
>producing a severe shortage of physicians and dentists. Killing off
>non-Jews in the last stage of qualifying to fill these vacant positions
>just because of their political beliefs makes absolutely no sense and is
>stupider than stupid. 
>
>Regards,
>Egene Holman


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On Sat, 3 Jan 2009 09:30:27 +0000 (UTC), "I'll Always Be 03/01/09"
 wrote:

>"Kurt Knoll"  wrote in
>news:rwE7l.1941$PH1.1259@edtnps82: 
>
>> Eugene are you proud of how the Jews want to exterminate the
>> Palestinians who have lived there for the last 2000 years.
>
>
>Are you proud of how the palestinians want to exterminate the Jews who 
>have lived there for the last 2000 years?
>
>
> Up until 1880
>> there were next to no Jews in Palestine.
>
>
>Which means, and thank you for proving this, that up until there were in 
>fact Jews living there.

Yes, there were indeed a FEW Jews living in Palestine in 1850, but no
Russians or Poles, the contingent that makes up the bulk of today's
Israeli population.

>
> Let us know where all of them
>> came from. Is it not the coal of Israel to drive the Palestinians of
>> their homeland.
>
>It's not the palis homeland, you've proved that Jews have been there for 
>2000 years
>
>
> Is America proud to supply all the killing machines to
>> Israel. Kurt Knoll.
>
>
>Are you proud of the little pali boys that strap on explosives and blow up 
>school busses?
>
>
>> 
>> "Eugene Holman"  wrote in message 
>> news:holman-0301090904080001@ke-hupnet233-25.hupnet.helsinki.fi...
>>> In article <0aitl4tqk3k0ct2p9q3rt34s0hk6qjo4bk@4ax.com>,
>>> ebersdorf@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 02 Jan 2009 22:28:02 +0200, holman@mappi.helsinki.fi (Eugene
>>>> Holman) wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >In article ,
>>>> >ebersdorf@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Why even bother to transport them in the first place? The stories
>>>> >> simply make no sense.
>>>> >
>>>> >Hams Scholl of *die weiße Rose* was a student of medicine in his
>>>> >eighth semester who had served the Reich treating wounded and dying
>>>> >soldiers in France as well as on the Eastern Front. The Reich had
>>>> >obviously invested a
>>>> >considerable amount in him, and he had begun to pay dividends on this
>>>> >investment. Nevertheless, instead of sentencing him to be a physician
>>>> >in a
>>>> >concentration camp or some other facility where the investment the
>>>> >Reich had mad in him could be recovered, he was sentneced to death
>>>> >for being involved in the opposition to the Hitler regime and
>>>> >beheaded, along with his sister and a fellow medical student,
>>>> >Christoph Probst, the same afternoon.
>>>> >
>>>> >Does that make sense?
>>>>
>>>> What happened to the political opponents of Stalin?
>>>
>>> They were typically sent off to the gulag to work as slave labor, many
>>> of them eventually dying of overwork and abuse. But we are not talking
>>> about Stalin, who had enough manpower and allies to sustain more than
>>> 25,000,000 deaths and still crush Nazi Germany. Nazi Germany was
>>> notoriously short of manpower, resources, and allies of substance right
>>> from the beginning. Its only chance of winning the war would have been
>>> for the USSR to be as successfully blitzed as Poland was, during the
>>> roughly eight weeks between June 22 and mid-August, when north-western
>>> Russia has the first night frosts.
>>>
>>>> Why do you find this type of thing surprising? It tends to be the
>>>> nature of a
>>>> dictatorship.
>>>
>>> I find it surprising that Nazi Germany would simply kill off people in
>>> whom it had made such an investment. But then again, it is consistent
>>> with their practice elsewhere and is one of the main reasons that they
>>> lost the war. Their strategy was to move into a place and complain that
>>> the Jews dominated professions such as medicine and dentistry. They
>>> passed laws forbidding these people from practicing on anyone but Jews
>>> , eventually rounding up these Jewish physicians and dentists, and
>>> killing them, hence producing a severe shortage of physicians and
>>> dentists. Killing off non-Jews in the last stage of qualifying to fill
>>> these vacant positions just because of their political beliefs makes
>>> absolutely no sense and is stupider than stupid.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Egene Holman 
>> 
>> 
>> 


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On Sat, 03 Jan 2009 16:02:03 +0200, holman@mappi.helsinki.fi (Eugene
Holman) wrote:

>In article , "Kurt Knoll"
> wrote:
>
>> Eugene are you proud of how the Jews want to exterminate the Palestinians 
>> who have lived there for the last 2000 years. 
>
>Kurt, you are changing the subject.
>
>> Up until 1880 there were next 
>> to no Jews in Palestine. Let us know where all of them came from. Is it not 
>> the coal of Israel to drive the Palestinians of their homeland. Is America 
>> proud to supply all the killing machines to Israel.
>
>
>There has always been some type of Jewish presence in the region,
>Jerusalem being what it is.  I am on record here as having said that, for
>the most part, I disapprove of Israeli policy towards the Palestinians.
>Israel does, howver, have the right to defend itself.

There have been a few people of Chinese extraction in southern Ontario
for quite a long time also, but they have not made any attempt to
import Chinese people in such numbers as to overthrow the local order
and establish a state in southern Ontario dedicated to people who are
ethnically Chinese. That scenario is exactly what happened in
Palestine. The indigenous people were swamped by European
colonialists, mainly from Russia and Poland, who have used their
artificially created majority to impose an alien state on the local
people. 

>
>Regards,
>Eugene Holman


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On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 20:47:25 -0800 (PST), mirjam@actcom.co.il wrote:

>On Jan 3, 4:18 am, Johannes von Ebersdorf  wrote:
>> On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 17:43:22 +0000 (UTC), a-little-sanity,  please
>>
>>  wrote:
>> >In article ,
>> >Johannes von Ebersdorf   wrote:
>>
>> >> Israel managed to turn Lebanon into an orgy of civilian atrocities,
>>
>> >No.  That was the PLO's work,  and later the Hezbollah's.
>>
>> Oh tell me another funny. Israel was 100.0% the villain in the Lebanon
>> piece.
>
>Israel was attacked , by Bombing as well as attackcs from the sea , +
>the Christian people in the south Begged Isreal for help ,
>mirjam

The Slovaks asked Hitler for help against the Czechs. I've seen these
lines before.



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On Sat, 03 Jan 2009 04:19:25 GMT, "Kurt Knoll" 
wrote:

>How many hospital in Germany destruct.

Don't confuse "I'll always be here" with facts. The fact is that
neither Guernica or Warsaw or even London amount to a blip on the
screen compared to allied anti-civilian work. To mention them in the
same sentence as Hamburg, Dresden, or Köln is itself an exercise in
deception. Much of the damage in Warsaw was done by the Communists
(read allies) during the final stages of WW2, and not by any bombing.


>Kurt Knoll
>
>"I'll Always Be 02/01/09"  wrote in message 
>news:Xns9B87BDB594BA9Theonlyonethatcares@87.106.137.111...
>> Johannes von Ebersdorf  wrote in
>> news:ptitl49uqkjjh6cgt7un2bm7ohmrmm7ql4@4ax.com:
>>
>>> On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 11:53:17 -0800 (PST), george 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Jan 3, 5:53 am, "Heinrich"  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Gaza-2008-9 is very much like Dresden-1945. And as Dresden was
>>>>> annihilated by the RAF toward the end of the Second World War, the 1.5
>>>>> million inhabitants of Gaza are being decapitated and thoroughly
>>>>> terrorized by the Israeli army, the Wehrmacht of our time.
>>>>
>>>>be very very careful what you wish for.
>>>>So far the Israeli have been very careful to bomb infrastructure and
>>>>hamas.
>>>>Dresden was where the Allies perfected the Fire-storm method of city
>>>>destruction
>>>
>>> That is why they needed a virgin target with lots of medieval
>>> buildings. The best efforts of the allies were unable to set Berlin on
>>> fire since the streets are too wide and the buildings too new. It is
>>> interesting to note how you whine piteously about alleged jewish
>>> suffering, but rejoice in allied atrocities. Clearly you are a
>>> hypocrite.
>>
>> What atrocity are yo talking about? The one in Guernica when the Condor
>> Legion bombed innocent Spanish civilians or the one where the germans
>> bombed the hospitals in Warsaw
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>>be very very careful what you wish for.
>>>
>> 
>


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On Sat, 3 Jan 2009 09:22:56 +0000 (UTC), "I'll Always Be 03/01/09"
 wrote:

>"Heinrich"  wrote in news:6s8dgaF4ocsdU1
>@mid.individual.net:
>
>> Remi Kanazi
>
>Yet another nazi

No, jackass, you have that market cornered.


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On Sat, 3 Jan 2009 14:25:29 -0500, "Patrick Keenan" 
wrote:

>"Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message 
>news:0mcvl4ti22irrdk63if5739sn6tdejj7i6@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 03 Jan 2009 08:52:53 -0600, Sara Salzman
>>  wrote:
>>
>>>In article <_LWdnRfHZ6aLfcPUnZ2dnUVZ_oHinZ2d@giganews.com>,
>>> "B.H. Cramer"  wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Sara Salzman"  wrote in message
>>>> news:catamont-5C295D.21053802012009@news-40.giganews.com...
>>>> > In article ,
>>>> > Gord McFee  wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> On Sat, 3 Jan 2009 10:04:17 +1000, in
>>>> >> , "B.H. Cramer"
>>>> >>  wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> > "Patrick Keenan"  wrote in message
>>>> >> > news:zJ6dnU2fqYAXDMPUnZ2dnUVZ_hednZ2d@supernews.com...
>>>> >>
>>>> >> [...]
>>>> >>
>>>> >> > > Now, though you snipped this a while ago, I pointed out that we 
>>>> >> > > do in
>>>> >> > > fact
>>>> >> > > have records about those other people who arrived at the camps 
>>>> >> > > and
>>>> >> > > were
>>>> >> > > summarily killed there.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > NO you don't.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > You SURMISE is all.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > You're a liar, keenan.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> That is the kind of thing you always say when you have no rebuttal.
>>>> >> And we all know (but you won't admit) why you have no rebuttal.  It's
>>>> >> because Mr Keenan is spot on.
>>>> >
>>>> > Mr. Cramer claimed to have read a copy of French Children of the
>>>> > Holocaust. It contains a very complete listing of all the French
>>>> > children who were sent to Auschwitz. Thousands of them.
>>>>
>>>> How does that take away from the fact Keenan is a liar?
>>>
>>>I love it when you play at being stupid.
>>>
>>>You know damned well what it means. It means that thousands of children
>>>arrived at Auschwitz, WERE NOT REGISTERED at Auschwitz, and were killed
>>>at Auschwitz.
>>
>> They could have simply passed through Auschwitz on their way to some
>> other location.
>
>In which case there would be records of them leaving.

Why would they record them leaving if they didn't bother with
recording their arrival?

>
>> The addition "and were killed at Auschwitz" is
>> unfounded supposition.
>
>If you belive that, then by all means, produce the transit records showing 
>that they went elsewhere.

There are few, if any, transit records showing their arrival. It is
all unfounded supposition. The basic holocaust™ paradigm is that
anybody in Europe whose fate is unknown died at Auschwitz. That is the
ultimate foundation of the myth and cult pushed by the holocaust™
industry.

>
>-pk
>
>
>>
>>>
>>>It proves Mr. Keenan's point, and demonstrates that you are not being
>>>honest.
>>>
>>>Hope that helps.
>>>
>>>Sara
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>> > -- 
>>>> > "I don't know" can be a very bad answer when it is disingenuous.
>>>> > You can't answer "I don't know if that happened" about the Holocaust.
>>>> >
>>>> > - Penn Jillette, 7/3/08 
>


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On Sat, 03 Jan 2009 18:10:23 GMT, "Kurt Knoll" 
wrote:

>
>"Eugene Holman"  wrote in message 
>news:holman-0301091602030001@ke-hupnet233-25.hupnet.helsinki.fi...
>> In article , "Kurt Knoll"
>>  wrote:
>>
>>> Eugene are you proud of how the Jews want to exterminate the Palestinians
>>> who have lived there for the last 2000 years.
>>
>> Kurt, you are changing the subject.
>>
>>> Up until 1880 there were next
>>> to no Jews in Palestine. Let us know where all of them came from. Is it 
>>> not
>>> the coal of Israel to drive the Palestinians of their homeland. Is 
>>> America
>>> proud to supply all the killing machines to Israel.
>> 
>>
>> There has always been some type of Jewish presence in the region,
>> Jerusalem being what it is.  I am on record here as having said that, for
>> the most part, I disapprove of Israeli policy towards the Palestinians.
>> Israel does, howver, have the right to defend itself.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Eugene Holman
>
>Look at it this way, the Palestinians have lived there for the last 2000 
>years and the Jews are returning after 2000 years. Who gives them right to 
>drive the Palestinian their homeland.

If you've been listening to some of the participants on this
newsgroup, it is because they regard jews as more important than
others.

>Kurt Knoll.
>


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On Sat, 3 Jan 2009 14:40:35 -0500, "Patrick Keenan" 
wrote:

>"Kurt Knoll"  wrote in message 
>news:jSN7l.1233$Db2.706@edtnps83...
>>
>> "Eugene Holman"  wrote in message 
>> news:holman-0301091602030001@ke-hupnet233-25.hupnet.helsinki.fi...
>>> In article , "Kurt Knoll"
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Eugene are you proud of how the Jews want to exterminate the 
>>>> Palestinians
>>>> who have lived there for the last 2000 years.
>>>
>>> Kurt, you are changing the subject.
>>>
>>>> Up until 1880 there were next
>>>> to no Jews in Palestine. Let us know where all of them came from. Is it 
>>>> not
>>>> the coal of Israel to drive the Palestinians of their homeland. Is 
>>>> America
>>>> proud to supply all the killing machines to Israel.
>>> 
>>>
>>> There has always been some type of Jewish presence in the region,
>>> Jerusalem being what it is.  I am on record here as having said that, for
>>> the most part, I disapprove of Israeli policy towards the Palestinians.
>>> Israel does, howver, have the right to defend itself.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Eugene Holman
>>
>> Look at it this way, the Palestinians have lived there for the last 2000 
>> years
>
>So did Jews.
>
>But it was never "Palestinian" land; it was Roman or Ottoman.

No, they were just some more conquistadors who came and went over the
centuries. What they stole wasn't theirs. They just exercised the
totally bankrupt "might is right" philosophy.

>
>> and the Jews are returning after 2000 years. Who gives them right to drive 
>> the Palestinian their homeland.
>
>Kurt, the Palestinians could have had a state in 1948.   Everything was in 
>place, but their Arab "brethren", for political reasons, refused to allow 
>them to have it.
>
>There's a good argument that the Arab states have more responsibility for 
>the tragedy of the Palestinians than anyone else.
>
>-pk
>
>> Kurt Knoll.
>>
>> 
>


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On Sat, 3 Jan 2009 11:45:40 -0800 (PST), Bent Attorney
 wrote:

>On Jan 2, 9:16 pm, Johannes von Ebersdorf  wrote:
>> On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 18:35:44 +0100, "Heinrich" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >"Johannes von Ebersdorf"  schreef in bericht
>> >news:vkisl41rd2e7glkoe0ietst4jpmg7pl5tf@4ax.com...
>> >> On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 13:16:15 +0100, "Heinrich" 
>> >> wrote:
>>
>> >>>"TallHenry"  schreef in bericht
>> >>>news:gjl0fv$po9$1@pcls4.std.com...
>>
>> >>>> In article <6s6efsF4d6r...@mid.individual.net>,
>> >>>> Heinrich  wrote:
>>
>> >>>>>>       Read the article;  the guy seems to have been a fucking loon.
>> >>>>>> But
>> >>>>>> anyway,  hopefully we will soon kill real Nazis.
>>
>> >>>>> keep on dreaming jew cunt
>>
>> >>>> Why?  We killed you cocksucking Nazis before,  didn't we?  And we
>> >>>> didn't have H-bombs then.  Next time,  it will be much easier.
>>
>> >>>as i toldyou in an earlie reply you better continue draming because you
>> >>>cannot face reality and start talking baby talk
>>
>> >> TallHenry is simply somebody who cannot organize himself to take his
>> >> psychiatric medications on a regular basis. The guy is obviously a few
>> >> sandwiches short of a picnic as they like to say in Canada.
>>
>> >so you are from Canada, i regret to say that most fruitcakes in this
>> >newsgroup are from your side of the ocean especially from cowboyland
>>
>> Please don't confuse Canada with the totally fucked up and ridiculous
>> USA. We share a continent, but the two societies are totally
>> different.
>
>Canadians are mostly OK.  Beware the Newfoundlander though.  When the
>Newfie fisherman goes on holidays what does he do?  He goes fishing.

What else is there to do in Newfoundland?  LOL


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On Sat, 3 Jan 2009 21:32:11 +0000 (UTC), a-little-sanity,  please
 wrote:

>In article <0mcvl4ti22irrdk63if5739sn6tdejj7i6@4ax.com>,
>Johannes von Ebersdorf   wrote:
>
>> They could have simply passed through Auschwitz on their way to some
>> other location. 
>
>430,000 Hungarian Jews were deported to Auschwitz in the summer
>of 1944.  Since entire populations were deported,  about
>100,000 of them were children.  What happened to these
>children?

If they went to Auschwitz, why do U.S. military photographs of the
region taken during the time-frame in question not show any trace of
them?


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On Sat, 3 Jan 2009 15:00:46 -0500, "Patrick Keenan" 
wrote:

>"Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message 
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>> On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 17:12:41 -0500, "Patrick Keenan" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>"Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message
>>>news:aa2sl45phjuc7727voht2nipqaujqacibd@4ax.com...
>>>> On Thu, 01 Jan 2009 20:32:27 -0500, Gord McFee 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On 1/1/2009 7:35 PM, B.H. Cramer wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Patrick Keenan"  wrote in message
>>>>>> news:FbOdnQUSxpVszMDUnZ2dnUVZ_oPinZ2d@supernews.com...
>>>>>>> "Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:qmhql41drnps4f1of5kj83tebokjmclbj9@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>> On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 22:14:42 +0200, "Toivo Kottarainen"
>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This is strange. You are talking about the trees instead of the
>>>>>>>>> forest.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You are talking about the bricks of the walls of Aushcwitz
>>>>>>>>> concentarion camp as if its relevance or meaning were in those
>>>>>>>>> stones. It was there and it is there. Its purpose was to kill
>>>>>>>>> jews and soviet prisoners of war and other unwanted people by
>>>>>>>>> heavy work, malnutrition and, indeed by gassing with cyanide.
>>>>>>>>> This is very well witnessed by survivors and the participants
>>>>>>>>> not to mention the head of the camp, Höss. You can deny bricks
>>>>>>>>> with this questinniable Leuchter report, but You cannot deny
>>>>>>>>> millions of bricks that represent all those people that died
>>>>>>>>> there.
>>>>>>>> The camp records say that approximately 78,000 people died at
>>>>>>>> Auschwitz.
>>>>>>> Yes, and those record *some* of those who died there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's right. The other million or so (or whatever number the
>>>>>> industry has declared now) were offed as they stepped from the
>>>>>> trains.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So much for German efficiency and their anal record keeping
>>>>>> fixations.
>>>>>
>>>>>Quite efficient actually.  Kill them and don't waste paper keeping
>>>>>statistics, since they already existed anyway.
>>>>
>>>> If what you say were true, they wouldn't have kept any records at all.
>>>
>>>I'm sure that the Nazi leadership would have appreciated your input.
>>>
>>>> Partial records are a waste of the effort needed to keep them.
>>>
>>>On the other hand, Hitler had learned not to keep records of orders when 
>>>the
>>>German population found out that he'd been killing German children in the
>>>T-4 program.
>>>
>>>If you think that Germans kept meticulous records of *all* their 
>>>activities,
>>>then please show us the order from Hitler authorizing the invasion of
>>>Russia.
>>
>> Chancellors don't authorize invasions.
>
>Chancellors are also not dictators.
>
>> Since this operation involved
>> more than 3.5 million front-line troops, it was obviously authorized
>> by the Reichstag  or there wouldn't be any money for it.
>
>Perhaps you are unaware of Hitler's role in the German military.

No, I'm not unaware of how the German government works. Hitler may
have been a dictator, but nothing he did negated the powers of the
Reichstag and Reichsrat, which controlled the purse strings.

>
>I would suggest that you educate yourself as to what his role actually was.

LOL  You are so pompous and condescending that it is funny.

>
>In  the meantime, you can also produce the orders originating the 
>authorisation of the invasion of Russia.

The general staff would have produced a recommendation to this effect.
No order from Hitler was required. The foreign minister was convinced
that Stalin was going to attack Germany by July of 1941, in which case
no "order" by the Chancellor would have been required.

>
>-pk
>
>>
>>>
>>>Now, though you snipped this a while ago, I pointed out that we do in fact
>>>have records about those other people who arrived at the camps and were
>>>summarily killed there.   They are the transport records of those who were
>>>shipped in, and never left.
>>>
>>>Your imaginings don't affect the reality of what happened.
>>>
>>>
>>>-pk
>>> 
>


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On Sat, 3 Jan 2009 21:33:46 +0000 (UTC), a-little-sanity,  please
 wrote:

>In article ,
>Johannes von Ebersdorf   wrote:
>
>> You claim that the Reichsbahn transported millions of people to
>> Auschwitz.
>
>Including 430,000 Hungarian Jews in the summer of 1944:
>
>http://www.auschwitz.org.pl/html/de/aktualnosci/news.php?rok=1999

Why did American military photographs show no sign of them?


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On Sat, 3 Jan 2009 14:36:31 -0500, "Patrick Keenan" 
wrote:

>"Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message 
>news:72dvl4pu5m8f7umjnfqs049m52orlht4fh@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 02 Jan 2009 21:00:35 -0500, Gord McFee 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On Fri, 02 Jan 2009 07:31:29 -0500, in
>>><342sl4pd9c1o02nqgt61sv8hds5et92rtq@4ax.com>, Johannes von Ebersdorf
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 18:29:05 -0500, "Patrick Keenan" 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >"Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message
>>>> >news:qmhql41drnps4f1of5kj83tebokjmclbj9@4ax.com...
>>>> >> On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 22:14:42 +0200, "Toivo Kottarainen"
>>>> >>  wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>>This is strange. You are talking about the trees instead of the 
>>>> >>>forest.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>You are talking about the bricks of the walls of Aushcwitz 
>>>> >>>concentarion
>>>> >>>camp
>>>> >>>as if its relevance or meaning were in those stones. It was there and 
>>>> >>>it
>>>> >>>is
>>>> >>>there. Its purpose was to kill jews and soviet prisoners of war and 
>>>> >>>other
>>>> >>>unwanted people by heavy work, malnutrition and, indeed by gassing 
>>>> >>>with
>>>> >>>cyanide. This is very well witnessed by survivors and the 
>>>> >>>participants not
>>>> >>>to mention the head of the camp, Höss. You can deny bricks with this
>>>> >>>questinniable Leuchter report, but You cannot deny millions of bricks 
>>>> >>>that
>>>> >>>represent all those people that died there.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> The camp records say that approximately 78,000 people died at
>>>> >> Auschwitz.
>>>> >
>>>> >Yes, and those record *some* of those who died there.
>>>>
>>>> If THAT were the case, then it wouldn't make any sense to keep ANY
>>>> records at all. This stuff was never intended to fall into allied
>>>> hands, so why would anybody keep deliberately incomplete or falsified
>>>> records for themselves?
>>>>
>>>> Accurate record-keeping has been a kind of religion for German
>>>> governments for centuries. What you are suggesting is well beyond the
>>>> pale of probability.
>>>
>>>They kept records of the individuals for whom it made some sense to
>>>keep records, i.e., those admitted to the camp and registered.  It did
>>>not make sense to keep records for the people killed upon arrival
>>>because (1) they were dead and (2) the transportation records already
>>>existed.
>>
>> That would be somewhat convincing except for the fact that the
>> Reichsbahn didn't get paid for the alleged transports,
>
>How do you know this?   Have you examined the records?
>
>They do exist and can be examined, you know.   That's part of how we know 
>how many were sent into the camps and never left.
>
>> and believe me,
>
>Why on earth would *anyone* believe you?
>
>> the Reichsbahn was not in the habit of transporting anything for
>> nothing.
>>
>> Besides, Reichsbahn records would be of no use to the people
>> organizing the camps.
>
>But they are of use to us, and they are available to scholars. 

That is nonsense. Much of the material consists of pretty clumsy
forgeries. I've seen too many Nuremberg "documents" obviously typed on
American typewriters on non-standard paper to be impressed with
anything that was ever in the hands of the allies.

We do have freedom of religion, so you're entitled to believe whatever
you want, and I'm also entitled to reject your beliefs.


>   These 
>records have informed us of the people who arrived at the camps, and never 
>left.
>
>> They would have kept their own records.
>
>And there was no need to record those who were not added to the camp 
>population.
>
>Those who were selected for death as they came off the trains were not added 
>to the camp populations.
>
>
>> The
>> holocaustT bunch alternately claims that the German authorities kept
>> meticulous records or that they were the world's most slovenly inept
>> record-keepers on earth
>
>Again, you are incorrect.   The Germans did keep meticulous records.  And 
>there are massive amounts of records that have survived; they could not 
>destroy them all as they lost the war.   That fact is why we have so many of 
>them, and why the Bad Arolson archives contain around 26 km of records.
>
>In some cases, orders were not written, in particular orders that directed 
>commission of criminal acts.   This is what Hitler learned when the German 
>population discovered that he had been murdering German children in the T-4 
>program.
>
>-pk
>
>
>> on a par with Uganda during the reign of Idi
>> Amin, all depending on their needs at the time.
>> 
>


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On Sat, 3 Jan 2009 21:28:47 +0000 (UTC), someone-who-knows
 wrote:

>In article ,
>Johannes von Ebersdorf   wrote:
>
>> The more than 1500 tonnes of ash and bone fragments were never found.
>
>Such a tiresome,  lying fool you are.

You are the fool. I ask about ashes at Auschwitz, and you babble on
about mass graves (which wouldn't even be required if the people were
cremated) at some other location. You are clearly a jackass who knows
little about anything, despite your stupid pseudonym.

>
>   http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/1673471.stm
>
>   Mass graves found at Nazi camp
>Researchers have discovered seven mass graves at the Sobibor Nazi
>death camp in north-eastern Poland.
>
>   The research team,  which began its government-sponsored investigation
>in the summer,  said the graves -- the largest of which is about half
>the size of a football pitch -- contain charred remains.
>
>   
>
>   A very elaborate study of the mass graves in the Belzec death camp was 
>conducted a few years ago by a team of Polish archaeologists,  headed by
>Prof. Andrzej Kola from the University of Torun in Poland,  who is the
>author of more than 130 papers on archaeology.  The team studied the site
>of the death camp,  drilling 1,700 bore holes and investigating the core 
>samples.  The results are summarized in an 84 page report (ANDRZEJ KOLA: 
>"BELZEC.  THE NAZI CAMP FOR JEWS IN THE LIGHT OF ARCHAEOLOGICAL SOURCES. 
>Excavations 1997-1999".  ISBN 83-905590-6-4).  The study has recovered 
>human remains over a very large area,  to a depth of up to six meters. 
>The minimal estimate to the volume of the graves is 21,000 cubic meters.
>


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On Sat, 3 Jan 2009 21:32:57 +0000 (UTC), "I'll Always Be 03/01/09"
 wrote:

>"Kurt Knoll"  wrote in news:IRI7l.1189$Db2.333
>@edtnps83:
>
>> 
>> "I'll Always Be 03/01/09"  wrote in message 
>> news:Xns9B88F542C0C3Theonlyonethatcares@87.106.137.111...
>>> "Kurt Knoll"  wrote in
>>> news:rwE7l.1941$PH1.1259@edtnps82:
>>>
>>>> Eugene are you proud of how the Jews want to exterminate the
>>>> Palestinians who have lived there for the last 2000 years.
>>>
>>>
>>> Are you proud of how the palestinians want to exterminate the Jews who
>>> have lived there for the last 2000 years?
>> If they did live there why denn did the imigrate there.
>
>Why did you emigrate to Canada?

My parents took me along. What the hell do you think?



> It's not your homeland.
>
>
>> Kurt Knoll.
>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> Up until 1880
>>>> there were next to no Jews in Palestine.
>>>
>>>
>>> Which means, and thank you for proving this, that up until there were 
>in
>>> fact Jews living there.
>>>
>>> Let us know where all of them
>>>> came from. Is it not the coal of Israel to drive the Palestinians of
>>>> their homeland.
>>>
>>> It's not the palis homeland, you've proved that Jews have been there 
>for
>>> 2000 years
>>>
>>>
>>> Is America proud to supply all the killing machines to
>>>> Israel. Kurt Knoll.
>>>
>>>
>>> Are you proud of the little pali boys that strap on explosives and blow 
>up
>>> school busses?
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Eugene Holman"  wrote in message
>>>> news:holman-0301090904080001@ke-hupnet233-25.hupnet.helsinki.fi...
>>>>> In article <0aitl4tqk3k0ct2p9q3rt34s0hk6qjo4bk@4ax.com>,
>>>>> ebersdorf@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, 02 Jan 2009 22:28:02 +0200, holman@mappi.helsinki.fi (Eugene
>>>>>> Holman) wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >In article ,
>>>>>> >ebersdorf@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Why even bother to transport them in the first place? The stories
>>>>>> >> simply make no sense.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >Hams Scholl of *die weiße Rose* was a student of medicine in his
>>>>>> >eighth semester who had served the Reich treating wounded and dying
>>>>>> >soldiers in France as well as on the Eastern Front. The Reich had
>>>>>> >obviously invested a
>>>>>> >considerable amount in him, and he had begun to pay dividends on 
>this
>>>>>> >investment. Nevertheless, instead of sentencing him to be a 
>physician
>>>>>> >in a
>>>>>> >concentration camp or some other facility where the investment the
>>>>>> >Reich had mad in him could be recovered, he was sentneced to death
>>>>>> >for being involved in the opposition to the Hitler regime and
>>>>>> >beheaded, along with his sister and a fellow medical student,
>>>>>> >Christoph Probst, the same afternoon.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >Does that make sense?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What happened to the political opponents of Stalin?
>>>>>
>>>>> They were typically sent off to the gulag to work as slave labor, 
>many
>>>>> of them eventually dying of overwork and abuse. But we are not 
>talking
>>>>> about Stalin, who had enough manpower and allies to sustain more than
>>>>> 25,000,000 deaths and still crush Nazi Germany. Nazi Germany was
>>>>> notoriously short of manpower, resources, and allies of substance 
>right
>>>>> from the beginning. Its only chance of winning the war would have 
>been
>>>>> for the USSR to be as successfully blitzed as Poland was, during the
>>>>> roughly eight weeks between June 22 and mid-August, when north-
>western
>>>>> Russia has the first night frosts.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Why do you find this type of thing surprising? It tends to be the
>>>>>> nature of a
>>>>>> dictatorship.
>>>>>
>>>>> I find it surprising that Nazi Germany would simply kill off people 
>in
>>>>> whom it had made such an investment. But then again, it is consistent
>>>>> with their practice elsewhere and is one of the main reasons that 
>they
>>>>> lost the war. Their strategy was to move into a place and complain 
>that
>>>>> the Jews dominated professions such as medicine and dentistry. They
>>>>> passed laws forbidding these people from practicing on anyone but 
>Jews
>>>>> , eventually rounding up these Jewish physicians and dentists, and
>>>>> killing them, hence producing a severe shortage of physicians and
>>>>> dentists. Killing off non-Jews in the last stage of qualifying to 
>fill
>>>>> these vacant positions just because of their political beliefs makes
>>>>> absolutely no sense and is stupider than stupid.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Egene Holman
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> 
>> 
>> 


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On Sat, 3 Jan 2009 21:37:04 +0000 (UTC), "I'll Always Be 03/01/09"
 wrote:

>Johannes von Ebersdorf  wrote in 
>news:oudvl4h0duhdg61k3lgfo4cfoccu1onnhj@4ax.com:
>
>> On Sat, 3 Jan 2009 09:30:27 +0000 (UTC), "I'll Always Be 03/01/09"
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>>"Kurt Knoll"  wrote in
>>>news:rwE7l.1941$PH1.1259@edtnps82: 
>>>
>>>> Eugene are you proud of how the Jews want to exterminate the
>>>> Palestinians who have lived there for the last 2000 years.
>>>
>>>
>>>Are you proud of how the palestinians want to exterminate the Jews who 
>>>have lived there for the last 2000 years?
>>>
>>>
>>> Up until 1880
>>>> there were next to no Jews in Palestine.
>>>
>>>
>>>Which means, and thank you for proving this, that up until then there 
>>>were in fact Jews living there.

Nobody is disputing that some Jews lived in Palestine.

>> 
>> Yes, there were indeed a FEW Jews living in Palestine in 1850, but no
>> Russians or Poles, the contingent that makes up the bulk of today's
>> Israeli population.
>
>
>Once again, thank you for admitting that Jews have always lived in 
>palestine.
>
>
>> 
>>>
>>> Let us know where all of them
>>>> came from. Is it not the coal of Israel to drive the Palestinians of
>>>> their homeland.
>>>
>>>It's not the palis homeland, you've proved that Jews have been there for 
>>>2000 years
>>>
>>>
>>> Is America proud to supply all the killing machines to
>>>> Israel. Kurt Knoll.
>>>
>>>
>>>Are you proud of the little pali boys that strap on explosives and blow 
>up 
>>>school busses?
>>>
>>>
>>>> 
>>>> "Eugene Holman"  wrote in message 
>>>> news:holman-0301090904080001@ke-hupnet233-25.hupnet.helsinki.fi...
>>>>> In article <0aitl4tqk3k0ct2p9q3rt34s0hk6qjo4bk@4ax.com>,
>>>>> ebersdorf@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, 02 Jan 2009 22:28:02 +0200, holman@mappi.helsinki.fi (Eugene
>>>>>> Holman) wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >In article ,
>>>>>> >ebersdorf@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Why even bother to transport them in the first place? The stories
>>>>>> >> simply make no sense.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >Hams Scholl of *die weiße Rose* was a student of medicine in his
>>>>>> >eighth semester who had served the Reich treating wounded and dying
>>>>>> >soldiers in France as well as on the Eastern Front. The Reich had
>>>>>> >obviously invested a
>>>>>> >considerable amount in him, and he had begun to pay dividends on 
>this
>>>>>> >investment. Nevertheless, instead of sentencing him to be a 
>physician
>>>>>> >in a
>>>>>> >concentration camp or some other facility where the investment the
>>>>>> >Reich had mad in him could be recovered, he was sentneced to death
>>>>>> >for being involved in the opposition to the Hitler regime and
>>>>>> >beheaded, along with his sister and a fellow medical student,
>>>>>> >Christoph Probst, the same afternoon.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >Does that make sense?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What happened to the political opponents of Stalin?
>>>>>
>>>>> They were typically sent off to the gulag to work as slave labor, 
>many
>>>>> of them eventually dying of overwork and abuse. But we are not 
>talking
>>>>> about Stalin, who had enough manpower and allies to sustain more than
>>>>> 25,000,000 deaths and still crush Nazi Germany. Nazi Germany was
>>>>> notoriously short of manpower, resources, and allies of substance 
>right
>>>>> from the beginning. Its only chance of winning the war would have 
>been
>>>>> for the USSR to be as successfully blitzed as Poland was, during the
>>>>> roughly eight weeks between June 22 and mid-August, when north-
>western
>>>>> Russia has the first night frosts.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Why do you find this type of thing surprising? It tends to be the
>>>>>> nature of a
>>>>>> dictatorship.
>>>>>
>>>>> I find it surprising that Nazi Germany would simply kill off people 
>in
>>>>> whom it had made such an investment. But then again, it is consistent
>>>>> with their practice elsewhere and is one of the main reasons that 
>they
>>>>> lost the war. Their strategy was to move into a place and complain 
>that
>>>>> the Jews dominated professions such as medicine and dentistry. They
>>>>> passed laws forbidding these people from practicing on anyone but 
>Jews
>>>>> , eventually rounding up these Jewish physicians and dentists, and
>>>>> killing them, hence producing a severe shortage of physicians and
>>>>> dentists. Killing off non-Jews in the last stage of qualifying to 
>fill
>>>>> these vacant positions just because of their political beliefs makes
>>>>> absolutely no sense and is stupider than stupid.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Egene Holman 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>> 


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On Sat, 3 Jan 2009 21:35:13 +0000 (UTC), "I'll Always Be 03/01/09"
 wrote:

>Johannes von Ebersdorf  wrote in
>news:l1ivl4dgioe584elllmrd33rudav8ghjf4@4ax.com: 
>
>> On Sat, 3 Jan 2009 14:40:35 -0500, "Patrick Keenan" 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>>"Kurt Knoll"  wrote in message 
>>>news:jSN7l.1233$Db2.706@edtnps83...
>>>>
>>>> "Eugene Holman"  wrote in message 
>>>> news:holman-0301091602030001@ke-hupnet233-25.hupnet.helsinki.fi...
>>>>> In article , "Kurt Knoll"
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Eugene are you proud of how the Jews want to exterminate the 
>>>>>> Palestinians
>>>>>> who have lived there for the last 2000 years.
>>>>>
>>>>> Kurt, you are changing the subject.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Up until 1880 there were next
>>>>>> to no Jews in Palestine. Let us know where all of them came from. Is
>>>>>> it not
>>>>>> the coal of Israel to drive the Palestinians of their homeland. Is 
>>>>>> America
>>>>>> proud to supply all the killing machines to Israel.
>>>>> 
>>>>>
>>>>> There has always been some type of Jewish presence in the region,
>>>>> Jerusalem being what it is.  I am on record here as having said that,
>>>>> for the most part, I disapprove of Israeli policy towards the
>>>>> Palestinians. Israel does, howver, have the right to defend itself.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Eugene Holman
>>>>
>>>> Look at it this way, the Palestinians have lived there for the last
>>>> 2000 years
>>>
>>>So did Jews.
>>>
>>>But it was never "Palestinian" land; it was Roman or Ottoman.
>> 
>> No, they were just some more conquistadors who came and went over the
>> centuries. What they stole wasn't theirs. They just exercised the
>> totally bankrupt "might is right" philosophy.
>
>
>Oh, you mean the german concept of "lebensraum"?

That is an allied fabrication. I'm slowly getting annoyed with your
stupid rudeness with the grammatical errors in English. National
descriptions, such as German are capitalized in English. The fact that
you deliberately neglect that convention when discussing Germany
suggests to me that you are an ignorant bigot and jackass with whom it
just isn't worth the bother to have a conversation.

At this point, you go into a filter that marks your stuff as read
before I see it. I really don't need to see your nonsense and your
insults.

>
>
>> 
>>>
>>>> and the Jews are returning after 2000 years. Who gives them right to
>>>> drive the Palestinian their homeland.
>>>
>>>Kurt, the Palestinians could have had a state in 1948.   Everything was
>>>in place, but their Arab "brethren", for political reasons, refused to
>>>allow them to have it.
>>>
>>>There's a good argument that the Arab states have more responsibility
>>>for the tragedy of the Palestinians than anyone else.
>>>
>>>-pk
>>>
>>>> Kurt Knoll.
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>
>> 


From ebersdorf@gmail.com Tue Jan  6 20:32:58 EST 2009
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On Sat, 3 Jan 2009 20:20:17 +0000 (UTC), someone-who-knows
 wrote:

>In article ,
>Johannes von Ebersdorf   wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 17:21:55 +0000 (UTC), someone-who-knows
>>  wrote:
>
>>> But Israel left both South Lebanon and Gaza.
>
>> Yes, but not willingly in the case of Lebanon and the departure from
>> Gaza was a deceptive farce.
>
>Irrelevant crap.  Israel left these locations,  and they continued
>to viciously attack Israel.  Whatever calamity falls upon their heads,
>they have only themselves to blame.  Much like the Nazis.

Give it a fucking rest. Most of the world just isn't buying into your
lies and distortions anymore. There just isn't that much difference
between you and the Nazis you love to bash so much.


From ebersdorf@gmail.com Tue Jan  6 20:32:58 EST 2009
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From: Johannes von Ebersdorf 
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Subject: Re: Gassings in Auschwitz-Birkenau. Where was the actual big activity on 25th August 1944?
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On Sat, 3 Jan 2009 20:07:30 +0000 (UTC), a-little-sanity,  please
 wrote:

>In article , Zulu   wrote:
>
>> a-little-sanity escribió:
>
>>> Let's start with the 430,000 Hungarian Jews deported to Auschwitz
>>> in the summer of 1944.  Since entire populations were deported,
>>> about 100,000 of them were children.  How many Jewish children were
>>> released from Nazi concentration camps?
>
>> LOL.
>> See on those aerial photos how much *busy" was that "killing zone*
>
>http://www.guardian.co.uk/artanddesign/2004/jan/17/photography.highereducation
>
>Now,  tell us what happened to these 430,000 Hungarian Jews.  But
>no speculations.  Hard facts only.

Only enough, a prosecution in Germany failed because the pits could
not be located, and American photographs taken during the time showed
nothing.

A "photograph" that surfaces 60 years after the fact is pretty
suspicious, especially given that all manner of wonderful illusions
are possible today with computer software.

The air photograph shown could be anything at all, and the only
"evidence" is the caption that claims that it is an aerial photograph
of Auschwitz. There have been thousands of photgraphs that have been
misrepresented using false captions. I'm not impressed.


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On Sun, 04 Jan 2009 14:05:23 +0200, holman@mappi.helsinki.fi (Eugene
Holman) wrote:

>In article <1jsvl4dkhlairhvs3dfgbcf84kcnfa38o0@4ax.com>,
>ebersdorf@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 3 Jan 2009 21:35:13 +0000 (UTC), "I'll Always Be 03/01/09"
>>  wrote:
>
>
>
>> >Oh, you mean the german concept of "lebensraum"?
>> 
>> That is an allied fabrication. 
>
>How so?
>
>Hitler started to expand the Reich with the Anschluß of Austria

Austria has been part of Germany since the ninth century. It has it
own resident population, so the concept of Lebensraum hardly applies.
Austria was a separate state because of Versailles.

>and the
>incorporation of the Sudetenland from Czechoslovakia in 1938.

The Sudetenland had an almost exclusively German population that
should never have been assigned to Czechoslovakia in the first place.
There were a hell of a lot more Germans in the farce known as
Czechoslovakia than there were Slovaks, but their name doesn't even
appear in the title. Czechoslovakia was an arbitrary and capricious
Versailles-state.

>He continued
>with the reduction of the Czech lands to a German  protectorate

The Slovaks wanted out from under the Czechs in 1938, and they finally
achieved their independence from the Czech louts in 1990.

>and the
>invasion of Poland in 1939 and the incorporation of some of its western
>parts into the Reich,

That was a stolen property recovery. The western portions of Poland
were areas stolen from Germany, and actually still are.

> the incorporation of Luxembourg and Alsace into the
>Reich in 1940,

Alsace was ripped off from Germany by Louis XIV. It has pretty much
exclusively German town names and a German population. Luxembourg was
not annexed, but occupied.

> and then, the ultimate project, the attack on the USSR on
>June 22, 1941, which produced at least the incorporation of the Baltic
>countries into the expanded Reich as Ostland, with Riga as its capital.

Riga started out life as a German trading post, and Latvia became part
of Russia in 1721. It was the treaty of Brest-Litovsk that created the
independent country known as Latvia as a result of Russia's 1917
defeat by Germany.

>Nazi policy in occupied Poland, the Baltic countries, Byelorussia, the
>Ukraine, and western Russia, populated, according to the Nazis by
>*Untermenchsen*, was exceptionally brutal and well documented by both
>victims and perp